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	<title>Comments on: ROGER MILLER - &#8220;King Of The Road&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-333222</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still say it sounds like a Morecambe and Wise song.</description>
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		<title>By: jeff w</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-333214</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This got an airing by Radcliffe and Maconie* on R2 earlier this week (or was it last week?).  If it wasn't for this thread I probably wouldn't have paid much attention to the song.  On reflection, I think I'm with Tom on this one.

*who also pointed out that Miller was the voice of Allan-a-Dale in the Disney animated &lt;i&gt;Robin Hood&lt;/i&gt;, a movie with which I was mildly obsessed as a nipper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This got an airing by Radcliffe and Maconie* on R2 earlier this week (or was it last week?).  If it wasn&#8217;t for this thread I probably wouldn&#8217;t have paid much attention to the song.  On reflection, I think I&#8217;m with Tom on this one.</p>
<p>*who also pointed out that Miller was the voice of Allan-a-Dale in the Disney animated <i>Robin Hood</i>, a movie with which I was mildly obsessed as a nipper.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-224361</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would any self-respecting hobo ride in a boxcar to Bangor, Maine? This boy's a fool.</description>
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		<title>By: pcwag</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-121746</link>
		<dc:creator>pcwag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always make "Dang me" the encore.</description>
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		<title>By: Doctor Casino</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-65231</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Casino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....wow, this is a HELL of a comment thread, I've never encountered one so fierce on this blog before.

I love "King of the Road."  It's not my favorite Roger Miller recording, but it's one of his best compositions, and it definitely feels natural that this be his biggest hit.  Like many, many texts about hobos, it appeals to people who in real life have little actual fondness for the unhoused.  It's certainly a dated trope - Miller's proud rambler somewhere along the way turned into Oasis's caricature ("sniffin' in a tissue, sellin' the Big Issue") and society's elephant in the room.  I wonder if part of "King of the Road"'s success can be traced to its ambiguity - if you're convinced the hobo is a noble wandering philosopher (we're a few short years from &lt;i&gt;Easy Rider&lt;/i&gt;), the material is certainly there to support it - but you could also probably dig on this if you were inclined to think of him as a seedy, unwanted tramp: he's breaking and entering while puffing on a gross discarded cigar, and you can take the lyric as Miller making fun of this stereotypical creep who is telling himself he's got it made.  Obviously the slant is towards the former reading and you'd be hard-pressed to miss it, but I think it's at least sort of open-ended.

(Compare to the more direct statement - in a very different context - from Dylan: "...where people carried signs around saying 'Ban the Bums' /  I jumped right in line, said I hope that I'm not late / When I realized I hadn't eaten for five days straight.")

A girl I once dated could never get her head around "Don't pay no union dues."   "Why does he say that?"  Well, because he's the sort of grinning fellow who sees a bright side in the fact that he's unemployed.  "What's so bad about paying union dues?"  etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.wow, this is a HELL of a comment thread, I&#8217;ve never encountered one so fierce on this blog before.</p>
<p>I love &#8220;King of the Road.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not my favorite Roger Miller recording, but it&#8217;s one of his best compositions, and it definitely feels natural that this be his biggest hit.  Like many, many texts about hobos, it appeals to people who in real life have little actual fondness for the unhoused.  It&#8217;s certainly a dated trope - Miller&#8217;s proud rambler somewhere along the way turned into Oasis&#8217;s caricature (&#8221;sniffin&#8217; in a tissue, sellin&#8217; the Big Issue&#8221;) and society&#8217;s elephant in the room.  I wonder if part of &#8220;King of the Road&#8221;&#8217;s success can be traced to its ambiguity - if you&#8217;re convinced the hobo is a noble wandering philosopher (we&#8217;re a few short years from <i>Easy Rider</i>), the material is certainly there to support it - but you could also probably dig on this if you were inclined to think of him as a seedy, unwanted tramp: he&#8217;s breaking and entering while puffing on a gross discarded cigar, and you can take the lyric as Miller making fun of this stereotypical creep who is telling himself he&#8217;s got it made.  Obviously the slant is towards the former reading and you&#8217;d be hard-pressed to miss it, but I think it&#8217;s at least sort of open-ended.</p>
<p>(Compare to the more direct statement - in a very different context - from Dylan: &#8220;&#8230;where people carried signs around saying &#8216;Ban the Bums&#8217; /  I jumped right in line, said I hope that I&#8217;m not late / When I realized I hadn&#8217;t eaten for five days straight.&#8221;)</p>
<p>A girl I once dated could never get her head around &#8220;Don&#8217;t pay no union dues.&#8221;   &#8220;Why does he say that?&#8221;  Well, because he&#8217;s the sort of grinning fellow who sees a bright side in the fact that he&#8217;s unemployed.  &#8220;What&#8217;s so bad about paying union dues?&#8221;  etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-21083</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Roger Miller is the only contemporary country performer to cultivate a large rock audience as well.... He mixes rural earthiness with urbane whimsy and comes up with a cogent blend of Hank Williams and Ogden Nash.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;--Richard Goldstein, &lt;I&gt;The Poetry of Rock&lt;/I&gt; p. 96</description>
