Comments on: In Ragebows: Reality TV and A Future For The Charts https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts Lollards in the high church of low culture Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:01:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Railan https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-1097882 Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:01:20 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-1097882 rates trends for 15 year fixed, 5 year ARM and 1 year ARM mragtoges, visit Jay Thompson’s The Phoenix Real Estate Guy. If history repeats itself, it’s only a matter of time before 6% interest rates are long gone.

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By: Jonnie https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-867323 Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:29:46 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-867323 Woah nelly, how about them alppes!

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By: Tommy Mack https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666876 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:13:26 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666876 There is only one way to end this madness.

Ban all music!

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By: lonepilgrim https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666871 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:45:08 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666871 K-Punk weighs in on the topic here:

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/011414.html

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By: Masked Dave https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666861 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:10:48 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666861 Pitch this to the BBC. It doesn’t matter if it replaces the official top 40 or not, everyone I’ve mentioned this idea to loves it and the top 10 or 20 it’d produce every week I imagine could actually replace the ‘official’ chart.

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By: The Sunday Papers | Rock, Paper, Shotgun https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666824 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:56:57 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666824 […] Ewing has a think about the future of charts – or, at least, a future he’ll like to […]

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By: koganbot https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666740 Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:40:47 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666740 (Off-topic, but I’m wishing for Rickie Lee Jones consumer advice, if anyone wants to give it on this livejournal thread.)

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By: swanstep https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666619 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:26:30 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666619 Let there be a lottery where new dictators for the whole music ecosystem are chosen. If you are selected you get to subject everyone to your wretched band or your ipod playlist or your youtube channel or whatever you like. To (a) make sure you take the job seriously (have some serious skin in the game), and (b) ensure that horrible lottery choices get quickly purged, and (c) help the people grow quickly grow to respect any good choices the lottery throws up,and (d) make the whole thing fun and self-funding, let there be an *official assassin* (this role can be lottery-filled too, but’chosen from an elite corps’ is customary and more fun) who has to try to kill each new lottery-chosen musical dictator. The assassin is mic’ed/camera-ed up etc. so that the people get to follow both the assassin’s progress *as well* as their new musical taste-maker (who is naturally media covered all the time). There’s all sorts of suspense and participation as a genuinely popular dictator will have lots of people helping him/her elude/stop the assassin, whereas an unpopular one will effectively face an army of assassins and so won’t last a day.

[Essentially this idea is explored as alternative to democracy in PK Dick’s first novel A World of Chance a.k.a. The Solar Lottery.]

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By: lonepilgrim https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666588 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:08:08 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666588 I know Rickie Lee Jones asked her fans to ‘invest’ to cover the costs making of her last album “Balm in Gilead’* and – depending on the amount you invested – you either got a ‘free’ signed CD when it was released – or your name printed on the credits.

* and a fine album it is too

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By: wichita lineman https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666582 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:47:47 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666582 I tried to start a conversation on how TOTP could be revived a year or so ago – make it live, with the idea that you can affect the result right up to the end of the programme. You could have a play off between the midweek top 10 singles. It seems obvious to me that at least as many people would want to watch genuine stars as watch x factor’s amateur hour. Anyway, the stock BBC answer is ‘we are fulfilling our music remit, no room for any more’. Also that it would wreck radio 1’s flagship Sunday chart show.

It seems like an open goal for the BBC to me. also more people spending more money on music seems like an industry winner. Isn’t it only a matter of time before they decide to bring it back? Frank and Tom should be hired to sort out the logistics. Everybody wins!

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By: koganbot https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666565 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:34:52 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666565 From a producer’s point of view, what – or whose – product are the charts? What would be someone’s incentive for investing money in a new chart format?

British singles charts have always had a different meaning from the American, since a small number of purchasers can make a difference in Britain, hence can affect the outcome, hence purchasers will care more about a purchase’s effect on the charts – paradoxically making a song’s chart rank not all that representative of a song’s actual popularity or ability to move albums, which was what the biz’s financial game was about from 1968 until the crazy last few years; now, no one’s sure what the game is. The U.S. singles charts have never been limited to counting sales, but rather have always made radio play (and now video plays and whatnot) a main factor in the formula – though the mp3 has recently made sales larger and more significant than they’ve been in a while. Billboard has long assumed that singles sales don’t indicate a song’s popularity, given that most people’s singles-driven purchases aren’t for singles and that relying on sales would give one set of consumers (singles buyers) a disproportionate impact on the rankings – again, the next few years could be another shift, but it’s not yet clear to what.

Where the issue is buying versus stealing, I’d think that for most purchasers the psychosocial-economic behavioral motive isn’t what sort of blip heavy sales will make on the national singles charts (only a tiny percentage of records or mp3s have a chance to do this), but more what sort of effect a purchase will have on the artist’s ability to create and market more music. This is the Radiohead model more than the Reality TV model, and I’ve read that indie labels are doing a better job than the majors of getting fans to commit money to the artist, though I don’t know if that’s true. My guess is that mainstream biz efforts will be to try to figure out how to generate money through streams – either through ads connected to the streams or through subscription to a service that then awards royalties to producers and artists, though neither model has worked yet, as far as I know.

A poptimists polls-type format might be a way of generating streams!

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By: lonepilgrim https://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/12/in-ragebows-reality-tv-and-a-future-for-the-charts/comment-page-1#comment-666559 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:04:20 +0000 https://freakytrigger.co.uk/?p=16608#comment-666559 I think this sounds a great idea – I also like the way fans have given songs added value by creating their own youtube videos which, if they take off – like the Bobby Brown wedding video – help the songs sell.

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