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May 12

SAINT ETIENNE – “Popular”

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Huge weepy thanks to Bob, Pete and Sarah for immortalising us in song. And thanks to commenters past and present for making it worth immortalising.

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  1. 91
    Mark G on 6 Jun 2012 #

    No, but then again you might think one of the other number-ones were ‘objectively better’.. Anyways, next oop:

  2. 92
    Jimmy the Swede on 6 Jun 2012 #

    #89 – The Swede vote, not surprisingly, would go to… Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes!!

    At the very bottom would be the ridiculous schnitzel with noodles, simply because you don’t eat schnitzel with noodles, for heaven’s sake (well, certainly Austrians don’t). It’s another of your split infinitives..

  3. 93

    As I am sat at home waiting for a delivery of blue vinyl floor tiles, with plenty nothing better to do, I looked this up! Turns out that Germans and Austrians DO sometimes eat schnitzels with spätzle or spaetzle — which is indeed a kind of southern teutonic noodle (either as gnocchi or vermiform). There is much debate whether this practice predates the song however.

  4. 94
    Mark G on 6 Jun 2012 #

    What, they heard Julie Andrews and thought “that sounds like an idea worth trying” ? Naah…

  5. 95
    wichita lineman on 6 Jun 2012 #

    Re 92: I’ll second that, though if the choice had included chicken escalope with spaghetti (and bolognese sauce)* it might have won out. Schnitzel and noodles being an Austrian variation, I imagine.

    *Alpino on Chapel Market is the best/my favourite cafe for this winter warmer.

  6. 96
    Jimmy the Swede on 6 Jun 2012 #

    #93 – I am grateful to my Rt Hon friend. I certainly remember Oscar Hammerstein being mocked for this line by some haughty teutonic, who made the point I made, only in a much ruder tone. It is thus possible that Julie Andrews was responsible for the adoption of the black art of noshing noodles with schnitzel and that the Austrians and Bavarians have never forgiven her. Or perhaps the arrogant Oscar-baiter was simply talking shite.

  7. 97
    am i logged in or am i dancer on 6 Jun 2012 #

    Spatzle is crunchy deep fried noodles isn’t it? As such I have concluded that everything in Austria is deep fried apart from “buttery rolls” (as per all chalet school books).

    #95 the chicken escalope toasted sandwiches you can get at Cafe Uno on TCR are pretty darned great too, although apologies obv for sandwiches being OT.

  8. 98

    They don’t look very deep-fried in the google images I’ve found of jaeger schnitzel and spaetzle. In fact they look soggy.

  9. 99
    am i logged in or am i dancer on 6 Jun 2012 #

    The internet tells me that spatzle means “little sparrows” so stick THEM in your deep fryer and er tweet it.

  10. 100
    Jimmy the Swede on 6 Jun 2012 #

    I bloody love this site!

  11. 101

    To return to one of the many slightly less O/T discussions:

    A very well established British film monthly recently invited its critics and reviewers — as well as a large number of bigwigs across the industry — to participate in its newest ten-yearly poll of the “Ten Greatest Films of All Time”, a very long-running project. They are careful not to be dogmatic about the definition of “greatest” — as the guidelines put it:

    “As for what we mean by ‘Greatest’, we leave that open to your interpretation. You might choose the ten films you feel are most important to film history, or the ten that represent the aesthetic pinnacles of achievement, or indeed the ten films that have had the biggest impact on your own view of cinema.”

    That encourages contributors to cut across and perhaps distinguish three different qualities, I think: is this important? is this good? does this mean a lot to me? The first looks at something’s place in a broader history — the second at the way something handles the tasks it has set itself — and the third begins to approach (but is not quite the same as) a purely personal response. As a rubric, this — to me — hints at the idea that they would love people to be perverse, without saying so out loud. Because if the poll ends up crowning the same set of films as it did last time, that’s a bit boring (and hence counter-productive for the magazine).

    On the whole, I tend to think “historically important” delivers the least interesting polls, because voters will end up second-guessing a result very largely outside their input, with much-too-potent reversion to mean, and worrying about “standing the test of time” (zzzz) and “influence” (grrrr) and other dreary factors. But a poll that strongly emphasises “unexpected private pleasures” risks having a vast pool of hundreds entries with a single vote, and runaway winners with just four votes, or whatever. So I think the unclarity of definition — the fact that some vote to this convention, others to that, and so on — does actually make for more thought-provoking polls, precisely because the wrinkles sometimes create more unplanned run-off than monolithic affirmation.