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		<title>By: Pete (Not the usual Pete (ed - Pete))</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete (Not the usual Pete (ed - Pete))</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2005 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, R.E.M.'s version is magnificent. And, IMHO, it's a good song, so what if it ain't the Stones?</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Connor</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-21081</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Resurrection Watch&lt;/B&gt;: &lt;I&gt;Swingers&lt;/I&gt;, a film I hate more the more I think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Resurrection Watch</b>: <i>Swingers</i>, a film I hate more the more I think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lena</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-21080</link>
		<dc:creator>Lena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, all these posts and no one has mentioned R.E.M.'s rather late night and drunken take on it...as for the Rolling Stones, I cannot imagine any of them rollerskating &lt;I&gt;anywhere&lt;/I&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, all these posts and no one has mentioned R.E.M.&#8217;s rather late night and drunken take on it&#8230;as for the Rolling Stones, I cannot imagine any of them rollerskating <i>anywhere</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-21079</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;he does not understand the very American impulse to hit the road, to start over, to drop one kind of life for another.... This song is about many things but the Rolling Stones is not one of them; neither are the Proclaimers nor amphetamines. What it is about is the grimy glamo(u)r of living on one's own terms, ready to drop everything in a heartbeat and move on, the mobility that guarantees freedom from all commitment and therefore heartbreak&lt;/I&gt;Matt, it seems as if some parts of your mind are not in communication with the others. Just what do you think the phrase "A rolling stone gathers no moss" &lt;I&gt;means&lt;/I&gt;? Cf. "Ruby Tuesday" - or "Heart of Stone," for that matter. Or "I'm free to choose who I see, any old time." Jeez!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, the Stones, being more thoughtful than Miller, portray such "freedom" as very problematic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even if there were no thematic connection between Stones and Miller, they're connecting by sharing the same pop chart at the same time (and are automatically connected on this blog when "King of the Road" &lt;B&gt;7&lt;/B&gt;, "The Last Time" &lt;B&gt;6&lt;/B&gt; come in near succession). Furthermore, back in the day, once the Stones hit, a "you're-either-with-'em-or against-'em" vibe was created. You can't understand 1965 if you don't understand this. Mick Jagger was one of the most hated men in the world. And therefore &lt;I&gt;everything&lt;/I&gt; on the charts was somewhat defined as either being similar to the Stones or dissimilar. You didn't have a choice. And, obviously, as Mark Sinker points out upthread, traces of this vibe remain 40 years later, hence Popular gets testy once the Stones show up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>he does not understand the very American impulse to hit the road, to start over, to drop one kind of life for another&#8230;. This song is about many things but the Rolling Stones is not one of them; neither are the Proclaimers nor amphetamines. What it is about is the grimy glamo(u)r of living on one&#8217;s own terms, ready to drop everything in a heartbeat and move on, the mobility that guarantees freedom from all commitment and therefore heartbreak</i>Matt, it seems as if some parts of your mind are not in communication with the others. Just what do you think the phrase &#8220;A rolling stone gathers no moss&#8221; <i>means</i>? Cf. &#8220;Ruby Tuesday&#8221; - or &#8220;Heart of Stone,&#8221; for that matter. Or &#8220;I&#8217;m free to choose who I see, any old time.&#8221; Jeez!</p>
<p>Of course, the Stones, being more thoughtful than Miller, portray such &#8220;freedom&#8221; as very problematic.</p>
<p>But even if there were no thematic connection between Stones and Miller, they&#8217;re connecting by sharing the same pop chart at the same time (and are automatically connected on this blog when &#8220;King of the Road&#8221; <b>7</b>, &#8220;The Last Time&#8221; <b>6</b> come in near succession). Furthermore, back in the day, once the Stones hit, a &#8220;you&#8217;re-either-with-&#8217;em-or against-&#8217;em&#8221; vibe was created. You can&#8217;t understand 1965 if you don&#8217;t understand this. Mick Jagger was one of the most hated men in the world. And therefore <i>everything</i> on the charts was somewhat defined as either being similar to the Stones or dissimilar. You didn&#8217;t have a choice. And, obviously, as Mark Sinker points out upthread, traces of this vibe remain 40 years later, hence Popular gets testy once the Stones show up.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-21078</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd also sympathize with Mod's and Marcello's irritation with me, should they feel any, for misspelling their monikers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also sympathize with Mod&#8217;s and Marcello&#8217;s irritation with me, should they feel any, for misspelling their monikers.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/02/roger-miller-king-of-the-road/#comment-21077</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2005 02:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subtexts tend to be felt more than thought about. That's why they're called "subtexts." They're there whether you want 'em or not, whether you think about them or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have no trouble sympathizing with Mardello's and D. Mod's antipathy, though I don't share it. Did spend a few hours last week trying to find what services there are in Denver for homeless teens. Not a lot (presumably fear of lawsuits is a big deterrent from helping the young and disenfranchised).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fingersnappin' and walkin' bass = hipster signifier (but one that's already out-of-date)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Text that no one but Don has noted: "every lock that ain't locked when no one's around."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subtexts tend to be felt more than thought about. That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re called &#8220;subtexts.&#8221; They&#8217;re there whether you want &#8216;em or not, whether you think about them or not.</p>
