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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-653116</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty sure Ian Cohen is, like, 29!</description>
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		<title>By: Roque S</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-640726</link>
		<dc:creator>Roque S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo  woo for young &#039;uns!</description>
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		<title>By: Freaky Trigger &#171; Music That I Like</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-638202</link>
		<dc:creator>Freaky Trigger &#171; Music That I Like</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 03:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is an interesting attempt at writing an interesting post about a new generation of music critics. Still, what else would you expect from such a consistently interesting website? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: masonic boom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-638049</link>
		<dc:creator>masonic boom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I forgot to actually send you some names - stupid swine flu - but the best young writers about music that I know.. well, again, thing is, they&#039;re not specifically writers *about* music. They&#039;re kids, all about 17/18, obviously music is a huge part of what they do, but what&#039;s most brilliant about them is the way they write about the intersection of music and their lives in their own blogs.

A gang of girls called Yas, Rowan, Eleanor, Liz and Beccatron. They do a collective blog: http://fffap.blogspot.com/ but they never seem to update it, but the thing is, their best writing is often NOT on that blog at all (where they seem to become all formal) but in individual, sometimes even private livejournal entries.

They have adventures, they chase around the country following bands they love, having these personal experiences with the music - as well as sometimes personal interactions with the musicians that create it. I don&#039;t fetishise youth at all - quite the reverse - but they&#039;re just so bright and energetic and open to things. ROWAN in particular just has this distinctive individual voice - and then she has this double act she does with Eleanor which is just so whip-sharp.

They really make me see music in different ways - you know, I&#039;m old and cynical, and I often don&#039;t see the point of certain artists. Listening to them enthuse about - even something I&#039;m not keen on like The Horrors - it makes me understand what people see in it. I really do feel like I&#039;m listening with fresh ears when I read their stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I forgot to actually send you some names &#8211; stupid swine flu &#8211; but the best young writers about music that I know.. well, again, thing is, they&#8217;re not specifically writers *about* music. They&#8217;re kids, all about 17/18, obviously music is a huge part of what they do, but what&#8217;s most brilliant about them is the way they write about the intersection of music and their lives in their own blogs.</p>
<p>A gang of girls called Yas, Rowan, Eleanor, Liz and Beccatron. They do a collective blog: <a href="http://fffap.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/fffap.blogspot.com/?referer=');">http://fffap.blogspot.com/</a> but they never seem to update it, but the thing is, their best writing is often NOT on that blog at all (where they seem to become all formal) but in individual, sometimes even private livejournal entries.</p>
<p>They have adventures, they chase around the country following bands they love, having these personal experiences with the music &#8211; as well as sometimes personal interactions with the musicians that create it. I don&#8217;t fetishise youth at all &#8211; quite the reverse &#8211; but they&#8217;re just so bright and energetic and open to things. ROWAN in particular just has this distinctive individual voice &#8211; and then she has this double act she does with Eleanor which is just so whip-sharp.</p>
<p>They really make me see music in different ways &#8211; you know, I&#8217;m old and cynical, and I often don&#8217;t see the point of certain artists. Listening to them enthuse about &#8211; even something I&#8217;m not keen on like The Horrors &#8211; it makes me understand what people see in it. I really do feel like I&#8217;m listening with fresh ears when I read their stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned R.</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-637840</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I thought Rodney Greene was well old. Sorry Rodney! &lt;/I&gt;

A whippersnapper he.  And a damn good one.  And a great dance critic, especially when describing how critics dance.  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I thought Rodney Greene was well old. Sorry Rodney! </i></p>
<p>A whippersnapper he.  And a damn good one.  And a great dance critic, especially when describing how critics dance.  :-D</p>
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		<title>By: unlogged moggy</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-637800</link>
		<dc:creator>unlogged moggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which reminds me, I should really idk, WRITE SOME THINGS soonish. I do also write for Thrash Hits and some other places I temporarily can&#039;t remember because I am still a bit hungover.

I reiterate my point re: I thought Rodney Greene was well old. Sorry Rodney! It&#039;s weird how the internets (particularly the Jukebox) distort age; there are probably loads and loads of bloggers/writers out there under twenty five but I tend to assume everyone&#039;s older than me unless they explicitly state otherwise. This is partly because I have forgotten that I am no longer eighteen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which reminds me, I should really idk, WRITE SOME THINGS soonish. I do also write for Thrash Hits and some other places I temporarily can&#8217;t remember because I am still a bit hungover.</p>
<p>I reiterate my point re: I thought Rodney Greene was well old. Sorry Rodney! It&#8217;s weird how the internets (particularly the Jukebox) distort age; there are probably loads and loads of bloggers/writers out there under twenty five but I tend to assume everyone&#8217;s older than me unless they explicitly state otherwise. This is partly because I have forgotten that I am no longer eighteen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave would have been thrown out on veteran grounds - he created the Pitchfork effect ;)</description>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, more crit has meant more lame crit, but then of course it would; it&#039;s probably also meant more pretty good crit, but it doesn&#039;t seem to have meant more great crit.

