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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-669317</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post. I do, however, find your final question (integrated experiences vs. viral &#039;grassroots&#039; strategies) a very interesting one. I don&#039;t necessary know if it is a question of &#039;winning&#039; for Marketers. Both strategies have strong advantages and disadvantages. 

For example, an integrated strategy ensures high levels of awareness but it&#039;s very expensive to create a TV show (or spot), advertise it on a number of channels and staff various social networks to ensure that conversations are maintained with users. 

On the flip side, a grassroots viral strategy (Rage asking their fans to buy with very little paid media and no production) can prove effiective and can be very cheap. That said, if you&#039;re not a brand that already has a passionate fanbase, it can be very hard to get something to resonate (and I&#039;m ignoring the dozens of entertaining YouTube video&#039;s that happen to go viral!)

Smart marketers try to use both strategies; develop a large, integrated and holistic campaign and try to augment it with some grassroots (re: cheap) approaches that could take off if they are seeded and discussed among the right people.

Excellent topic and great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post. I do, however, find your final question (integrated experiences vs. viral &#8216;grassroots&#8217; strategies) a very interesting one. I don&#8217;t necessary know if it is a question of &#8216;winning&#8217; for Marketers. Both strategies have strong advantages and disadvantages. </p>
<p>For example, an integrated strategy ensures high levels of awareness but it&#8217;s very expensive to create a TV show (or spot), advertise it on a number of channels and staff various social networks to ensure that conversations are maintained with users. </p>
<p>On the flip side, a grassroots viral strategy (Rage asking their fans to buy with very little paid media and no production) can prove effiective and can be very cheap. That said, if you&#8217;re not a brand that already has a passionate fanbase, it can be very hard to get something to resonate (and I&#8217;m ignoring the dozens of entertaining YouTube video&#8217;s that happen to go viral!)</p>
<p>Smart marketers try to use both strategies; develop a large, integrated and holistic campaign and try to augment it with some grassroots (re: cheap) approaches that could take off if they are seeded and discussed among the right people.</p>
<p>Excellent topic and great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could never bear the thought of the Coven and avoided the song at the time, but listened to it many times in process of writing http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8419446.stm (&quot;burn crosses&quot; for sure?) and found something new each time. Esp Morello. Some alternative lyrics came up in a class of 199x thread on Facebook: 
  Fuck You I Won&#039;t Tidy My Bedroom
  Fuck You I Won&#039;t Wash My Keffiyeh
  Fuck You I Won&#039;t Do My Revision

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&amp;story_fbid=381567860704&amp;id=572850559&amp;ref=mf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could never bear the thought of the Coven and avoided the song at the time, but listened to it many times in process of writing <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8419446.stm" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8419446.stm?referer=');">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8419446.stm</a> (&#8220;burn crosses&#8221; for sure?) and found something new each time. Esp Morello. Some alternative lyrics came up in a class of 199x thread on Facebook:<br />
  Fuck You I Won&#8217;t Tidy My Bedroom<br />
  Fuck You I Won&#8217;t Wash My Keffiyeh<br />
  Fuck You I Won&#8217;t Do My Revision</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&#038;story_fbid=381567860704&#038;id=572850559&#038;ref=mf" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed_038_story_fbid=381567860704_038_id=572850559_038_ref=mf&amp;referer=');">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&#038;story_fbid=381567860704&#038;id=572850559&#038;ref=mf</a></p>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/electronic-publications/stay-free/images/15/music/the_man.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/electronic-publications/stay-free/archives/15/timeline2.html&amp;usg=__jcPYrb8zqGjgAzMrjqHz5FmhRJs=&amp;h=223&amp;w=144&amp;sz=12&amp;hl=en&amp;start=1&amp;um=1&amp;tbnid=mAz7HbEBm9pIyM:&amp;tbnh=107&amp;tbnw=69&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bman%2Bcan%2527t%2Bbust%2Bour%2Bmusic%26hl%3Den%26um%3D1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;But The Man Can&#039;t Bust Our Music&lt;/a&gt; (Columbia Records ad in &lt;i&gt;Rolling Stone&lt;/i&gt; in 1968*; Columbia is now owned by Sony).