<p>I have no trouble sympathizing with Mardello&#8217;s and D. Mod&#8217;s antipathy, though I don&#8217;t share it. Did spend a few hours last week trying to find what services there are in Denver for homeless teens. Not a lot (presumably fear of lawsuits is a big deterrent from helping the young and disenfranchised).</p>
<p>Fingersnappin&#8217; and walkin&#8217; bass = hipster signifier (but one that&#8217;s already out-of-date)</p>
<p>Text that no one but Don has noted: &#8220;every lock that ain&#8217;t locked when no one&#8217;s around.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - thanks for the biog info on Roger Miller. I had no idea he was such a professional. I'm still not convinced concepts like subtext have anything to do with it, though: most pro songwriters are far too busy trying to A/make it rhyme; B/make it witty; C/make a tune people want to whistle (or dance to). Then, as you so rightly point out, all they can do is sit back and pray it strikes some kind of public nerve. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I've got this right, understanding why a number one hits that magic button is exactly why Tom is doing this site, and I applaud him for it. All I'm saying is let's not invest the songwriters and musicians and producers themselves with too much intellectual engagement. Most of them run on instinct, and music (popular or otherwise) is all the better for it. Look what happened when rock musicians started thinking too much about what they were doing: Jon Lord gave us 'Deep Purple and the London Philharmonic' (or whatever it was called), and Pete Townsend gave us 'Tommy'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course I'm crackers too, so the above may just be a load of old hooey of the sort you might find in a Chinese fortune cookie...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt - thanks for the biog info on Roger Miller. I had no idea he was such a professional. I&#8217;m still not convinced concepts like subtext have anything to do with it, though: most pro songwriters are far too busy trying to A/make it rhyme; B/make it witty; C/make a tune people want to whistle (or dance to). Then, as you so rightly point out, all they can do is sit back and pray it strikes some kind of public nerve. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;ve got this right, understanding why a number one hits that magic button is exactly why Tom is doing this site, and I applaud him for it. All I&#8217;m saying is let&#8217;s not invest the songwriters and musicians and producers themselves with too much intellectual engagement. Most of them run on instinct, and music (popular or otherwise) is all the better for it. Look what happened when rock musicians started thinking too much about what they were doing: Jon Lord gave us &#8216;Deep Purple and the London Philharmonic&#8217; (or whatever it was called), and Pete Townsend gave us &#8216;Tommy&#8217;.</p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m crackers too, so the above may just be a load of old hooey of the sort you might find in a Chinese fortune cookie&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"To say that he never thought about subtext is to be frightfully naive."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's not what he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To say that he never thought about subtext is to be frightfully naive.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what he said.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accept being called "crackers" with grace and dignity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doctor Mod</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:&lt;br /&gt;1.  Roger Miller was a hit songwriter for many years and won a Tony Award for "Big River," a huge Broadway show about "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn." To say that he never thought about subtext is to be frightfully naive.&lt;br /&gt;2.  If you really think that all songs with damnably singable melodies and well-crafted lyrics hit #1, and that the opposites of that never happen, you need to learn more about the way pop music works. Songs strike chords with people, or don't.&lt;br /&gt;3.  And if you think that music can really be reduced to "good words, good melody, don't think more about them," then you aren't very familiar with Tom's work. Yeah, I went overboard with my comments; I'm trying to work something out. If all I had to say was "it's a good song," I wouldn't bother to write anything down.&lt;br /&gt;4.  But yeah, I AM crackers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:<br />1.  Roger Miller was a hit songwriter for many years and won a Tony Award for &#8220;Big River,&#8221; a huge Broadway show about &#8220;The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.&#8221; To say that he never thought about subtext is to be frightfully naive.<br />2.  If you really think that all songs with damnably singable melodies and well-crafted lyrics hit #1, and that the opposites of that never happen, you need to learn more about the way pop music works. Songs strike chords with people, or don&#8217;t.<br />3.  And if you think that music can really be reduced to &#8220;good words, good melody, don&#8217;t think more about them,&#8221; then you aren&#8217;t very familiar with Tom&#8217;s work. Yeah, I went overboard with my comments; I&#8217;m trying to work something out. If all I had to say was &#8220;it&#8217;s a good song,&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t bother to write anything down.<br />4.  But yeah, I AM crackers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew. I'll say that again. Phew. Who'd have thought a simple country tune about hobos would have got all the Popular commenters so hot under the collar? Tom, you must be reeling under the onslaught.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's my sixpennyworth. King of the Road was a hit because it's a damnably singable tune with a well-crafted, memorable lyric. Anyone who thinks Roger Miller was thinking about subtexts on the nature of the American Dream is just plain crackers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ditto some of the comments about the Stones. Give us a break, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew. I&#8217;ll say that again. Phew. Who&#8217;d have thought a simple country tune about hobos would have got all the Popular commenters so hot under the collar? Tom, you must be reeling under the onslaught.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my sixpennyworth. King of the Road was a hit because it&#8217;s a damnably singable tune with a well-crafted, memorable lyric. Anyone who thinks Roger Miller was thinking about subtexts on the nature of the American Dream is just plain crackers.</p>
