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	<title>Comments on: Comics: A Beginner&#8217;s Guide: War Comics</title>
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		<title>By: DV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Garth Ennis war comics of recent years - while people have been billing them as updated versions of the Commando stories, they are much grimmer. The good ones, I mean. I reckon this is why Commando refused to print them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Garth Ennis war comics of recent years - while people have been billing them as updated versions of the Commando stories, they are much grimmer. The good ones, I mean. I reckon this is why Commando refused to print them.</p>
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		<title>By: DV</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not really convinced by Commando. The art tends to be pretty rubbish, and the stories are very much of the "that showed the krauts/japs/gimps" sort. 

The British war comics I recommend are:

1. Charley's War, for all that I am becoming a bit tired of how reverential everyone is towards this grim first world war story.

2. Darkie's Mob - hard to get hold of tale of doomed unit fighting insane commander's private war against the Jap (er, the Japanese... these were different times)

3. Johnny Red-  Russian front air strip which managed to achieve a certain epic quality that countered its otherwise "that showed the krauts!" approach.

4. Some off the as yet unreprinted Battle Picture Library strips by That Artist Whose Name I Don't Know. He is way better at drawing tanks and soldiers than the people whose work they keep reprinting.

5. An exception to my Commando hate are some recent stories about a British soldier who finds himself fighting for the Paris Commune and against the Boxer Rebellion.

And so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really convinced by Commando. The art tends to be pretty rubbish, and the stories are very much of the &#8220;that showed the krauts/japs/gimps&#8221; sort. </p>
<p>The British war comics I recommend are:</p>
<p>1. Charley&#8217;s War, for all that I am becoming a bit tired of how reverential everyone is towards this grim first world war story.</p>
<p>2. Darkie&#8217;s Mob - hard to get hold of tale of doomed unit fighting insane commander&#8217;s private war against the Jap (er, the Japanese&#8230; these were different times)</p>
<p>3. Johnny Red-  Russian front air strip which managed to achieve a certain epic quality that countered its otherwise &#8220;that showed the krauts!&#8221; approach.</p>
<p>4. Some off the as yet unreprinted Battle Picture Library strips by That Artist Whose Name I Don&#8217;t Know. He is way better at drawing tanks and soldiers than the people whose work they keep reprinting.</p>
<p>5. An exception to my Commando hate are some recent stories about a British soldier who finds himself fighting for the Paris Commune and against the Boxer Rebellion.</p>
<p>And so on.</p>
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		<title>By: aldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't going to buy Vol 2 but the comic shop ordered it specifically for me so I felt a bit beholden. But , actually, I'm really quite enjoying it. As Al says, it does suffer from repetition (there's one story where the same line is repeated in two consecutive panels even - something like "Slim, you need to thread the needle on this one!" followed by "You did it Slim, you threaded the needle on that one!") but read them in the original manner or in clusters of two or three (maybe 50 pages at a time) and it flows really well. There's even a Russ Heath three panel opening page (from the 'Losers' origin story that also features Johnny Cloud, Captain Storm and Gunner &#38; Sarge) that is maybe my favourite in any DC war book, especially the bottom panel. 

I'm unsure whether you're missing out on Commando or not. There's some truly astonishing stuff there (inluding early work from lots of IPC greats like John Ridgway) but there's a lot of dross. It did teach me a fair bit of German when I was in primary school though, even if it was only "hande hoch", "achtung schweinhund" and "AIIEEEEEEEE!". Garth Ennis' serious books like War Story are a great continuation of the Commando tradition. 