*That info is from a blog, so may not be altogether accurate, but I do remember the ad, since it stirred up controversy and contempt.</description>
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<p>*That info is from a blog, so may not be altogether accurate, but I do remember the ad, since it stirred up controversy and contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: swanstep</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666524</link>
		<dc:creator>swanstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#53,cis. Damn. I guess that means that *my* Rage probably isn&#039;t the real Rage. What a pain! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#53,cis. Damn. I guess that means that *my* Rage probably isn&#8217;t the real Rage. What a pain! :)</p>
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		<title>By: cis</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666517</link>
		<dc:creator>cis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the official ratm site has &quot;burn crosses&quot;, if that counts for anything.</description>
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		<title>By: swanstep</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666493</link>
		<dc:creator>swanstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I just checked the cd and it has lyrics for all songs except KITNO! Googling around for lyrics, people are all over the map on both lines of this couplet. At any rate, I hear what I hear, and I think the song makes good sense as a general diatribe against militarism conceived as a system of normative justifications and social behavioral control with roots in religious and racial/tribal conformism and zealotry. 

My understanding is that up until end of the &#039;90s the LAPD ran a semi-military (&#039;urban pacification&#039;) model of policing that tried to make do with relatively few officers overall (relative to the population size they had 1/4 the cops of NYC IIRC), but then to deploy massive, overwhelming force in rapid response to outbreaks of violence etc.. That model&#039;s supposed to have been replaced by a more conventional neighborhood policing model, but go &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joinlapd.com/military.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; to confirm that the LAPD&#039;s connection to the military is nonetheless still very strong. E.g.,
&lt;i&gt;LAPD officers that are military veterans are highly encouraged to wear their military ribbons on their LAPD uniform.&lt;/i&gt;
Anyhow, this is the level at which I took Rage&#039;s more general points to connect up with LAPD stuff. Rage shared with NWA et al. an image of East LA as Beirut/Baghdad under occupation by US forces.