<p>Ditto some of the comments about the Stones. Give us a break, guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest batch of bullshit in this comments line is being peddled by Marcello, who is peddling some kind of English music-hall snakeoil because he does not understand the very American impulse to hit the road, to start over, to drop one kind of life for another. He also seems to imply that there was some kind of payola conspiracy to ram this song down the throats of good sensible British folk. Even if this was true, it would have been a really good kind of conspiracy, one I heartily approve of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This song is about many things but the Rolling Stones is not one of them; neither are the Proclaimers nor amphetamines. What is about is the grimy glamo(u)r of living on one's own terms, ready to drop everything in a heartbeat and move on, the mobility that guarantees freedom from all commitment and therefore heartbreak, even if that means that you are a useless bum.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No one ever heard this song and said "Hey I wanna be like that guy," but if you have never met any one of these completely untethered off-the-grid individuals then I can understand why you think this is hokum. I don't know why so many of these guys are named Fred, but many of them are, and they all have lived in Wyoming at some point. They don't have to smoke old stogies anymore, but sometimes they probably do just to do it. It's kind of like hono(u)ring fallen homiez by pouring out a 40.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest batch of bullshit in this comments line is being peddled by Marcello, who is peddling some kind of English music-hall snakeoil because he does not understand the very American impulse to hit the road, to start over, to drop one kind of life for another. He also seems to imply that there was some kind of payola conspiracy to ram this song down the throats of good sensible British folk. Even if this was true, it would have been a really good kind of conspiracy, one I heartily approve of.</p>
<p>This song is about many things but the Rolling Stones is not one of them; neither are the Proclaimers nor amphetamines. What is about is the grimy glamo(u)r of living on one&#8217;s own terms, ready to drop everything in a heartbeat and move on, the mobility that guarantees freedom from all commitment and therefore heartbreak, even if that means that you are a useless bum.</p>
<p>No one ever heard this song and said &#8220;Hey I wanna be like that guy,&#8221; but if you have never met any one of these completely untethered off-the-grid individuals then I can understand why you think this is hokum. I don&#8217;t know why so many of these guys are named Fred, but many of them are, and they all have lived in Wyoming at some point. They don&#8217;t have to smoke old stogies anymore, but sometimes they probably do just to do it. It&#8217;s kind of like hono(u)ring fallen homiez by pouring out a 40.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Allred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Allred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not too surpising that such a laidback song would get run right over by all sorts of if-you-start-me-up-I'll-never-stop autocommentary.  It's really just a pleasingly skewed view, like Morgan Freeman provides in Million Dollar Baby: not dispensing Funky Wisdom, as is usually the function of black people (incl, females of all ages, not just Cool Old Dudes). He does care, and does comment, to viewers and other characters. He's an audience/character-gatekeeper, and an embodiment (not a speech/wisdom-giver) of a saner/more appealing lifestyle than that of the two obsessos, Eastwood and Swank. But the King Of The Road is even more laidback. Shady and funky even in the context of the King Of The Road Motel (an actual place in Nashville, which I've always assumed is the setting of the aong, although I suppose the latter might've been the daddy of the former). Much appreciated by mid-60s teenage me, even though I dug all the songs that, implicitly or explicitly, were urging me on! To catch up! Get Down and Get With it! Like a Rolling Stone, a college loan, join the Pepsi Generation and the Dodge Rebellion, get your Mama to buy you some striped bells in the Mod Corner at J.C. Penny! Clearasil that zit, Dippity-Do and Scotch Tape those bangs, and for godssakes buy every rock-'n-roll book on the magazine stand, but last week's singles, this one's too! Be a Marlboro man, and figure out,"Should a gentleman offer cigarillos to a lady?" Certainly,*don't* go sniff old stogies, whatever you do...not like...that guy over there, in the corner of the speaker of that transistor, crackling on the Fartown bus. H'mm. And especially a h'mm appeal to teenage me in in the American South, with prosperity and any sense of buyable happiness and standing, of Pop Culture, for instance, being a precarious novelty. Maybe some of its appeal in mid-60s England too, for similar reasons? (Or older people may have been less likely to take *general* prosperity, vs, teen-self conditions, for granted, cos they were old enough to remember how rough things had been, and of course were still paying their teen's bills).Thanks to Marcello for explaining "short, but not too big around." I thought--well, never mind. Mark mentioned hobo literature. I entered "Hobo" on Amazon UK, and got over 100 items, although quite a few had no pubisher's description or reader's reviews. On the original Amazon, entered You Can't Win, Wm. Burroughs' fave, and got a ton of items and descripions. Hit record predecents of "King" might include pleasingly skewed (funning on stuff that just ev'rbody knows about, funning on the wide-eyed outsider who just wandered in, too, but he turns being an outcat into something charming, kinda cool and kinda not, "kinda dumb and kinda smart," as in Bobby Goldsboro's very kinda touching hit, "Honey"): Andy Griffith's early hit monologue (pre-rap-rap? Anyway, a hit spoken single, not even musical accompaniment):"What It Was, Was Football." (or just "Football," mebbe). Before that: Spike Jones with Homer &#038; Jethro, and hillbillies report on the Opera-not-Opry:"Hillbilly Pagliacci." Homer and Jethro did a lot of stuff like this, and may well have influenced Roger, but the "King" and England Swings" and othees say later for H&#038;J's acrobatic pickin'. (PS: in a slight slice of S.F. archived at thefreelancementalists, Dylan is referred to as "our King of the Road," since he really is, beyond our Motel King, and also, when I've seen him, usually does look like he's gonna sniff stogies and check locks in between sets. Also said in the Voice that Luc F.'s Les Anecdotiques "as Ferrari intends, swings in and out of meaning like a pendulum do"(while privately imaging Luc Sante in a Ferrari with Jean-Paul Belmondo and Mary Quant, as per Donovan's "Portobello Road)If you start me up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not too surpising that such a laidback song would get run right over by all sorts of if-you-start-me-up-I&#8217;ll-never-stop autocommentary.  