Comments on: This is no modern romance https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance Lollards in the high church of low culture Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:53:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Tony Keen https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1312523 Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:53:13 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1312523 I think this is a movie that is explicitly not about romance, or at least, not about romance as Hollywood usually presents it. It is a movie that says that the male lead and female lead can be good friends, can trust each other with their lives, but have no desire to be lovers, even when one of them looks like Chris Evans and the other looks like Scarlett Johansson. It’s a movie where two men can be close friends, can trust each other with their lives, but no-one calls it a ‘bromance’. It’s a movie where two men can once have been incredibly close, but it’s still not a bromance. For Hollywood of 2014, that’s refreshing.

Of course, that’s not what others are seeing in the relationships, and that’s fine. The text is what it is, and what you take from the text is your own. This is just what I take.

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By: This is no modern romance | FlipsPops https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1312192 Fri, 28 Mar 2014 18:20:00 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1312192 […] there isn’t a romance in this film; that’s bollocks. As per the title of this; there’s no modern romance but my god there is quite a scene in the 1940s. And for all the central trio of the film being a unit on a solo billing, there is that one Read full article […]

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By: Hazel https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1312002 Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:37:16 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1312002 God, I’d forgotten that line. This really was so explicitly set up, if one of them was a woman but absolutely nothing else changed, I don’t think anyone would come out thinking that wasn’t the love interest. To be honest, I’m hard-pressed to see how anyone could with them as they are.

(Which brings up the awesome AUs people were doing where Peggy becomes the Winter Soldier instead of Bucky)

Despite what I said in the piece, I don’t think I’ve got my slash goggles on about this- partly cus I don’t have very much interest in m/m slash in general and partly because when I am looking for the hot boning fanfic about this film it would always be Steve/Natasha.

(I’ve always been a Sam/Steve shipper, anyway, inasmuch as I’ve thought about it at all – Steve/Bucky is much less of a thing in the comics, they have more of Sam and Steve’s comfortable bond from the film)

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By: Manuela https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311951 Fri, 28 Mar 2014 05:48:20 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311951 Oh, thank you, I thought it was just me.
I saw the italian dubbed version, so I don’t know if they took some liberties with the dialogue, but at some point, I think it was in the car scene with Natasha, they had Steve say something along the lines of “it’s difficult to find a woman with the same life experiences”. I died a little bit.

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By: Liz https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311690 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:44:14 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311690 Yeah, there was a Radio Times online poll to vote for something to be on Steve’s catch-up list in the UK (I know this because I voted for Father Ted A LOT, but sadly no luck).

Anyway, YES drawing big hearts around this. I’ve seen some insta-reactions that Falcon is the love interest here, and if I squint I can see that, it’s a great and almost instant bond between them – but it’s not the big epic soul-destroying romance. It’s a film about team and we see Bucky has been Team Steve right from the start and their mission is each other, and he’d let him kill him rather than leave him on the helicarrier (just like Bucky would rather die in a burning building than leave Steve in the first film). I don’t think it’s just your slash goggles talking, although I’ll be interested what the less hardcore fans I know think about it, but there’s so much more pointing in the relationship direction for this relationship than for any of the other Marvel universe relationships that fanfic picks out. Science bros wish for this kind of canon.

Do I think they’re gonna go there in Cap 3? No. I think we got the setup for Crossbones and Agent 13 to set themselves up for the Death of Captain America arc, and I hope hope hope we get more Bucky in Cap 3 – but I don’t think they’re ever going to make it explicit romance.

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By: charlotte https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311668 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:13:37 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311668 that’s… kind of amazing. but also quite weird.

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By: Rachel https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311658 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:48:23 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311658 ACTUALLY that list linked in the comments isn’t the list that’s in the UK version of the film. That list is the USA list. The UK list has the 1966 World Cup in it. I think like… everywhere got their own list. Which is kind of adorable.

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By: Abigail Brady https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311624 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:40:47 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311624 As I was saying last night, suddenly my “Agents of Shit” sobriquet becomes a bit more than a joke.

I wonder if we’ll get H.A.M.M.E.R.

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By: Tamaranth https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311600 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:59:44 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311600 I am now intrigued as to how AoS is going to handle the fallout. And how Coulson is going to handle what Fury has done. (Or, y’know, not done.)

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By: charlotte https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311593 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:46:04 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311593 i just. i wasn’t expecting this. i mean i love bucky and i love the whole winter soldier idea and i was looking foward to whatever they deigned to give us… but. it’s a love story. and i’m really moved by it and upset by it and so glad that we got it. aagghh!!

the scene where he falls and just… gives in. doesn’t fight anymore. that was it, that was his fight. oh my god.

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By: Hazel https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311585 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:36:05 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311585 YES YES YES this so much. Your second paragraph, one million times.

And when he falls and it’s trust or despair or both. I cannot. I cannot.

(Of course the other spurting arteries of the film are Natasha/SHIELD which is a whole other billion words of meta)

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By: charlotte https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311581 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:33:03 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311581 YES the whole film was like, steve being told not to trust anyone and having to work out precisely who he could trust, and with what, and they win because they worked it out and played the game.

and then his final big fight scene with bucky where he just refuses to fight because… if he can’t trust and love this one person, what’s the rest of it for? what’s it worth if you constantly have to calculate, and allow the person you have known and loved longer than anyone to be turned against you, and you allow the same to be done to you? if you decide that he isn’t the kind of person you save.

THAT was the big emotional bloody heart of the film – steve just letting bucky punch him because he’s either going to be able to trust him not to kill him, to love him enough despite everything, or what was it all for?

THIS PROBABLY DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE BUT WAAAHHH

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By: Tamaranth https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311580 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:30:09 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311580 Now that last I can help with!
http://bitcast-a.v1.lhr1.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/Captain-America-to-do-list.jpg

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By: Hazel https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311573 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:20:15 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311573 OHHHHHHHHHHHH oh my god.

Also very urgent and necessary: a screenshot of Steve’s list.

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By: Tamaranth https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311571 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:19:19 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311571 ??? IT WASN’T JUST ME ???
also, I really want a screenshot of the targetting thingy, b/c I think someone’s moved back to New York.

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By: Hazel https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311567 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:14:56 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311567 The necklace was such a lovely touch! Really super subtle but there- and even the meaning of that is ambiguous in a way that pleases me and which in NO SORT OF WAY resembles Steve and Bucky’s epic lovelorn sadness.

Black Widow was SO good in this. SO GOOD. She absolutely deserved it being Captain America and Black Widow: The Winter Soldier. And my god, what a find in Anthony Mackie.

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By: Tamaranth https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311564 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:10:50 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311564 NB In case there was any doubt, I am wholly in agreement re the Key Relationship of this film.

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By: Tamaranth https://freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2014/03/this-is-no-modern-romance/comment-page-1#comment-1311563 Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:10:07 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=26584#comment-1311563 One of the things I most liked about this film was that none of the women were Lurve Objects. Instead, they were highly competent and integral to the plot. (That shouldn’t have to be an ‘instead’, but it so often is.) I loved that Natasha and Steve *didn’t* get together. (And I loved Natasha’s necklace. Please tell me I’m not the only one who noticed the necklace! … damn, can’t find a still that shows it.)

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