Lastly, sorry if my previous note was a bit grouchy. It&#039;s certainly true that many interesting bands with aggressive sounds (e.g., Nirvana, Fugazi) have been publicly troubled by some of the &#039;meathead&#039;/&#039;fratboy&#039;/etc. audience they attract, and I should not have suggested that there&#039;s anything wrong with anyone *else* having the sorts of qualms that the bands themselves often have had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I just checked the cd and it has lyrics for all songs except KITNO! Googling around for lyrics, people are all over the map on both lines of this couplet. At any rate, I hear what I hear, and I think the song makes good sense as a general diatribe against militarism conceived as a system of normative justifications and social behavioral control with roots in religious and racial/tribal conformism and zealotry. </p>
<p>My understanding is that up until end of the &#8217;90s the LAPD ran a semi-military (&#8216;urban pacification&#8217;) model of policing that tried to make do with relatively few officers overall (relative to the population size they had 1/4 the cops of NYC IIRC), but then to deploy massive, overwhelming force in rapid response to outbreaks of violence etc.. That model&#8217;s supposed to have been replaced by a more conventional neighborhood policing model, but go <a href="http://www.joinlapd.com/military.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.joinlapd.com/military.html?referer=');">here</a> to confirm that the LAPD&#8217;s connection to the military is nonetheless still very strong. E.g.,<br />
<i>LAPD officers that are military veterans are highly encouraged to wear their military ribbons on their LAPD uniform.</i><br />
Anyhow, this is the level at which I took Rage&#8217;s more general points to connect up with LAPD stuff. Rage shared with NWA et al. an image of East LA as Beirut/Baghdad under occupation by US forces.</p>
<p>Lastly, sorry if my previous note was a bit grouchy. It&#8217;s certainly true that many interesting bands with aggressive sounds (e.g., Nirvana, Fugazi) have been publicly troubled by some of the &#8216;meathead&#8217;/'fratboy&#8217;/etc. audience they attract, and I should not have suggested that there&#8217;s anything wrong with anyone *else* having the sorts of qualms that the bands themselves often have had.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666444</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes, there was an awful lot of social aversion going on! On both sides, in fairness: the RATM dancers would be scowling in the shadows for the entire rest of the evening once they&#039;d got their &quot;fuck you&quot;s out the way (except when Nirvana came on). &quot;Who is telling you to do stuff?&quot; doesn&#039;t seem to me to be an ENTIRELY cynical question when confronted with a mass response to &quot;Killing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, there was an awful lot of social aversion going on! On both sides, in fairness: the RATM dancers would be scowling in the shadows for the entire rest of the evening once they&#8217;d got their &#8220;fuck you&#8221;s out the way (except when Nirvana came on). &#8220;Who is telling you to do stuff?&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem to me to be an ENTIRELY cynical question when confronted with a mass response to &#8220;Killing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666440</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah isn&#039;t the idea of the song to equate the police and the KKK - suggesting that the LAPD includes far right elements? (A pretty credible suggestion)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah isn&#8217;t the idea of the song to equate the police and the KKK &#8211; suggesting that the LAPD includes far right elements? (A pretty credible suggestion)</p>
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		<title>By: Al Ewing</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666426</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was &#039;burn crosses&#039;?</description>
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		<title>By: swanstep</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666414</link>
		<dc:creator>swanstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much that #46, Steve Mannion says, but I&#039;d add that what comes through loudest and clearest from various anti-Rage out-bursts above (top marks to #17,Lex&#039;s &#039;embarrassing, ancient joke band&#039;!) is something like social aversion, disgust, and contempt. Somebody felt distinctly superior to someone else. 

Follow Tom&#039;s template:
&#039;Heroes&#039; plays, gets a response, and someone scowls from the shadows YOU&#039;RE NOT HEROES YOU ARE OXFORD UNIVERSITY STUDENTS DRINKING TWO QUID SNAKEBITE AT AN INDIE DISCO.
Dre plays, gets a response, and someone scowls YOUR FINGERZ AREN&#039;T ON ANY TRIGGERZ YOU ARE OXFORD UNIVERSITY STUDENTS DRINKING TWO QUID SNAKEBITE AT AN INDIE DISCO. 
And so on. How depressing. I assume we&#039;ve all been there, but it&#039;s not pretty. 

