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	<title>Comments on: MADONNA &#8211; &#8220;Papa Don&#8217;t Preach&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/madonna-papa-dont-preach/#comment-691407</link>
		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason I haven’t got around to commenting on this yet.  Although Lex at #11 is spot on about Madonna going to the next level as star, icon and life-consultant for a generation; and Michael H at #36 is spot on too when he says it’s not “about something”, it’s about someONE – a character nicely sketched and shown in the round, with influences surrounding her from friends, family and knocker-up, beset by hard choices but knowing that in the end the choice will be hers and she’ll stick to it.  Dare I say, Girl Power?  A terrific record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason I haven’t got around to commenting on this yet.  Although Lex at #11 is spot on about Madonna going to the next level as star, icon and life-consultant for a generation; and Michael H at #36 is spot on too when he says it’s not “about something”, it’s about someONE – a character nicely sketched and shown in the round, with influences surrounding her from friends, family and knocker-up, beset by hard choices but knowing that in the end the choice will be hers and she’ll stick to it.  Dare I say, Girl Power?  A terrific record.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooksie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooksie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jonnyk: You&#039;re right, Tom made a mistake above - the line isn&#039;t a command, it&#039;s a statement; &quot;Daddy daddy if you could only see / just how good he&#039;s been treating me / you&#039;d give us your blessing right now / &#039;cause we are in love&quot;.

@ Matthew H: The soundtracks and remix album were to buy her some time while she took a well-earned break and worked on her next album. Incidentally, &#039;You Can Dance&#039; has the song &#039;Spotlight&#039; which she recorded for - and left off - &#039;True Blue&#039;, and it&#039;s a cracking song.

Madonna was very much about controversy even back then, and she clearly had the pop-knowledge to see that a song about a teen pregnancy would resonate with her fans &lt;I&gt;and&lt;/I&gt; give her some headlines. She was clearly trying to step up in terms of maturity after the &#039;adult&#039; ballad &#039;Live To Tell&#039;, and everything on PDP - from the strings to the subject matter - was designed to show it.

I&#039;m really surprised nobody has drawn a line to her other &#039;controversial&#039; song just 18 months earlier, &#039;Like A Virgin&#039;: There we have Madonna - all puppy fat and squeaks - singing about sexual intercourse with someone that makes it feel like &quot;The very first time&quot;. Here we are the next year and she&#039;s - uh-oh! Pregnant! She herself probably understood this connection. She had managed to rope in the teenage audience of &#039;85 by making them feel &#039;naughty&#039;, and here she was many months later attempting to keep them interested by being naughty &lt;I&gt;and&lt;/I&gt; mature. It worked. She stayed a star and managed to build on her fame. &#039;86 was the year pop shed itself of the also-rans. True Blue was the first post-Thriller pop &#039;event&#039; album. After &#039;86 it would be the US stars - with all the money the US record companies have to throw at them - that would endure as international icons (with one exception). Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Whitney Houston... and George Michael, were all pop stars in a &lt;I&gt;different&lt;/I&gt; league. 

I like PDP; it&#039;s a strong pop single from a strong pop album, and it has that hint of controversy that Madonna used a lot. An understandably instant hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jonnyk: You&#8217;re right, Tom made a mistake above &#8211; the line isn&#8217;t a command, it&#8217;s a statement; &#8220;Daddy daddy if you could only see / just how good he&#8217;s been treating me / you&#8217;d give us your blessing right now / &#8217;cause we are in love&#8221;.</p>
<p>@ Matthew H: The soundtracks and remix album were to buy her some time while she took a well-earned break and worked on her next album. Incidentally, &#8216;You Can Dance&#8217; has the song &#8216;Spotlight&#8217; which she recorded for &#8211; and left off &#8211; &#8216;True Blue&#8217;, and it&#8217;s a cracking song.</p>
<p>Madonna was very much about controversy even back then, and she clearly had the pop-knowledge to see that a song about a teen pregnancy would resonate with her fans <i>and</i> give her some headlines. She was clearly trying to step up in terms of maturity after the &#8216;adult&#8217; ballad &#8216;Live To Tell&#8217;, and everything on PDP &#8211; from the strings to the subject matter &#8211; was designed to show it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really surprised nobody has drawn a line to her other &#8216;controversial&#8217; song just 18 months earlier, &#8216;Like A Virgin&#8217;: There we have Madonna &#8211; all puppy fat and squeaks &#8211; singing about sexual intercourse with someone that makes it feel like &#8220;The very first time&#8221;. Here we are the next year and she&#8217;s &#8211; uh-oh! Pregnant! She herself probably understood this connection. She had managed to rope in the teenage audience of &#8217;85 by making them feel &#8216;naughty&#8217;, and here she was many months later attempting to keep them interested by being naughty <i>and</i> mature. It worked. She stayed a star and managed to build on her fame. &#8217;86 was the year pop shed itself of the also-rans. True Blue was the first post-Thriller pop &#8216;event&#8217; album. After &#8217;86 it would be the US stars &#8211; with all the money the US record companies have to throw at them &#8211; that would endure as international icons (with one exception). Michael Jackson, Madonna, Prince, Whitney Houston&#8230; and George Michael, were all pop stars in a <i>different</i> league. </p>
<p>I like PDP; it&#8217;s a strong pop single from a strong pop album, and it has that hint of controversy that Madonna used a lot. An understandably instant hit.</p>
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		<title>By: jonnyk</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/madonna-papa-dont-preach/#comment-666793</link>
		<dc:creator>jonnyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;ve been mishearing it all these years but I don&#039;t think she sings &#039;You give us your blessing right now&#039; as a command - isn&#039;t it &#039;daddy if you could only see/just how good he&#039;s been treating me/you&#039;d give us your blessing right now&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ve been mishearing it all these years but I don&#8217;t think she sings &#8216;You give us your blessing right now&#8217; as a command &#8211; isn&#8217;t it &#8216;daddy if you could only see/just how good he&#8217;s been treating me/you&#8217;d give us your blessing right now&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t the string intro used on a Vauxhall ad campaign sometime in the late &#039;90s/early &#039;00s?