    From a magazine editor PoV, the purpose is in the end to deliver interesting writing and reading in coming months, rather than to sum up all culture and switch off the lights. An element of trolling is essential: too much from too many people cancels itself out.

  12. 102
    Jimmy the Swede on 6 Jun 2012 #

    Well, it’s certainly no coincidence that “Citizen Kane” and “Bambi” were produced only a year apart. I keep forgetting which one Rosebud was in. It’s uncanny.

  13. 103
    thefatgit on 6 Jun 2012 #

    Is that the one where Walt Disney shot Orson Welles’s mother?

  14. 104

    It is the most important moment in cinema history.

  15. 105
    Alan not logged in on 6 Jun 2012 #

    until Hannibal Lecter ate Dougal’s daughter’s face

  16. 106
    punctum on 6 Jun 2012 #

    Bambi’s mother turns up at Xanadu at the end: “Don’t be too hard on the boy. He was most upset at my funeral.”

  17. 107
    Jimmy the Swede on 6 Jun 2012 #

    Surely the most important moment in cinema history is when Orson is hunting a terrified and trapped Bambi through the sewers of post-war Vienna. I wonder if the Austrians eat noodles with venison?

    #106 – Cobb, Arrival.

  18. 108
    swanstep on 6 Jun 2012 #

    @101. Roger Ebert wrote about his 5th time participating in the Sight and Sound poll you describe here, if you’re interested. He felt a lot of wholly internal pressure to have changed at one film in his top-10 list since the last poll. Perhaps private existential terrors aren’t so different from those felt by the Magazine Editor.

  19. 109
    punctum on 6 Jun 2012 #

    2001 a “stand-along monument”? Standing alongside what?

  20. 110
    Mark G on 7 Jun 2012 #

    2002

  21. 111
    swanstep on 14 Jun 2012 #

    The Guardian has a vid. of a live session with Sarah Cracknell and co (but not Bob or Pete) doing a very nice, new song (temp-named) Jan Leeming. Highly recommended.

  22. 112
    Erithian on 26 Jun 2012 #

    Some suitably sublime digressions here on the thread that celebrates the song that celebrates the website that celebrates … etc.

    Anyway, just in case anybody involved might ever read this, hearty congratulations on a hugely enjoyable evening with St Etts at the Palladium last night. Sarah clearly loved every moment of it, even (especially?) when fluffing the lyrics. Never been to a gig that seemed so much like a party – marvellous to be there. And “Popular”, complete with TOTP chart rundowns from ’75 and ’76 on the backdrop, was obviously the highspot.

    And yes, Mike TD, I got the teatowel too.

  23. 113
    Pete on 26 Jun 2012 #

    So annoyed I couldn’t make it for the supremely rock’n’roll reason of a School Governors meeting.

  24. 114
    Erithian on 26 Jun 2012 #

    (left hand) The chance to hear YOUR NAME in a song performed on the stage of the London Palladium; (right hand) what to do next time Ofsted come calling. Couldn’t you have phoned in sick?

  25. 115
    Jimmy the Swede on 27 Jun 2012 #

    Tomorrow’s our day at Wimbledon. We’ve got tickets for Court One and the weather forecast is not good. Whilst Cliff will be breaking into song from the Royal Box on Centre as they roll the roof on, do you suppose St Etts might be persuaded into entertaining the folk over the border until the rain stops, since we ain’t got a roof?

  26. 116
    Pete Baran on 28 Jun 2012 #

    I was subbing for the chair who has cancer. His sicknote trumped mine.

  27. 117
    Erithian on 28 Jun 2012 #

    Sorry to hear that Pete – best wishes to him.

  28. 118
    Jimmy the Swede on 2 Jul 2012 #

    The Swede had a great day at the tennis last Thursday. Whilst waiting for madam outside the loo under the big screen (Henman Hill), an oldish fellow in a club blazer approached. I leapt up immediately and offered my hand, which he took. I mumbled something about him being one of the great ones and he graciously thanked me before going on his way.

    It was John Newcombe.

  29. 119
    Ed on 6 Jul 2012 #

    @101 An excellent answer to the “what is the greatest?” problem: http://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/video-sight-sound-film-poll-ignatiy-vishnevetsky-on-how-to-make-a-random-top-ten-list#.T_Z0QnkXiSo

  30. 120
    El boludo on 6 Jul 2012 #

    I’ve been meaning to say, this lot were fvcking great at Primavera in Porto last month. It had been a miserable saturday up to that point due to huge downpours (I go to european festivals to get away from these wretched conditions ffs!), and they really turned it around & made everyone forget the weather & start having fun again.

    The new songs sounded great, too. Cheers guys!

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