I somehow managed to avoid any particular social associations with Rage and encountered them pretty strictly as music, from which perspective KITNO feels pretty awesome. It reminds me a lot of the Who&#039;s &#039;I can see for miles&#039; in terms of its basic energy level, and distinctiveness - the sense that nobody else plays together like this. And KITNO&#039;s lyrics are certainly no more vague than ICSFM&#039;s. That lead-off repeated couplet, &#039;Some of those at work forces/Are the same that bore crosses&#039;, in particular, resonates pretty strongly these days after a decade of Blair and Bush. (The couplet also makes the song a little subversive for xmas.) Ironically, it may resonate in future even more strongly as theological/eschatological terms seep into all the anguish around climate change, where it&#039;s Rage&#039;s WTO-protesting children carrying the crosses and summoning righteousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much that #46, Steve Mannion says, but I&#8217;d add that what comes through loudest and clearest from various anti-Rage out-bursts above (top marks to #17,Lex&#8217;s &#8216;embarrassing, ancient joke band&#8217;!) is something like social aversion, disgust, and contempt. Somebody felt distinctly superior to someone else. </p>
<p>Follow Tom&#8217;s template:<br />
&#8216;Heroes&#8217; plays, gets a response, and someone scowls from the shadows YOU&#8217;RE NOT HEROES YOU ARE OXFORD UNIVERSITY STUDENTS DRINKING TWO QUID SNAKEBITE AT AN INDIE DISCO.<br />
Dre plays, gets a response, and someone scowls YOUR FINGERZ AREN&#8217;T ON ANY TRIGGERZ YOU ARE OXFORD UNIVERSITY STUDENTS DRINKING TWO QUID SNAKEBITE AT AN INDIE DISCO.<br />
And so on. How depressing. I assume we&#8217;ve all been there, but it&#8217;s not pretty. </p>
<p>I somehow managed to avoid any particular social associations with Rage and encountered them pretty strictly as music, from which perspective KITNO feels pretty awesome. It reminds me a lot of the Who&#8217;s &#8216;I can see for miles&#8217; in terms of its basic energy level, and distinctiveness &#8211; the sense that nobody else plays together like this. And KITNO&#8217;s lyrics are certainly no more vague than ICSFM&#8217;s. That lead-off repeated couplet, &#8216;Some of those at work forces/Are the same that bore crosses&#8217;, in particular, resonates pretty strongly these days after a decade of Blair and Bush. (The couplet also makes the song a little subversive for xmas.) Ironically, it may resonate in future even more strongly as theological/eschatological terms seep into all the anguish around climate change, where it&#8217;s Rage&#8217;s WTO-protesting children carrying the crosses and summoning righteousness.</p>
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		<title>By: CarsmileSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarsmileSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RATM 40k ahead on the midweeks apparently, 250k to 210k</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Mannion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, to defend RATM somewhat, you can pretty much accuse any angry shouty rockers as just being juvenile impressionable melodramatists or whatever. But 13-14 is the age where a lot of people start realising and getting angry about the state of things, and not unreasonably in many cases. It&#039;s not like KITN is actually about personal/trivial problems, tho it is annoyingly vague. The inanity is less of an issue considering the company this song kept in the charts then and now.

Rather than being nostalgic for the supposed &#039;Christmas #1 importance/battle excitement&#039; I&#039;m almost ending up nostalgic for  non-joke songs this angry (convincingly, justifiably or not) being hits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, to defend RATM somewhat, you can pretty much accuse any angry shouty rockers as just being juvenile impressionable melodramatists or whatever. But 13-14 is the age where a lot of people start realising and getting angry about the state of things, and not unreasonably in many cases. It&#8217;s not like KITN is actually about personal/trivial problems, tho it is annoyingly vague. The inanity is less of an issue considering the company this song kept in the charts then and now.</p>
<p>Rather than being nostalgic for the supposed &#8216;Christmas #1 importance/battle excitement&#8217; I&#8217;m almost ending up nostalgic for  non-joke songs this angry (convincingly, justifiably or not) being hits.</p>
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		<title>By: thefatgit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666301</link>
		<dc:creator>thefatgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The South of England&#039;s oldest surviving rock club, The Agincourt on the A30 at Camberley, still plays KITN every Saturday. Resident DJ Brad Garrood encourages everyone to flip the bird at him at the &quot;F**k you I won&#039;t do what you tell me&quot; bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The South of England&#8217;s oldest surviving rock club, The Agincourt on the A30 at Camberley, still plays KITN every Saturday. Resident DJ Brad Garrood encourages everyone to flip the bird at him at the &#8220;F**k you I won&#8217;t do what you tell me&#8221; bit.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyPandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyPandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This rubbish getting publicity 16 years after it should have been forgotten - what a bloody nightmare: surely the track by RATM is the musical equivalent of a particularly immature 13 or 14 year old stamping his feet at his mum and dad because they won&#039;t let him have his way.

Probably fitting really as I should imagine most of RATM&#039;s audience were rather embarrassing adolescents who as recently as the early 1990s still thought there was something daring about swearing on a record.