It&#8217;s really just a pleasingly skewed view, like Morgan Freeman provides in Million Dollar Baby: not dispensing Funky Wisdom, as is usually the function of black people (incl, females of all ages, not just Cool Old Dudes). He does care, and does comment, to viewers and other characters. He&#8217;s an audience/character-gatekeeper, and an embodiment (not a speech/wisdom-giver) of a saner/more appealing lifestyle than that of the two obsessos, Eastwood and Swank. But the King Of The Road is even more laidback. Shady and funky even in the context of the King Of The Road Motel (an actual place in Nashville, which I&#8217;ve always assumed is the setting of the aong, although I suppose the latter might&#8217;ve been the daddy of the former). Much appreciated by mid-60s teenage me, even though I dug all the songs that, implicitly or explicitly, were urging me on! To catch up! Get Down and Get With it! Like a Rolling Stone, a college loan, join the Pepsi Generation and the Dodge Rebellion, get your Mama to buy you some striped bells in the Mod Corner at J.C. Penny! Clearasil that zit, Dippity-Do and Scotch Tape those bangs, and for godssakes buy every rock-&#8217;n-roll book on the magazine stand, but last week&#8217;s singles, this one&#8217;s too! Be a Marlboro man, and figure out,&#8221;Should a gentleman offer cigarillos to a lady?&#8221; Certainly,*don&#8217;t* go sniff old stogies, whatever you do&#8230;not like&#8230;that guy over there, in the corner of the speaker of that transistor, crackling on the Fartown bus. H&#8217;mm. And especially a h&#8217;mm appeal to teenage me in in the American South, with prosperity and any sense of buyable happiness and standing, of Pop Culture, for instance, being a precarious novelty. Maybe some of its appeal in mid-60s England too, for similar reasons? (Or older people may have been less likely to take *general* prosperity, vs, teen-self conditions, for granted, cos they were old enough to remember how rough things had been, and of course were still paying their teen&#8217;s bills).Thanks to Marcello for explaining &#8220;short, but not too big around.&#8221; I thought&#8211;well, never mind. Mark mentioned hobo literature. I entered &#8220;Hobo&#8221; on Amazon UK, and got over 100 items, although quite a few had no pubisher&#8217;s description or reader&#8217;s reviews. On the original Amazon, entered You Can&#8217;t Win, Wm. Burroughs&#8217; fave, and got a ton of items and descripions. Hit record predecents of &#8220;King&#8221; might include pleasingly skewed (funning on stuff that just ev&#8217;rbody knows about, funning on the wide-eyed outsider who just wandered in, too, but he turns being an outcat into something charming, kinda cool and kinda not, &#8220;kinda dumb and kinda smart,&#8221; as in Bobby Goldsboro&#8217;s very kinda touching hit, &#8220;Honey&#8221;): Andy Griffith&#8217;s early hit monologue (pre-rap-rap? Anyway, a hit spoken single, not even musical accompaniment):&#8221;What It Was, Was Football.&#8221; (or just &#8220;Football,&#8221; mebbe). Before that: Spike Jones with Homer &#038; Jethro, and hillbillies report on the Opera-not-Opry:&#8221;Hillbilly Pagliacci.&#8221; Homer and Jethro did a lot of stuff like this, and may well have influenced Roger, but the &#8220;King&#8221; and England Swings&#8221; and othees say later for H&#038;J&#8217;s acrobatic pickin&#8217;. (PS: in a slight slice of S.F. archived at thefreelancementalists, Dylan is referred to as &#8220;our King of the Road,&#8221; since he really is, beyond our Motel King, and also, when I&#8217;ve seen him, usually does look like he&#8217;s gonna sniff stogies and check locks in between sets. Also said in the Voice that Luc F.&#8217;s Les Anecdotiques &#8220;as Ferrari intends, swings in and out of meaning like a pendulum do&#8221;(while privately imaging Luc Sante in a Ferrari with Jean-Paul Belmondo and Mary Quant, as per Donovan&#8217;s &#8220;Portobello Road)If you start me up</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a "freak" under this paradigm differs radically from being either a "prep" or a "hood" because the two latter categories generally require conformity and thus consensus.  "Freaks," on the other hand, are freaks because they don't conform and like what they like regardless of consensus; ergo, what one freak likes is not necessarily what another freak likes.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This freak, for one, never bought into the Dylan myth either--which is not to say that I can't appreciate Dylan on some level--and, indeed, hasn't been much impressed with the "American frontier" mythos in  more recent figures such as Springsteen and Mellencamp.  Rather, I see all these figures (with the exception of Dylan, who has a keen sense of irony) as the mourners of an American dream that is rapidly becoming more and more untenable.  Being American, white, straight, and male might not be the passport to an absolute freedom that answers to no one that it was, in previous decades, imagined to be.  Even so, to our own perdition, there are still those who try ferociously to cling to this notion.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does this have to do with "King of the Road"?  It is both a throwback and a harbinger of things to come in this vein.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You say you'd have liked it better by the Kingston Trio.  I'd have been able to like it by Fairport Convention or the Strawbs, artists who would have put it in a rather different context and who weren't invested in this particular myth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doctor Mod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a &#8220;freak&#8221; under this paradigm differs radically from being either a &#8220;prep&#8221; or a &#8220;hood&#8221; because the two latter categories generally require conformity and thus consensus.  &#8220;Freaks,&#8221; on the other hand, are freaks because they don&#8217;t conform and like what they like regardless of consensus; ergo, what one freak likes is not necessarily what another freak likes.  </p>
