Comments on: A Bite of Stars, a Slug of Time, and Thou – Episode 2 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/ Lollards in the high church of low culture Tue, 29 May 2012 07:45:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Tom http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405276 Tom Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:37:27 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405276 Wolfe was famous for his short stories and novellas before his big long books - "The Fifth Head Of Cerberus" (which I think was a short story before it was expanded), "The Island Of Doctor Death And Other Stories" etc. (And actually Book Of The New Sun has a bunch of short stories nested inside it though I don't think any of them are much good as standalones). If you wanted to do a New Wave series he's got some good candidates. Wolfe was famous for his short stories and novellas before his big long books – “The Fifth Head Of Cerberus” (which I think was a short story before it was expanded), “The Island Of Doctor Death And Other Stories” etc. (And actually Book Of The New Sun has a bunch of short stories nested inside it though I don’t think any of them are much good as standalones). If you wanted to do a New Wave series he’s got some good candidates.

]]> By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405266 a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:39:21 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405266 a more serious reason: i suppose in a way eli and i are very much angling, as the project behind slugs, to defend the short story as the basic unit of a certain era's expressive value -- which will inevitably leave us looking leerily at the "trilogy of triologies" types: nothing wrong with long books in long rows, maybe, BUT we want to dig a bit into what got lost a more serious reason: i suppose in a way eli and i are very much angling, as the project behind slugs, to defend the short story as the basic unit of a certain era’s expressive value — which will inevitably leave us looking leerily at the “trilogy of triologies” types: nothing wrong with long books in long rows, maybe, BUT we want to dig a bit into what got lost

]]> By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405260 a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:22:40 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405260 i didn't really HAVE a reason once you get past the irresistable open-goal joke :( i didn’t really HAVE a reason once you get past the irresistable open-goal joke :(

]]> By: Jack Fear http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405252 Jack Fear Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:45:40 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405252 Sinker: I was just about to fire off an indignant reply to your comment, but as I think about it, you're probably right - although not for the reasons you think you are. I love love love Gene Wolfe, but he's such a one-off - such a singular figure in terms of how he approaches SF and how he conceives of what it is and what it does - that trying to trace his "place" in science fiction (even when he himself provides a roadmap, as he does in some of his essays) is only going to lead down unprofitable tangents. He is <i>of</i> SF but not <i>in</i> it, might be one way to put it. Sinker: I was just about to fire off an indignant reply to your comment, but as I think about it, you’re probably right – although not for the reasons you think you are. I love love love Gene Wolfe, but he’s such a one-off – such a singular figure in terms of how he approaches SF and how he conceives of what it is and what it does – that trying to trace his “place” in science fiction (even when he himself provides a roadmap, as he does in some of his essays) is only going to lead down unprofitable tangents. He is of SF but not in it, might be one way to put it.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405119 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:13:18 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405119 not mentioning gene wolfe = FEATURE NOT BUG not mentioning gene wolfe = FEATURE NOT BUG

]]> By: Tom http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405112 Tom Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:53:28 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405112 Yeah I didn't mention The Road cos I haven't actually read it - and I didn't know if anyone else there had either, so I didn't want to say "It's a bit like The Road isn't it - well so I hear" and Eli and Mark saying yes so we hear too. The thing about pail of air compared to pretty much any other post-ap novel/story I can think of (Road included) is how static it is: they generally involve epic journeys, which APOA also does but the journey is only seen from the point of its destination. Yeah I didn’t mention The Road cos I haven’t actually read it – and I didn’t know if anyone else there had either, so I didn’t want to say “It’s a bit like The Road isn’t it – well so I hear” and Eli and Mark saying yes so we hear too.

The thing about pail of air compared to pretty much any other post-ap novel/story I can think of (Road included) is how static it is: they generally involve epic journeys, which APOA also does but the journey is only seen from the point of its destination.

]]> By: Pete http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405110 Pete Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:49:54 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-405110 Yep, really enjoyable show again, though I always pictured this story taking place in an Allied Carpet's showroom, the rugs being so central to the plot! And good editing of chatbits Eli, the stings probably helped the flow. The discussion did not get on to post-apocalyptic novels in general - and the post-apocalyptic being the route from sci-fi back into fantasy (HELLOW GENE WOLFE!), and indeed hello Cormac's Road too! Yep, really enjoyable show again, though I always pictured this story taking place in an Allied Carpet’s showroom, the rugs being so central to the plot!

And good editing of chatbits Eli, the stings probably helped the flow. The discussion did not get on to post-apocalyptic novels in general – and the post-apocalyptic being the route from sci-fi back into fantasy (HELLOW GENE WOLFE!), and indeed hello Cormac’s Road too!

]]> By: Jack Fear http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404782 Jack Fear Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:06:25 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404782 Another excellent episode, guys. Thank you! BTW: a <a href="http://www.dallasbartenders.com/recipes_pousse_cafe.htm" rel="nofollow">pousse café</a> is a fancy-pants cocktail made up of layered liqueurs that float one atop the other without mixing. You would drink it after dinner, and it would "push [down] the coffee." Another excellent episode, guys. Thank you!

BTW: a pousse café is a fancy-pants cocktail made up of layered liqueurs that float one atop the other without mixing. You would drink it after dinner, and it would “push [down] the coffee.”

]]> By: CarsmileSteve http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404720 CarsmileSteve Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:57:56 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404720 it was ben watson and "bob dobbs": <i>"Bob Dobbs is the figurehead of The Church Of The SubGenius, in this exclusive late night show the person who claims to be Bob Dobbs chews the fat with Ben Watson about Frank, James, Marshall and those that croak from beyond the grave.... and no he doesn't discuss The Church".</i> the show before was Julia Davis and Jessica Hines as well... it was ben watson and “bob dobbs”:

“Bob Dobbs is the figurehead of The Church Of The SubGenius, in this exclusive late night show the person who claims to be Bob Dobbs chews the fat with Ben Watson about Frank, James, Marshall and those that croak from beyond the grave…. and no he doesn’t discuss The Church”.

the show before was Julia Davis and Jessica Hines as well…

]]> By: jeff w http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404700 jeff w Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:58:44 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404700 What was the show on Resonance after you? It was another round table chat affair involving at least one guy with a North American accent. I dozed off* towards the end of A Slug and woke up in the middle of this other show. I was highly confused for a good ten minutes. *forgive me, I have a cold and was v. tired What was the show on Resonance after you? It was another round table chat affair involving at least one guy with a North American accent. I dozed off* towards the end of A Slug and woke up in the middle of this other show. I was highly confused for a good ten minutes.

*forgive me, I have a cold and was v. tired

]]> By: . http://freakytrigger.co.uk/science/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404577 . Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:13:59 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/slugoftime-podcast/2008/04/a-bite-of-stars-a-slug-of-time-and-thou-episode-2/#comment-404577 This story is great, I remember reading it at school. http://www.webscription.net/chapters/0743498747/0743498747___6.htm This story is great, I remember reading it at school.

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