I might even have to buy this Joe McElderry thing now...and isn&#039;t that just it though in that far from damaging Simon Cowell&#039;s empire this campaign just gives it even more publicity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This rubbish getting publicity 16 years after it should have been forgotten &#8211; what a bloody nightmare: surely the track by RATM is the musical equivalent of a particularly immature 13 or 14 year old stamping his feet at his mum and dad because they won&#8217;t let him have his way.</p>
<p>Probably fitting really as I should imagine most of RATM&#8217;s audience were rather embarrassing adolescents who as recently as the early 1990s still thought there was something daring about swearing on a record.</p>
<p>I might even have to buy this Joe McElderry thing now&#8230;and isn&#8217;t that just it though in that far from damaging Simon Cowell&#8217;s empire this campaign just gives it even more publicity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought about changing it to one fifty but it scanned better and the coven prices WERE a rip off so two would not have surprised me.</description>
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		<title>By: CarsmileSteve</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666129</link>
		<dc:creator>CarsmileSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pogues and kirsty?
darkness?

Tom, if you were paying TWO QUID for a pint of snakebite you were going to the wrong discos. deffo shouldn&#039;t be more than a quid fifty, ideally 70p...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pogues and kirsty?<br />
darkness?</p>
<p>Tom, if you were paying TWO QUID for a pint of snakebite you were going to the wrong discos. deffo shouldn&#8217;t be more than a quid fifty, ideally 70p&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mannion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to know what festive chart battles people actually have in mind when they are being nostalgic for them. Can&#039;t think of any that were particularly exciting or interesting personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to know what festive chart battles people actually have in mind when they are being nostalgic for them. Can&#8217;t think of any that were particularly exciting or interesting personally.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Morter</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666115</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Morter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our original idea, joking about my husband and I, just thought how funny if it would be if it got to number one.  A classic song in it&#039;s genre and has a controversial history (Bruno Brookes accidentally playing the explicit version).
We are also terribly nostalgic for the festive chart topper race of our childhoods.  Even if they were cheesey (and we love a bit of cheesey music) we loved it, the whole excitement of watching TOTP on Christmas day is a big part of our childhood memories.  Again this ties in with buying in on the experience.
Obviously a whole lot more has been read into the campaign though.
It wasn&#039;t like we expected people to join, let alone this many!
We&#039;ve really enjoyed seeing other artists and songs get support for the top spot too and raising so much for Shelter.
This is nothing malicious at all against the contestants or those who enjoy the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our original idea, joking about my husband and I, just thought how funny if it would be if it got to number one.  A classic song in it&#8217;s genre and has a controversial history (Bruno Brookes accidentally playing the explicit version).<br />
We are also terribly nostalgic for the festive chart topper race of our childhoods.  Even if they were cheesey (and we love a bit of cheesey music) we loved it, the whole excitement of watching TOTP on Christmas day is a big part of our childhood memories.  Again this ties in with buying in on the experience.<br />
Obviously a whole lot more has been read into the campaign though.<br />
It wasn&#8217;t like we expected people to join, let alone this many!<br />
We&#8217;ve really enjoyed seeing other artists and songs get support for the top spot too and raising so much for Shelter.<br />
This is nothing malicious at all against the contestants or those who enjoy the music.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mannion</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666108</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the horror and fear of 9/11 my first jokey thought about the whole thing was &quot;Oh no RATM will become relevant again!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the horror and fear of 9/11 my first jokey thought about the whole thing was &#8220;Oh no RATM will become relevant again!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Sony versus Sony thing is nonsense, incidentally. The media and the Rage haters have raised this as an issue with the campaign, but they&#039;ve misunderstood the purpose of this campaign. In any case, let&#039;s face it, the music industry has condensed to the point where nearly every song in the charts every week comes from one of about three or four powerhouse labels. I suppose the campaigners could have plumped for a track on a genuinely independent label but that wouldn&#039;t have satisfied the objectives, in the sense that the aim was best served by using a song which already has an established level of popularity. Choosing KITN over another Rage song (perhaps &#039;Wake Up&#039; or &#039;Bulls On Parade&#039; or &#039;Sleep Now In The Fire&#039;) makes sense if your only aim is preventing X-Factor from getting to #1.