<p>This freak, for one, never bought into the Dylan myth either&#8211;which is not to say that I can&#8217;t appreciate Dylan on some level&#8211;and, indeed, hasn&#8217;t been much impressed with the &#8220;American frontier&#8221; mythos in  more recent figures such as Springsteen and Mellencamp.  Rather, I see all these figures (with the exception of Dylan, who has a keen sense of irony) as the mourners of an American dream that is rapidly becoming more and more untenable.  Being American, white, straight, and male might not be the passport to an absolute freedom that answers to no one that it was, in previous decades, imagined to be.  Even so, to our own perdition, there are still those who try ferociously to cling to this notion.  </p>
<p>What does this have to do with &#8220;King of the Road&#8221;?  It is both a throwback and a harbinger of things to come in this vein.</p>
<p>You say you&#8217;d have liked it better by the Kingston Trio.  I&#8217;d have been able to like it by Fairport Convention or the Strawbs, artists who would have put it in a rather different context and who weren&#8217;t invested in this particular myth.</p>
<p>Doctor Mod</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D. Mob, what you say is interesting; in 1965 I was to young to have understood that part of the subtext, and didn't hear KoTR anyway since I was averse to pop at the time. At age 11 I liked folk music and sneered at (and feared) the Top 40. Had I heard KoTR in a Kingston Trio cover, I'd have liked it fine. But seems to me that in its time KoTR could go in at least two very different directions, (1) to off-road vehicles and survivalism, wide open spaces, (2) to the mystery tramp and Miss Lonely meeting in the urban wilderness, where if you ain't got nothin you got nothin to lose, and anything is possible. Dylan simply takes the frontier and brings it to the street. And the freaks could be said to be acting out that Myth - "Myth" not meant to mean "lie" but (as per def'n 2 in the &lt;I&gt;American Heritage&lt;/I&gt;) "any real of fictional story, recurring theme, or character type that appeals to the consciousness of a people by embodying its cultural ideals or by giving expression to deep, commonly felt emotions." There's nothing inherently conservative about the myth, even if George W. Bush is more adept than Kerry at exploiting it, at pretending to adventure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. Mob, what you say is interesting; in 1965 I was to young to have understood that part of the subtext, and didn&#8217;t hear KoTR anyway since I was averse to pop at the time. At age 11 I liked folk music and sneered at (and feared) the Top 40. Had I heard KoTR in a Kingston Trio cover, I&#8217;d have liked it fine. But seems to me that in its time KoTR could go in at least two very different directions, (1) to off-road vehicles and survivalism, wide open spaces, (2) to the mystery tramp and Miss Lonely meeting in the urban wilderness, where if you ain&#8217;t got nothin you got nothin to lose, and anything is possible. Dylan simply takes the frontier and brings it to the street. And the freaks could be said to be acting out that Myth - &#8220;Myth&#8221; not meant to mean &#8220;lie&#8221; but (as per def&#8217;n 2 in the <i>American Heritage</i>) &#8220;any real of fictional story, recurring theme, or character type that appeals to the consciousness of a people by embodying its cultural ideals or by giving expression to deep, commonly felt emotions.&#8221; There&#8217;s nothing inherently conservative about the myth, even if George W. Bush is more adept than Kerry at exploiting it, at pretending to adventure.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn't say that Muddy Waters has much to do with "The Last Time." The riff is a descendant of "Smokestack Lightning" (perhaps played by future NY Dolls fan Hubert Sumlin) and "Susie Q" (riff by James Burton), the song structure and some of the lyrics from an old gospel song (the Staples Singers version called "This Could Be The Last Time," James Brown's slightly secularized version "Maybe the Last Time"). While Pa Staples would put some bluesiness in his guitar playing, in general dirty blues lines don't make it into gospel or pop material until the Stones put them there. And with good reason, since you have to be looking for a fight if you're going to include such socially antagonistic elements. In its gospel versions, the reason this could be the last time we see each other is that death can hit at any moment. But the gospel songs have a sense of basic social unity, a common pool of shared belief (and the gospel groups promise that we'll meet again on the other side). The Stones take a razor to that unity, and Brian's guitar line is the sound of that razor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tom's right about words, guitar, and singing playing at odds with one another, and though Jagger may sound upbeat and as if he holds the cards, his words say otherwise, divide Jagger the lyricist from Jagger the singer. Girl holds power by saying no, and put "The Last Time" with "Heart Of Stone" and you're planting the seeds for Iggy going "Come and be my enemy so I can love you too," and Axl saying "Turn around bitch I got a use for you." But where does that get you? I don't know... [into the fade out, the best and longest fadeout to that point in music history, and he really doesn't know].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Staples Singers are to "The Last Time" as Ptolemy is to Copernicus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's somewhat closer with, say, Valentinos' "It's All Over Now" vs. the Stones', but the Valentinos going "Hurt my nose open, that's no lie, tables turn now it's her turn to cry" still feels, in that version, like standard man-woman stuff, while the Stones going "Hurt my eyes open, that's no lie, tables turn now it's her turn to cry" is done with threat, arrogance, a social tough-guy-ness like Brando in &lt;I&gt;The Wild One&lt;/I&gt;. It's meant to hurt &lt;I&gt;our&lt;/I&gt; eyes open, about a world that is wrong, and is the precursor to "God save the queen/The fascist regime/Made you a moron..." etc. and there is no future in England's dreaming. Her turn to cry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, now that the songs are golden oldies, a lot of this is lost; we're used to that guitar line, and there's no way it's a razor anymore. You want a razor, you make one yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t say that Muddy Waters has much to do with &#8220;The Last Time.