The cheapest way to get the EC war books is probably through the Gemstone reprints? You can generally get the full set for about the cost of one volume of the hardcover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t going to buy Vol 2 but the comic shop ordered it specifically for me so I felt a bit beholden. But , actually, I&#8217;m really quite enjoying it. As Al says, it does suffer from repetition (there&#8217;s one story where the same line is repeated in two consecutive panels even - something like &#8220;Slim, you need to thread the needle on this one!&#8221; followed by &#8220;You did it Slim, you threaded the needle on that one!&#8221;) but read them in the original manner or in clusters of two or three (maybe 50 pages at a time) and it flows really well. There&#8217;s even a Russ Heath three panel opening page (from the &#8216;Losers&#8217; origin story that also features Johnny Cloud, Captain Storm and Gunner &amp; Sarge) that is maybe my favourite in any DC war book, especially the bottom panel. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m unsure whether you&#8217;re missing out on Commando or not. There&#8217;s some truly astonishing stuff there (inluding early work from lots of IPC greats like John Ridgway) but there&#8217;s a lot of dross. It did teach me a fair bit of German when I was in primary school though, even if it was only &#8220;hande hoch&#8221;, &#8220;achtung schweinhund&#8221; and &#8220;AIIEEEEEEEE!&#8221;. Garth Ennis&#8217; serious books like War Story are a great continuation of the Commando tradition. </p>
<p>The cheapest way to get the EC war books is probably through the Gemstone reprints? You can generally get the full set for about the cost of one volume of the hardcover.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Skidmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Skidmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't buy the second volume, because I don't care about the artists on any of the stories (much as I like the Kubert covers), and I always found the setup tedious. Clearly the ghost is real - there is far too much that makes craziness an insufficient explanation - and for me the magical help removes too much of the tension and challenge. 

A lot of people really like Russ Heath, the main Haunted Tank artist. Serious fans of the genre, because he apparently puts every rivet in the right place, and some comic fans because his line is very nice. I find him dull - he so rarely bothers to try hard on anything like body language and facial expression.

And yes, all that 'South is best' stuff always bugs me, in all media. I can take it from Granny in the Beverly Hillbillies because she is a mad old bat, but it's far too pervasive, and often smacks of a nostalgia for the horrors of the South, or at least a willingness to ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t buy the second volume, because I don&#8217;t care about the artists on any of the stories (much as I like the Kubert covers), and I always found the setup tedious. Clearly the ghost is real - there is far too much that makes craziness an insufficient explanation - and for me the magical help removes too much of the tension and challenge. </p>
<p>A lot of people really like Russ Heath, the main Haunted Tank artist. Serious fans of the genre, because he apparently puts every rivet in the right place, and some comic fans because his line is very nice. I find him dull - he so rarely bothers to try hard on anything like body language and facial expression.</p>
<p>And yes, all that &#8216;South is best&#8217; stuff always bugs me, in all media. I can take it from Granny in the Beverly Hillbillies because she is a mad old bat, but it&#8217;s far too pervasive, and often smacks of a nostalgia for the horrors of the South, or at least a willingness to ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Ewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you stand on HAUNTED TANK?

I found it fun in places, confounding in others - the panel where one of Jeb's crew says that he's talking to himself again and the other one says that it's because he's been on a bullseye too long, that gets repeated verbatim in every single story, for example. Or the endless tales of Jeb having to prove himself to a Southerner because he's a GOD-DAMNED YANKEE - bizarrely, Jeb's response is always 'I am too as good as a Southerner despite my inferior birthplace' rather than 'New York City, motherfucker'.

Very interesting that according to the reworked origin story in Vol. 2, Jeb starts seeing The General after he's received massive head trauma from all three of his tank crew. (For being a filthy Northerner.) It's often a story point that people think Jeb's a nutter, but it's never suggested that he actually is and his delusions are what makes him a master strategist, which is a shame as it'd add an extra frisson to things...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you stand on HAUNTED TANK?</p>
<p>I found it fun in places, confounding in others - the panel where one of Jeb&#8217;s crew says that he&#8217;s talking to himself again and the other one says that it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s been on a bullseye too long, that gets repeated verbatim in every single story, for example. Or the endless tales of Jeb having to prove himself to a Southerner because he&#8217;s a GOD-DAMNED YANKEE - bizarrely, Jeb&#8217;s response is always &#8216;I am too as good as a Southerner despite my inferior birthplace&#8217; rather than &#8216;New York City, motherfucker&#8217;.</p>
<p>Very interesting that according to the reworked origin story in Vol. 2, Jeb starts seeing The General after he&#8217;s received massive head trauma from all three of his tank crew. (For being a filthy Northerner.) It&#8217;s often a story point that people think Jeb&#8217;s a nutter, but it&#8217;s never suggested that he actually is and his delusions are what makes him a master strategist, which is a shame as it&#8217;d add an extra frisson to things&#8230;</p>
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