I&#039;d agree with Tom&#039;s 9/10, the urgency of the music and the performance work well for me - it&#039;s maybe not quite as good as preceding single &#039;Live To Tell&#039; though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the string intro used on a Vauxhall ad campaign sometime in the late &#8217;90s/early &#8217;00s?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree with Tom&#8217;s 9/10, the urgency of the music and the performance work well for me &#8211; it&#8217;s maybe not quite as good as preceding single &#8216;Live To Tell&#8217; though.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such an immense record; Madonna sounding like she actually means it, the mini-movie of a video, the tangible step up from 1985&#039;s saucy pop onslaught. The True Blue album feels hot to me - maybe it was a sweltering summer, or maybe it was because I was 14 and sort of, erm, stirring. She was the bee&#039;s knees then, so it was with horror that I thought she&#039;d torpedoed herself with remix albums and ropey soundtracks over the next couple of years. OK, I guess we&#039;ll come to that, and the recovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such an immense record; Madonna sounding like she actually means it, the mini-movie of a video, the tangible step up from 1985&#8242;s saucy pop onslaught. The True Blue album feels hot to me &#8211; maybe it was a sweltering summer, or maybe it was because I was 14 and sort of, erm, stirring. She was the bee&#8217;s knees then, so it was with horror that I thought she&#8217;d torpedoed herself with remix albums and ropey soundtracks over the next couple of years. OK, I guess we&#8217;ll come to that, and the recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: thefatgit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/madonna-papa-dont-preach/#comment-664671</link>
		<dc:creator>thefatgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@67...when the time is right we&#039;ll probably be discussing a nifty bit of business Madonna did with Coca Cola&#039;s main rival, but we don&#039;t want to wake the bunny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@67&#8230;when the time is right we&#8217;ll probably be discussing a nifty bit of business Madonna did with Coca Cola&#8217;s main rival, but we don&#8217;t want to wake the bunny!</p>
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		<title>By: Izzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sting gives that version of events in his autobiography &lt;i&gt;Broken Music&lt;/i&gt; (which is actually a pretty good read).  Needless to say it is rot - the idea that Sting has no influence with his own management company is a little difficult to believe.  I have a little sympathy with him keeping copyright in that his melody is just &#039;Don&#039;t Stand So Close To Me&#039;, so I can see why he might have wanted to keep hold of it - however, I&#039;d&#039;ve thought that if he really wanted to put things right it would be a matter of minutes, and a fee of a mere pony or two, to get his lawyers to draft something to direct the royalty Knopfler&#039;s way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sting gives that version of events in his autobiography <i>Broken Music</i> (which is actually a pretty good read).  Needless to say it is rot &#8211; the idea that Sting has no influence with his own management company is a little difficult to believe.  I have a little sympathy with him keeping copyright in that his melody is just &#8216;Don&#8217;t Stand So Close To Me&#8217;, so I can see why he might have wanted to keep hold of it &#8211; however, I&#8217;d've thought that if he really wanted to put things right it would be a matter of minutes, and a fee of a mere pony or two, to get his lawyers to draft something to direct the royalty Knopfler&#8217;s way.</p>
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		<title>By: wichita lineman</title>
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		<dc:creator>wichita lineman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 64/65: Hmmm, yes. I also heard Duffy&#039;s management (Rough Trade) were recently angry with her for doing the Coke ad that has rather diminished her monochrome, nu-Dusty cred - apparently they knew nothing about it. Shoe on the other foot, but still a barely believable excuse. I&#039;ve dealt with enough songwriters who squawk &quot;oooh, I don&#039;t deal with that side of things&quot; to avoid looking greedy. And Sting, oddly enough, isn&#039;t one to whom I&#039;d give the benefit of the doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 64/65: Hmmm, yes. I also heard Duffy&#8217;s management (Rough Trade) were recently angry with her for doing the Coke ad that has rather diminished her monochrome, nu-Dusty cred &#8211; apparently they knew nothing about it. Shoe on the other foot, but still a barely believable excuse. I&#8217;ve dealt with enough songwriters who squawk &#8220;oooh, I don&#8217;t deal with that side of things&#8221; to avoid looking greedy. And Sting, oddly enough, isn&#8217;t one to whom I&#8217;d give the benefit of the doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Lena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help it, I feel I have to post this here, punctum mentioned it and I&#039;ve gotta post it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXXno7R5XY

