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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/11/robotic-midsomers-murders/#comment-662360</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I quite liked the Whiteout comics original, as a low-key potboiling crime thriller. Have thought of zero things to say about the film though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I quite liked the Whiteout comics original, as a low-key potboiling crime thriller. Have thought of zero things to say about the film though.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with Whiteout, this was a comics adaptation where the usual &#039;oh but the Graphic Novel (because that is a more adult term) was so much better, they totally lost the complexity&#039; does not apply, because in both cases the comic was a) a transparent pitch for a film adaptation and b) not very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with Whiteout, this was a comics adaptation where the usual &#8216;oh but the Graphic Novel (because that is a more adult term) was so much better, they totally lost the complexity&#8217; does not apply, because in both cases the comic was a) a transparent pitch for a film adaptation and b) not very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracer Hand</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/11/robotic-midsomers-murders/#comment-660913</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracer Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my mind, you hire Bruce Willis for one facial expression, the slightly bug-eyed one that says &quot;This destruction is absurdly amusing&quot;. Tarantino knew this and gave him a couple of great scenes in which to deploy it - finding the machine gun on the kitchen counter, and looking through the weaponry at the pawn shop before settling on a Samurai sword. Die Hard is full of it. And we get it here just once, when he&#039;s driving like gangbusters after a hijacked surrogate who at one point manages to clamp herself onto his speeding car. And there it is, the bug eyes, the concealed WTFness - the Willis Look is a descendant of that line in The Thing, &quot;You gotta be fucking kidding me.&quot;

No the movie made no sense but I didn&#039;t particularly mind. It&#039;s too bad that the whole thing was premised on the old chestnut that &quot;If you die in a dream/the Matrix/whatever, you die in REAL LIFE!&quot; No you don&#039;t. You just don&#039;t. That&#039;s the entire point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my mind, you hire Bruce Willis for one facial expression, the slightly bug-eyed one that says &#8220;This destruction is absurdly amusing&#8221;. Tarantino knew this and gave him a couple of great scenes in which to deploy it &#8211; finding the machine gun on the kitchen counter, and looking through the weaponry at the pawn shop before settling on a Samurai sword. Die Hard is full of it. And we get it here just once, when he&#8217;s driving like gangbusters after a hijacked surrogate who at one point manages to clamp herself onto his speeding car. And there it is, the bug eyes, the concealed WTFness &#8211; the Willis Look is a descendant of that line in The Thing, &#8220;You gotta be fucking kidding me.&#8221;</p>
<p>No the movie made no sense but I didn&#8217;t particularly mind. It&#8217;s too bad that the whole thing was premised on the old chestnut that &#8220;If you die in a dream/the Matrix/whatever, you die in REAL LIFE!&#8221; No you don&#8217;t. You just don&#8217;t. That&#8217;s the entire point!</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Baran</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/11/robotic-midsomers-murders/#comment-660837</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Baran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to do a double review of Gamer and Surrogates cos they have so much in common. But actually they are the antithesis of each other: Surrogates is a dull film with and charismatic star, while Gamer is an exciting film with a dull star. 

When I say film in the above paragraph I mean &quot;experience&quot;. My take of Nevedine/Taylors &quot;serious&quot; film is coming up. A tough one to get a hold on cos it was almost brilliant, though its flaw was almost the same as Surrogates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to do a double review of Gamer and Surrogates cos they have so much in common. But actually they are the antithesis of each other: Surrogates is a dull film with and charismatic star, while Gamer is an exciting film with a dull star. </p>
<p>When I say film in the above paragraph I mean &#8220;experience&#8221;. My take of Nevedine/Taylors &#8220;serious&#8221; film is coming up. A tough one to get a hold on cos it was almost brilliant, though its flaw was almost the same as Surrogates.</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/11/robotic-midsomers-murders/#comment-660823</link>
		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t remember if you reviewed it but I found Gamer a far more compelling movie on a vaguely similar theme - I gave up watching Surrogates after about 20 minutes because it was so dull visually. 

There&#039;s a riff on the shit jobs avatar experience over at The Onion here:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t remember if you reviewed it but I found Gamer a far more compelling movie on a vaguely similar theme &#8211; I gave up watching Surrogates after about 20 minutes because it was so dull visually. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a riff on the shit jobs avatar experience over at The Onion here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare?referer=');">http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ultra_realistic_modern_warfare</a></p>
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		<title>By: swanstep</title>
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		<dc:creator>swanstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Because in reality with these perfect superhuman robot bodies, everyone is still doing the same shit jobs they were doing before. So the baker is now a robot baker, the cop a robot cop. And the bum, well a robot bum.&lt;/i&gt;
I agree this *sounds* like a kind of error. People tend to choose *very* glamorous/wish-fulfilling avatars of themselves for on-line worlds of various sorts, why wouldn&#039;t they (so it seems) choose just as idelaized real world avatars? The real world could then become like the world of beer ads where everyone is a model etc..

But all of that&#039;s a mistake. Total avatar-dom whether it&#039;s done in the Matrix or out in the real world probably isn&#039;t ever going to be computable/codable/done in simulation like that, rather it&#039;ll have to (just as the movies respectively suggest) function like a prosthetic.... your whole nervous system tuned to your body with all of its very specific timing and inner emulational structure will having to do all the analog computation/non-computational being-in-the-world work that can then drive the Matrix or Real World into subsequent states. In sum, it&#039;s no  accident and almost certainly physically necessary that when Neo pops out of the Matrix he has essentially the same body that he had in the Matrix, and in Surrogates (which I&#039;ve not seen) the same idea seems basically correct. Of course, as you mention, the idea that crime would end (as opposed to continuing in new forms) seems preposterous, and I&#039;m sure there are many many other problems too, but non-arbitrary/non-wish-fulfilling total avatars are a (depressing) feature not a bug!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Because in reality with these perfect superhuman robot bodies, everyone is still doing the same shit jobs they were doing before. So the baker is now a robot baker, the cop a robot cop. And the bum, well a robot bum.</i><br />
I agree this *sounds* like a kind of error. People tend to choose *very* glamorous/wish-fulfilling avatars of themselves for on-line worlds of various sorts, why wouldn&#8217;t they (so it seems) choose just as idelaized real world avatars? The real world could then become like the world of beer ads where everyone is a model etc..</p>
<p>But all of that&#8217;s a mistake. Total avatar-dom whether it&#8217;s done in the Matrix or out in the real world probably isn&#8217;t ever going to be computable/codable/done in simulation like that, rather it&#8217;ll have to (just as the movies respectively suggest) function like a prosthetic&#8230;. your whole nervous system tuned to your body with all of its very specific timing and inner emulational structure will having to do all the analog computation/non-computational being-in-the-world work that can then drive the Matrix or Real World into subsequent states. In sum, it&#8217;s no  accident and almost certainly physically necessary that when Neo pops out of the Matrix he has essentially the same body that he had in the Matrix, and in Surrogates (which I&#8217;ve not seen) the same idea seems basically correct. Of course, as you mention, the idea that crime would end (as opposed to continuing in new forms) seems preposterous, and I&#8217;m sure there are many many other problems too, but non-arbitrary/non-wish-fulfilling total avatars are a (depressing) feature not a bug!</p>
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