If it was genuinely about sticking it to &#039;the man&#039; (i.e. Sony), the alternative would have been to campaign for all the Cowell-haters to illegally download the X-Factor song. But that would have served no benefit whatsoever, in that the X-Factor song would still have got to #1, and Sony&#039;s revenues would have been unaffected. Better yet, try and persuade people who would have bought the song to instead download it illegally.

As for the &#039;are Rage any good at all?&#039; question, you&#039;re all perfectly entitled to your opinion, and I can understand that they are something of a Marmite band, but I happen to think they&#039;re brilliant. &#039;The Battle of Los Angeles&#039; was a phenomenal album, and they were terrific at Leeds and Reading back in 2000, just before they split up. The Generation X anarchist act sometimes seemed a little contrived, but is it any worse a way of selling records than the Cowell method? Are Rage any less entitled to try and spread their political message through music than, say, Billy Bragg?

Also, Tom Morello is one of the Top 5 guitarists of all time. Fact. People should buy this record to honour his talents if nothing else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Sony versus Sony thing is nonsense, incidentally. The media and the Rage haters have raised this as an issue with the campaign, but they&#8217;ve misunderstood the purpose of this campaign. In any case, let&#8217;s face it, the music industry has condensed to the point where nearly every song in the charts every week comes from one of about three or four powerhouse labels. I suppose the campaigners could have plumped for a track on a genuinely independent label but that wouldn&#8217;t have satisfied the objectives, in the sense that the aim was best served by using a song which already has an established level of popularity. Choosing KITN over another Rage song (perhaps &#8216;Wake Up&#8217; or &#8216;Bulls On Parade&#8217; or &#8216;Sleep Now In The Fire&#8217;) makes sense if your only aim is preventing X-Factor from getting to #1.</p>
<p>If it was genuinely about sticking it to &#8216;the man&#8217; (i.e. Sony), the alternative would have been to campaign for all the Cowell-haters to illegally download the X-Factor song. But that would have served no benefit whatsoever, in that the X-Factor song would still have got to #1, and Sony&#8217;s revenues would have been unaffected. Better yet, try and persuade people who would have bought the song to instead download it illegally.</p>
<p>As for the &#8216;are Rage any good at all?&#8217; question, you&#8217;re all perfectly entitled to your opinion, and I can understand that they are something of a Marmite band, but I happen to think they&#8217;re brilliant. &#8216;The Battle of Los Angeles&#8217; was a phenomenal album, and they were terrific at Leeds and Reading back in 2000, just before they split up. The Generation X anarchist act sometimes seemed a little contrived, but is it any worse a way of selling records than the Cowell method? Are Rage any less entitled to try and spread their political message through music than, say, Billy Bragg?</p>
<p>Also, Tom Morello is one of the Top 5 guitarists of all time. Fact. People should buy this record to honour his talents if nothing else!</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666097</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two terrible singles. God, Rage Against the Machine have dated badly like so much early 90s grunge and indie rock music.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Sony were behind the entire campaign, although that is crediting their marketing people with a fair bit of ingenuity. It&#039;s entirely plausible though as not only was last year&#039;s Buckley effort a Sony/Sony thing as someone pointed out earlier, there is plenty of dislike for Syco within Sony - pissing off Cowell and making loads of money in the process. Sounds like a win win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two terrible singles. God, Rage Against the Machine have dated badly like so much early 90s grunge and indie rock music.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Sony were behind the entire campaign, although that is crediting their marketing people with a fair bit of ingenuity. It&#8217;s entirely plausible though as not only was last year&#8217;s Buckley effort a Sony/Sony thing as someone pointed out earlier, there is plenty of dislike for Syco within Sony &#8211; pissing off Cowell and making loads of money in the process. Sounds like a win win.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666096</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;see even that I can get behind - who wants to do their homework man? - what I found at the time was that the song was taken up without even those specifics (let alone its howl of frustration vs police racism) and very quickly became a thing of pure sentiment. NOBODY IS TELLING YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU ARE OXFORD UNIVERSITY STUDENTS DRINKING TWO QUID SNAKEBITE AT AN INDIE DISCO sorry sorry I&#039;ll calm down now.