I&#039;m not much for the &quot;PLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSE&quot; but then I&#039;m not much for this album in the first place, it was as if getting married had made her more normal (in the Kirsty Young sense) than was good for her art.  Not her success, obv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help it, I feel I have to post this here, punctum mentioned it and I&#8217;ve gotta post it:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXXno7R5XY" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXXno7R5XY&amp;referer=');">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXXno7R5XY</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much for the &#8220;PLLLLLEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSE&#8221; but then I&#8217;m not much for this album in the first place, it was as if getting married had made her more normal (in the Kirsty Young sense) than was good for her art.  Not her success, obv.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s usually the management, even if only to keep the artist looking nice, as so often happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s usually the management, even if only to keep the artist looking nice, as so often happens.</p>
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		<title>By: James K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>James K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witchita Lineman: The version I heard was that Sting&#039;s management company insisted on the credit and Sting was embarrassed.  I don&#039;t know if that makes any logical sense, now that I think about it, so it could be an after the fact &quot;No, no, I&#039;m not a bad guy&quot; defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witchita Lineman: The version I heard was that Sting&#8217;s management company insisted on the credit and Sting was embarrassed.  I don&#8217;t know if that makes any logical sense, now that I think about it, so it could be an after the fact &#8220;No, no, I&#8217;m not a bad guy&#8221; defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m off on holiday - FLEEING from the next #1 - it&#039;ll be up on Thursday so revive away in the meantime!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m off on holiday &#8211; FLEEING from the next #1 &#8211; it&#8217;ll be up on Thursday so revive away in the meantime!</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to &#039;Sugar don&#039;t bite&#039;:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPf0jCF1wHQ

That is truly dire on so many levels.

I wasn&#039;t aware of the plagiarism suit - it seems a superficial similarity to me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to &#8216;Sugar don&#8217;t bite&#8217;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPf0jCF1wHQ" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPf0jCF1wHQ&amp;referer=');">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPf0jCF1wHQ</a></p>
<p>That is truly dire on so many levels.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware of the plagiarism suit &#8211; it seems a superficial similarity to me</p>
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		<title>By: fivelongdays</title>
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		<dc:creator>fivelongdays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re talking about crap songs with great intros, I nominate &quot;Yellow&quot; by Coldplay. 30 seconds of indie-genius, followed by four minutes of indie-crappery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re talking about crap songs with great intros, I nominate &#8220;Yellow&#8221; by Coldplay. 30 seconds of indie-genius, followed by four minutes of indie-crappery.</p>
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		<title>By: loomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>loomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little known fact about PDP is that Madonna was sued for plagiarising &quot;Sugar Don&#039;t Bite&quot; by Sam Harris, a hit 2 years earlier.