&#8221; The riff is a descendant of &#8220;Smokestack Lightning&#8221; (perhaps played by future NY Dolls fan Hubert Sumlin) and &#8220;Susie Q&#8221; (riff by James Burton), the song structure and some of the lyrics from an old gospel song (the Staples Singers version called &#8220;This Could Be The Last Time,&#8221; James Brown&#8217;s slightly secularized version &#8220;Maybe the Last Time&#8221;). While Pa Staples would put some bluesiness in his guitar playing, in general dirty blues lines don&#8217;t make it into gospel or pop material until the Stones put them there. And with good reason, since you have to be looking for a fight if you&#8217;re going to include such socially antagonistic elements. In its gospel versions, the reason this could be the last time we see each other is that death can hit at any moment. But the gospel songs have a sense of basic social unity, a common pool of shared belief (and the gospel groups promise that we&#8217;ll meet again on the other side). The Stones take a razor to that unity, and Brian&#8217;s guitar line is the sound of that razor.</p>
<p>Tom&#8217;s right about words, guitar, and singing playing at odds with one another, and though Jagger may sound upbeat and as if he holds the cards, his words say otherwise, divide Jagger the lyricist from Jagger the singer. Girl holds power by saying no, and put &#8220;The Last Time&#8221; with &#8220;Heart Of Stone&#8221; and you&#8217;re planting the seeds for Iggy going &#8220;Come and be my enemy so I can love you too,&#8221; and Axl saying &#8220;Turn around bitch I got a use for you.&#8221; But where does that get you? I don&#8217;t know&#8230; [into the fade out, the best and longest fadeout to that point in music history, and he really doesn't know].</p>
<p>Staples Singers are to &#8220;The Last Time&#8221; as Ptolemy is to Copernicus.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s somewhat closer with, say, Valentinos&#8217; &#8220;It&#8217;s All Over Now&#8221; vs. the Stones&#8217;, but the Valentinos going &#8220;Hurt my nose open, that&#8217;s no lie, tables turn now it&#8217;s her turn to cry&#8221; still feels, in that version, like standard man-woman stuff, while the Stones going &#8220;Hurt my eyes open, that&#8217;s no lie, tables turn now it&#8217;s her turn to cry&#8221; is done with threat, arrogance, a social tough-guy-ness like Brando in <i>The Wild One</i>. It&#8217;s meant to hurt <i>our</i> eyes open, about a world that is wrong, and is the precursor to &#8220;God save the queen/The fascist regime/Made you a moron&#8230;&#8221; etc. and there is no future in England&#8217;s dreaming. Her turn to cry.</p>
<p>Of course, now that the songs are golden oldies, a lot of this is lost; we&#8217;re used to that guitar line, and there&#8217;s no way it&#8217;s a razor anymore. You want a razor, you make one yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Frank, for the acute analysis--I think you are, by and large, quite right.  My own personal disdain, though, is as grounded in 1965 as it is in 2005, and for the same reasons.  As an unusually bright fourteen-year-old (neither "prep" nor "hood" but surely a "freak"), I could intuit (but probably not articulate) what offended me.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that the political context has been completely overlooked here.  This recording represents something of a backlash against all the other trends of the moment, particularly what many Americans, at least, would see as the infiltration of "furners" (trans., foreigners) into a traditionally American popular music culture.  Thus we have this bit of hokey Americana, a nostalgic pseudo-pastoral apotheosis of American freedom that, in reality, never was--at least not in this glorified manner.  Growing up in the US, I saw this as what I was "supposed" to like as opposed to what I did like, a reimposition of the standards of the previous decade.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In 2005, I still thoroughly dislike this song--perhaps even more than in 1965--because I know exactly who wants to blind us with counterfeit nostalgia for a "lost" America and reimpose those falsehoods and repressions NOW.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's not so much that I can't stand the song itself ("hate" is too strong a word), but rather the idea of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Would this song be a hit in 2005?  I can imagine a performance of it in the White House, even in the age of "compassionate conservatism" that would call any self-styled king of the road a "homeless person" and therefore a problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doctor Mod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Frank, for the acute analysis&#8211;I think you are, by and large, quite right.  My own personal disdain, though, is as grounded in 1965 as it is in 2005, and for the same reasons.  As an unusually bright fourteen-year-old (neither &#8220;prep&#8221; nor &#8220;hood&#8221; but surely a &#8220;freak&#8221;), I could intuit (but probably not articulate) what offended me.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that the political context has been completely overlooked here.  This recording represents something of a backlash against all the other trends of the moment, particularly what many Americans, at least, would see as the infiltration of &#8220;furners&#8221; (trans., foreigners) into a traditionally American popular music culture.  Thus we have this bit of hokey Americana, a nostalgic pseudo-pastoral apotheosis of American freedom that, in reality, never was&#8211;at least not in this glorified manner.  Growing up in the US, I saw this as what I was &#8220;supposed&#8221; to like as opposed to what I did like, a reimposition of the standards of the previous decade.</p>
<p>In 2005, I still thoroughly dislike this song&#8211;perhaps even more than in 1965&#8211;because I know exactly who wants to blind us with counterfeit nostalgia for a &#8220;lost&#8221; America and reimpose those falsehoods and repressions NOW.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not so much that I can&#8217;t stand the song itself (&#8221;hate&#8221; is too strong a word), but rather the idea of it.</p>
<p>Would this song be a hit in 2005?  I can imagine a performance of it in the White House, even in the age of &#8220;compassionate conservatism&#8221; that would call any self-styled king of the road a &#8220;homeless person&#8221; and therefore a problem.</p>
<p>Doctor Mod</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