This whole thing is quite therapeutic actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;see even that I can get behind &#8211; who wants to do their homework man? &#8211; what I found at the time was that the song was taken up without even those specifics (let alone its howl of frustration vs police racism) and very quickly became a thing of pure sentiment. NOBODY IS TELLING YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU ARE OXFORD UNIVERSITY STUDENTS DRINKING TWO QUID SNAKEBITE AT AN INDIE DISCO sorry sorry I&#8217;ll calm down now.</p>
<p>This whole thing is quite therapeutic actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Smart</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666094</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KITNO&#039;s rejection of the military-industrial complex is - I would imagine - a nuance lost on most of the song&#039;s listeners then and now, for whom NOT DOING WHAT YOU TELL THEM! relates to more immediate and less abstract concerns, such as homework or tidying their rooms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KITNO&#8217;s rejection of the military-industrial complex is &#8211; I would imagine &#8211; a nuance lost on most of the song&#8217;s listeners then and now, for whom NOT DOING WHAT YOU TELL THEM! relates to more immediate and less abstract concerns, such as homework or tidying their rooms.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666089</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex&#039;s points are well made - I found Joe a likeable reality TV contestant, a natural 3rd-placer who had the good fortune to be able to hold a tune in a duff year for the X Factor. He would have been a shoo-in for that &quot;search for a Joseph&quot; thing the BBC did for instance. But actually wanting HIM to get to #1 is a bit crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex&#8217;s points are well made &#8211; I found Joe a likeable reality TV contestant, a natural 3rd-placer who had the good fortune to be able to hold a tune in a duff year for the X Factor. He would have been a shoo-in for that &#8220;search for a Joseph&#8221; thing the BBC did for instance. But actually wanting HIM to get to #1 is a bit crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: McShank</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/selling-in-the-name-of/#comment-666086</link>
		<dc:creator>McShank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of me really wants to see RATM win just to see whether or not it can start phenomena of its own. I can see it now, each year the adolescent, anti-corporate (ROFL) denizens of facebook lining up and signing up for a range of excitingly &quot;anti-pop&quot; anthems. I conceive of dozens of groups all vying for their spot as main contender via the wax and wane of facebook groups: The &quot;RUN DMC - Christmas in Hollis&quot; group collapses so all it&#039;s members flock to the &quot;John Cage - 4:33&quot;. 

It&#039;d be like an interesting version of the Tory party leadership race.

Finally, they&#039;ll each select their winner and we get to see which audience packs more buying/voting clout for that year, creating a kind of meta-talent contest of it&#039;s very own. IT&#039;LL BE GREAT!!!

One other point though, if this was really supposed to be a reaction against corporate pop, wouldn&#039;t it have made more sense to pick a tune on an independent label. Buh! Better luck next year :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of me really wants to see RATM win just to see whether or not it can start phenomena of its own. I can see it now, each year the adolescent, anti-corporate (ROFL) denizens of facebook lining up and signing up for a range of excitingly &#8220;anti-pop&#8221; anthems. I conceive of dozens of groups all vying for their spot as main contender via the wax and wane of facebook groups: The &#8220;RUN DMC &#8211; Christmas in Hollis&#8221; group collapses so all it&#8217;s members flock to the &#8220;John Cage &#8211; 4:33&#8243;. </p>
<p>It&#8217;d be like an interesting version of the Tory party leadership race.</p>
<p>Finally, they&#8217;ll each select their winner and we get to see which audience packs more buying/voting clout for that year, creating a kind of meta-talent contest of it&#8217;s very own. IT&#8217;LL BE GREAT!!!</p>
<p>One other point though, if this was really supposed to be a reaction against corporate pop, wouldn&#8217;t it have made more sense to pick a tune on an independent label. Buh! Better luck next year :D</p>
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