Not sure how to do the html code, but his video is on youtube, the spam protector is not letting me post the link or even register for some reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little known fact about PDP is that Madonna was sued for plagiarising &#8220;Sugar Don&#8217;t Bite&#8221; by Sam Harris, a hit 2 years earlier.</p>
<p>Not sure how to do the html code, but his video is on youtube, the spam protector is not letting me post the link or even register for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the pregnancy theme, has anyone done a mash-up of this with Billie Jean?</description>
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		<title>By: TomLane</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomLane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 for 2 weeks in the U.S., I thought it was tops longer but so be it.  Another one of Madonna&#039;s iconic singles, but not my favorite by her.    For once I agree with T. Ewing&#039;s grade.  A 9 sounds about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 for 2 weeks in the U.S., I thought it was tops longer but so be it.  Another one of Madonna&#8217;s iconic singles, but not my favorite by her.    For once I agree with T. Ewing&#8217;s grade.  A 9 sounds about right.</p>
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		<title>By: swanstep</title>
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		<dc:creator>swanstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@50, Wichita. The strings are real on &#039;Take me with U&#039;, &#039;Purple rain&#039; etc.. The Purple Rain album lists the cello, violin, viola players, credits the arrangements jointly to Prince and Lisa, but saucily gives Lisa and Wendy the joint conducting credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@50, Wichita. The strings are real on &#8216;Take me with U&#8217;, &#8216;Purple rain&#8217; etc.. The Purple Rain album lists the cello, violin, viola players, credits the arrangements jointly to Prince and Lisa, but saucily gives Lisa and Wendy the joint conducting credit.</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and BTW re 50 - Prince used veteran jazz arranger Clare Fischer this year (1986) to produce some quite woozy string arrangements for Parade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and BTW re 50 &#8211; Prince used veteran jazz arranger Clare Fischer this year (1986) to produce some quite woozy string arrangements for Parade.</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 54 Good choice - particularly the adagio - perhaps we can call this the String Theory thread</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 54 Good choice &#8211; particularly the adagio &#8211; perhaps we can call this the String Theory thread</p>
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		<title>By: thefatgit</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefatgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk of strings made me go off and listen to Mahler&#039;s 5th.</description>
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		<title>By: swanstep</title>
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		<dc:creator>swanstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@41, Tom. Thanks for that link back to a prior ace-intro discussion. Billy Smart&#039;s point about, e.g., Daft Punk looping great opening patterns (just 2 bars in the case of Digital love IIRC) is great.

@49, Steve. The strings don&#039;t sound especially synthetic to me either. Punctum above seemed to suggest that the strings are real later on, i.e., in the middle eight and thereafter. Can anyone confirm this? They sound the same to me, and, in general, it would be a bit odd to pay for a bunch of string-players and then not use them (except possibly as a sample source) for your big F-minor intro.

Utterly unrelated point: the font on the single sleeve reminded me of The Mary Tyler Moore Show font (a big influence on any &#039;70s childhood!). Comparing images now, the font&#039;s not *that* close,  but there&#039;s something there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@41, Tom. Thanks for that link back to a prior ace-intro discussion. Billy Smart&#8217;s point about, e.g., Daft Punk looping great opening patterns (just 2 bars in the case of Digital love IIRC) is great.</p>
<p>@49, Steve. The strings don&#8217;t sound especially synthetic to me either. Punctum above seemed to suggest that the strings are real later on, i.e., in the middle eight and thereafter. Can anyone confirm this? They sound the same to me, and, in general, it would be a bit odd to pay for a bunch of string-players and then not use them (except possibly as a sample source) for your big F-minor intro.</p>
<p>Utterly unrelated point: the font on the single sleeve reminded me of The Mary Tyler Moore Show font (a big influence on any &#8217;70s childhood!). Comparing images now, the font&#8217;s not *that* close,  but there&#8217;s something there.</p>
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		<title>By: Izzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do quite like the string intro, but I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s particularly special in itself.  What&#039;s really terrific is the transition from the strings into the rest of the song - the string melody builds to its peak, thump, and straight into the song proper.  It&#039;s done with great economy and craft - no sense of the strings just being tacked on for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do quite like the string intro, but I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s particularly special in itself.  What&#8217;s really terrific is the transition from the strings into the rest of the song &#8211; the string melody builds to its peak, thump, and straight into the song proper.  It&#8217;s done with great economy and craft &#8211; no sense of the strings just being tacked on for me.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyPandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyPandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it could be said that many instrumental trance tracks are ALL intro until three-quarters of the way in the breakdown arrives...</description>
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		<title>By: wichita lineman</title>
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		<dc:creator>wichita lineman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prince would have made them faker, I think, though I&#039;m now immediately struggling to think of a song where he actually did good fake strings (I&#039;m guesing they&#039;re real of Take Me With U??). 

True, Steve, synth brass always sounds like a crap Roman fanfare, and some house piano sounds pretty mousey now. It does sound like &quot;house piano&quot; though, rather than an attempt to be Beethoven. 

Ahem. My nomination for pop&#039;s most exciting intro, setting up a song that never relents.... Blockbuster. And the air horns on Set You Free do a similar &quot;pay attention!&quot; job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prince would have made them faker, I think, though I&#8217;m now immediately struggling to think of a song where he actually did good fake strings (I&#8217;m guesing they&#8217;re real of Take Me With U??). </p>
<p>True, Steve, synth brass always sounds like a crap Roman fanfare, and some house piano sounds pretty mousey now. It does sound like &#8220;house piano&#8221; though, rather than an attempt to be Beethoven. </p>
<p>Ahem. My nomination for pop&#8217;s most exciting intro, setting up a song that never relents&#8230;. Blockbuster. And the air horns on Set You Free do a similar &#8220;pay attention!&#8221; job.</p>
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