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		<description>As for the difference between Roger Miller and the Rolling Stones 1965, Miller thinks you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd, whereas the Stones are trying to roller skate in a buffalo herd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the difference between Roger Miller and the Rolling Stones 1965, Miller thinks you can&#8217;t roller skate in a buffalo herd, whereas the Stones are trying to roller skate in a buffalo herd.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Kogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Kogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think of Miller and Stones as representing some kind of poles in regard to old MOR vs. new Youth. The problem with such a division isn't just that (1) while Stones might have represented some Youth (and no non-Youth), Miller wasn't crossing from (or to) non-Youth specifically, and (2) Youth and Grownup cultures/subcultures were hardly unified in themselves, and tended to interpenetrate by age (e.g., country wasn't a youth subculture, but some of the kids in high school who'd be called hoods, and many others who'd be called farmers or rednecks, would listen to some country), but also (3) the success of the Beatles and (esp.) the Stones totally disrupts the social map, and things don't even begin to settle until 1968, and don't achieve much (temporary) stability until about 1971. E.g., the kid social map in 1963 is, let's say, Preps vs. Hoods [adjust names according to your own locale], with most kids actually being in-between but leaning one way or another, as do the other subgroups - brains leaning towards preps, farmers leaning towards hoods, etc., jocks leaning towards preps but being a potential path of mobility between prep and hood, and artsy-fartsies being the wild card. Then as now there's no easy matchup in relation to musical taste, and pop bands tend to hit across the board. Nonetheless, and despite their being hoods themselves, Beatles tend to be marketed as pop and to play to the preps. Whereas hoods tend to be sticking to the 4 Seasons and that sort of stuff, which is about to become pass�, with the Stones in the wings to become the hero of the hoods. But the wild card is that both the Beatles and the Stones play to the artsy-fartsies, i.e., to the &lt;B&gt;freaks&lt;/B&gt;. And the freaks are the ones who threaten to destabilize the system (the system not being "Preps Rule" but "Preps vs. Hoods"), since the freaks can claim to be &lt;I&gt;more&lt;/I&gt; out and oppositional than the hoods, even, but also are willing to challenge the preps' claim to authority and respectability. The hoods know their place, the freaks don't, and the more powerful the freaks become, the more everyone else loses his or her sense of place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, where does "King of the Road" fit? Well, it's gentle enough to appeal to adults for whom the Beatles are "What's that?" and the Stones are the devil's spawn, but is devoid of show music and old pop (Perry Como, et al.) signifiers, is folky and hobo enough to play to the bohos, is slick enough to play to the sophisticates, but has enough subtle country inflections to appeal to the farmers. Which is to say that despite the hate evidenced on this thread (which has more to do with 2005 than with 1965, I think), "King of the Road" didn't play as anyone's other - except maybe the guy who thinks everything turned to shit after Debussy - hence didn't raise sociological barriers to enjoyment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think of Miller and Stones as representing some kind of poles in regard to old MOR vs. new Youth. The problem with such a division isn&#8217;t just that (1) while Stones might have represented some Youth (and no non-Youth), Miller wasn&#8217;t crossing from (or to) non-Youth specifically, and (2) Youth and Grownup cultures/subcultures were hardly unified in themselves, and tended to interpenetrate by age (e.g., country wasn&#8217;t a youth subculture, but some of the kids in high school who&#8217;d be called hoods, and many others who&#8217;d be called farmers or rednecks, would listen to some country), but also (3) the success of the Beatles and (esp.) the Stones totally disrupts the social map, and things don&#8217;t even begin to settle until 1968, and don&#8217;t achieve much (temporary) stability until about 1971. E.g., the kid social map in 1963 is, let&#8217;s say, Preps vs. Hoods [adjust names according to your own locale], with most kids actually being in-between but leaning one way or another, as do the other subgroups - brains leaning towards preps, farmers leaning towards hoods, etc., jocks leaning towards preps but being a potential path of mobility between prep and hood, and artsy-fartsies being the wild card. Then as now there&#8217;s no easy matchup in relation to musical taste, and pop bands tend to hit across the board. Nonetheless, and despite their being hoods themselves, Beatles tend to be marketed as pop and to play to the preps. Whereas hoods tend to be sticking to the 4 Seasons and that sort of stuff, which is about to become pass�, with the Stones in the wings to become the hero of the hoods. But the wild card is that both the Beatles and the Stones play to the artsy-fartsies, i.e., to the <b>freaks</b>. And the freaks are the ones who threaten to destabilize the system (the system not being &#8220;Preps Rule&#8221; but &#8220;Preps vs. Hoods&#8221;), since the freaks can claim to be <i>more</i> out and oppositional than the hoods, even, but also are willing to challenge the preps&#8217; claim to authority and respectability. The hoods know their place, the freaks don&#8217;t, and the more powerful the freaks become, the more everyone else loses his or her sense of place.</p>
<p>So, where does &#8220;King of the Road&#8221; fit? Well, it&#8217;s gentle enough to appeal to adults for whom the Beatles are &#8220;What&#8217;s that?&#8221; and the Stones are the devil&#8217;s spawn, but is devoid of show music and old pop (Perry Como, et al.) signifiers, is folky and hobo enough to play to the bohos, is slick enough to play to the sophisticates, but has enough subtle country inflections to appeal to the farmers. Which is to say that despite the hate evidenced on this thread (which has more to do with 2005 than with 1965, I think), &#8220;King of the Road&#8221; didn&#8217;t play as anyone&#8217;s other - except maybe the guy who thinks everything turned to shit after Debussy - hence didn&#8217;t raise sociological barriers to enjoyment.</p>
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