Comments on: MOANING BECOMES ENIGMA: softcore gothick fusion in the age of the tight-looped breakbeat https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat Lollards in the high church of low culture Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:34:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: punctum https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-2049925 Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:34:09 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-2049925 My VERY belated response to all of this: http://nobilliards.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/enigma-mcmxc-ad.html

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By: mark sinker https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-1921245 Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:03:26 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-1921245 Events on facebook require me to conclude that PRIMAL SCREAM’s Psychedelica (and much subsequent output) falls into this exact same territory.

ps the afrofuturism volume mentioned at the end *still* doesn’t have a publication date — it is now seven years overdue :(

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By: xyzzzz__ https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-855580 Sat, 04 Jun 2011 18:12:14 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-855580 Just wanted to record that two weeks after reading this piece I heard someone playing this quite loud on the tube.

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By: Milos https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-814172 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 23:11:20 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-814172 Best Concept albums for me are:

Savatage: Handfull of rain
Queensryche: Operation: Mindcrime

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By: Mark M https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812931 Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:07:32 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812931 Re: 7 – I suspect I may never have actually heard it, although I was aware of it. As far as I was concerned, the KLF were a pop act with an entertaining (playful) conceptual edge rather than an art-rock project.

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By: mark sinker https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812921 Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:41:34 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812921 Oops yikes yes — think I must have misread something somewhere re Tub Bell 2 and not gone back and checked! If anything this emphasises the scale of Cretu’s leap from nowhere though…

Johan Lif on FB wonders if the bogus panpipes are a smapled shakuhachi, which was apparently a “common preset synth sound (nr 78 in the General Midi soundbank!)”

And Michael Daddino on twitter reminded me of Madonna’s astonishing “The Beast Within” remix

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By: punctum https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812905 Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:03:55 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812905 Tubular Bells II didn’t come out until ’92 and the co-producers were Trevor Horn and the aforementioned Tom Newman.

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By: Rory https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812901 Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:45:04 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812901 Small correction: “co-production work on Mike Oldfield’s Tubular Bells II” – not actually (the one who could lay claim to co-producer there was Tom Newman) – the Oldfield track that Cretu co-produced was “The Time Has Come”, from 1987’s Islands.

@3 How did you respond to the KLF’s Chill Out?

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By: mark sinker https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812882 Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:59:41 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812882 update: i rewrote the problem paragraph and made some other small corrections and clarifications — no actual ideas changed!

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By: Mark M https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812836 Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:46:51 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812836 And re: 4. connecting obliquely back to Lord S’s excellent article itself, Sentance’s own band is called Revelation.

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By: Mark M https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812577 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:37:14 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812577 Come 2011, of course and we were going to get this.

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By: Mark M https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812575 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:32:40 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812575 I took every opportunity in 1991/2 to rail against the prog revival that seem to be marching on several fronts – infiltrationist moves via the chill-out thing and more openly with rock bands like Levitation. The Orb were the arch-villains as far as I was concerned. We interviewed Kevin Shields at about 1am after an MBV gig in Bradford and expounded the 1991 = 1971 theory at unnecessary length, to which his response amounted to ‘yeah, probably, but so?’ Which was essentially what everyone else thought, too.

My instinctive position remains that prog is a crime against nature*, but growing up is about choosing the very few battles worth fighting, and this certainly isn’t one of them.

I loved the KLF, mind.

*Every now and then I listen to Stuart Maconie or Guy Garvey on 6 Music to check this is still the case – it is.

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By: punctum https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812494 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:14:47 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812494 There’s an episode of Hancock’s Half Hour where Hancock and Sid are flying in a ‘plane over some countryside, and Hancock was supposed to say that the latter was “laid out like a patchwork quilt” but somehow it came out (since it was broadcast live) as “laid out like a porcelain chart.” Nobody had any idea what it meant but it sounded better and stayed in the edit.

So basically this is about the gulf, or absence of gulf, between patchwork quilts and porcelain charts.

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By: mark sinker https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2011/03/moaning-becomes-enigma-softcore-gothick-fusion-in-the-age-of-the-tight-looped-breakbeat/comment-page-1#comment-812469 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:08:58 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=20821#comment-812469 (hmmm, there’s a paragraph that rather urgently needs rewriting: no time today though)

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