Comments on: Confused by cerveza? https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza Lollards in the high church of low culture Mon, 07 Aug 2023 20:37:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Marcus https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-1899774 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:32:58 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-1899774 Langue d’Oc is known as Occitan and is still spoken in parts of Southern France. It’s closely related to Catalan rather than Langue d’Oi and modern French.

Before the Roman invasion most of the Iberian peninsula was dominated by local Celtic tribes (Celtiberia), so the Spanish word for Beer may originate directly from Celtic languages, rather than being imported via Latin.

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By: Izzy https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-1636530 Thu, 27 Aug 2015 19:34:26 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-1636530 This lovely ale-coloured illustration appeared on reddit only a few days ago: http://i.imgur.com/csT2Crt.png

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By: Hera https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-1635850 Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:29:36 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-1635850 Scandinavia = Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Nothing else. Countries like Finland and Iceland are included in the Nordic countries. Lithuania, Latvia, Serbia and Croatia have no place on a list of Scandinavian languages.

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By: Drama Recaps: One Pound Gospel episode 5 « Néojyanisme https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-538151 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:35:13 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-538151 […] is, er, ‘choco’, fair enough. Is ‘chocolate’ the same in every language? Alix did a great linguistic analysis on the words for ‘beer’ once, concerning the complete seeming lack of … – but I can’t think of any language where the word for chocolate is considerably different. […]

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By: Debs https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-435149 Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:28:49 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-435149 I too was gripped by this quirky history of language and would also like to know if anyone has any recommendations for pieces similar to this?

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By: Richard Durkan https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-403464 Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:56:52 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-403464 I was fascinated by Aliz’s piece on beer. Is there anywhere else I can read about more roots linked and explained like this?

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By: Tracer Hand https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-324530 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:51:24 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-324530 “Langue d’oc” still exists in some places in the south of France!

Although it is just called “d’oc” now. It apparently sounds very strange.

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By: Pete https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323845 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:03:56 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323845 I NEVER SAID IT WAS FROM THE BASQUE! I got the basics of the above from the Pete Brown book infact (Three Sheets To The Wind). Barely any Spanish words come from Basque, for obvious reasons.

(Unless the Pete you refer to is Pete Brown).

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By: CarsmileSteve https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323727 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:30:23 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323727 also pete clearly wrong about it deriving from basque if they use “garagardoa” then (although we can check this out in a few weeks, guess we’ll get away with asking for cerveza though)

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By: CarsmileSteve https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323722 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:10:23 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323722 see, now i’m really glad i asked you about this :)

i’m sure pete brown could get a whole book out of this…

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By: Alix https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323597 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:37:31 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323597 http://www.geocities.com/mosvends/beer.html

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By: Pete https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323566 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:53:24 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323566 Veitnamese for Beer is Bia!

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By: Alix https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323546 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:58:33 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323546 I am quite intrigued now by the history of beer drinking/ production, as the etymol is entwined with the development of this. I haven’t gone into as much detail as I wanted, mainly because I don’t know much about it! It does seem like an instance of the world shaping language rather than vice versa; beer traditions (or lack of) in various countries seems to be key in working out why particular words were favoured. It’d be bloody hard though to untangle it all, I suspect.

Beer production for tourist markets is an interesting area – I would be interested to find out more, I would imagine it would be a case of either words deriving from modern English, due to the Empire and all that, or perhaps much more ancient PIE and Sanskrit influence on South Asian words. Who knows?

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By: Pete https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323527 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:07:33 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323527 I concur that this anomoly in the French and Italian words comes from there not being much of a tradition of social beer brewing or drinking in those cultures. Not just due to the strength of wine production, but I am sure that has a hand in it. I’d be interested to know what the peasant drinks were from C10th to C19th. Your theory about production methods would then hold, as lack of demand would make the extant name go out of fashion. Particularly if beer was being brewed for a social mobile or tourist market (look at the names for beer in South East Asia for example).

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By: Kat https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323521 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:40:05 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323521 Hooray! Awesome stuff. Welsh fans may also be interested to know that when ‘cwrw’ is used with a preposition it mutates to ‘gwrw’, e.g. ‘Dau peint o gwrw ac baced crisps, plis’.

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By: Alix https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323509 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:22:35 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323509 I really wanted to get something about everything being PIE into it.

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By: mark sinker https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/comment-page-1#comment-323497 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:05:50 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/essays/2007/10/confused-by-cerveza/#comment-323497 PIE

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