Tom, if I&#039;d known we were allowed to cheat on age I&#039;d have nominated Dave Moore and Erika Villani. (Actually, I&#039;m not positive that Erika isn&#039;t younger than 25, but her MySpace says she&#039;s 101.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, more crit has meant more lame crit, but then of course it would; it&#8217;s probably also meant more pretty good crit, but it doesn&#8217;t seem to have meant more great crit.</p>
<p>Tom, if I&#8217;d known we were allowed to cheat on age I&#8217;d have nominated Dave Moore and Erika Villani. (Actually, I&#8217;m not positive that Erika isn&#8217;t younger than 25, but her MySpace says she&#8217;s 101.)</p>
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		<title>By: a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-637736</link>
		<dc:creator>a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;vaguely insular by its very nature&lt;/i&gt;

yes, the problem really with my valorisation of the nme was that you only had to step back a couple of steps, and look from a broader perspective, and the thing that i&#039;m saying was awesome was just the jargony chatter of the cognoscenti, that no one else seemed to understand or care about

(ps i keep hearing that the &quot;critical space&quot; is closing: is this true though? what is happening that people are saying it? obviously there are stances and ideologies that have gone out of fashion -- and magazines that have gone out of business -- but i&#039;d say there was far more crit than there was when i was a teenager: is it a &quot;bad money drives out good&quot; argument? that more crit has meant lamer crit?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>vaguely insular by its very nature</i></p>
<p>yes, the problem really with my valorisation of the nme was that you only had to step back a couple of steps, and look from a broader perspective, and the thing that i&#8217;m saying was awesome was just the jargony chatter of the cognoscenti, that no one else seemed to understand or care about</p>
<p>(ps i keep hearing that the &#8220;critical space&#8221; is closing: is this true though? what is happening that people are saying it? obviously there are stances and ideologies that have gone out of fashion &#8212; and magazines that have gone out of business &#8212; but i&#8217;d say there was far more crit than there was when i was a teenager: is it a &#8220;bad money drives out good&#8221; argument? that more crit has meant lamer crit?)</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Southall</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-637729</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Southall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 06:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Stylus &#039;model&#039; was really just to be an online magazine - it&#039;s just that we nicked a whole load of people from ILM to be contributors and so they had that context for discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Stylus &#8216;model&#8217; was really just to be an online magazine &#8211; it&#8217;s just that we nicked a whole load of people from ILM to be contributors and so they had that context for discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-637692</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not to be thanked! I&#039;m simply the clearing house for unknown benefactors! But very glad to know you have a blog Alex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not to be thanked! I&#8217;m simply the clearing house for unknown benefactors! But very glad to know you have a blog Alex.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Ostroff</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-637690</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Ostroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But the conversation happens as something secondary to the real work of the lone groover at his typewriter or keyboard. We still don’t have a great understanding of how to build spaces where brilliant conversations about music happen.&quot;

And this is a central problem, especially as space for criticism as it has existed up until now gradually disappears.  Conversation is usually more fruitful, interesting and revelatory than individual pieces.  However, even the creation of a network of continuous conversation between &#039;critics&#039;/commentators/etc. will be vaguely insular by its very nature (Hello, ILX).  How does one create a public conversation about music that is informative, engaging, not too insular for public consumption and rewarding to participants...No answers, but this seems to be the utopian ideal.  Which, honestly, sounds like something resembling Stylus and I&#039;m not sure how successful that model was in the end.

Frank (Kogan) has written some v. good pieces on this dilemma without coming to a real conclusion yet.

P.S. Thanks for the mention, Tom.  Flabbergasted, honestly, as I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;ve done anything of note.  But it&#039;s much appreciated nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But the conversation happens as something secondary to the real work of the lone groover at his typewriter or keyboard. We still don’t have a great understanding of how to build spaces where brilliant conversations about music happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>And this is a central problem, especially as space for criticism as it has existed up until now gradually disappears.  Conversation is usually more fruitful, interesting and revelatory than individual pieces.  However, even the creation of a network of continuous conversation between &#8216;critics&#8217;/commentators/etc. will be vaguely insular by its very nature (Hello, ILX).  How does one create a public conversation about music that is informative, engaging, not too insular for public consumption and rewarding to participants&#8230;No answers, but this seems to be the utopian ideal.  Which, honestly, sounds like something resembling Stylus and I&#8217;m not sure how successful that model was in the end.</p>
<p>Frank (Kogan) has written some v. good pieces on this dilemma without coming to a real conclusion yet.</p>
<p>P.S. Thanks for the mention, Tom.  Flabbergasted, honestly, as I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;ve done anything of note.  But it&#8217;s much appreciated nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to whoever nominated me! I can&#039;t believe I am too well seasoned to ne included in an under 25 list when I&#039;m only 21! I must leave the house more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to whoever nominated me! I can&#8217;t believe I am too well seasoned to ne included in an under 25 list when I&#8217;m only 21! I must leave the house more often.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/07/hip-young-gunslingers/#comment-637657</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a purely musical tip, I &lt;i&gt;highly&lt;/i&gt; recommend the Cheasleauen tracks still on the FirstUp! front page, esp &quot;Jelly&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a purely musical tip, I <i>highly</i> recommend the Cheasleauen tracks still on the FirstUp! front page, esp &#8220;Jelly&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that myspace link for Manara might be out of date, I know they&#039;ve abandoned the Faggatronix moniker - I should probably link &lt;a href=&quot;http://dot-alt.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dot Alt&lt;/a&gt;, the blog she&#039;s affiliated with but hasn&#039;t recently posted on. The other contributors to that are worth noting too - her bf Alex Bok Bok is also a DJ who happens to be a great music writer, and I think even fits into the age limit here, plus Dan Hancox who doesn&#039;t but is still a great writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that myspace link for Manara might be out of date, I know they&#8217;ve abandoned the Faggatronix moniker &#8211; I should probably link <a href="http://dot-alt.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/dot-alt.blogspot.com/?referer=');">Dot Alt</a>, the blog she&#8217;s affiliated with but hasn&#8217;t recently posted on. The other contributors to that are worth noting too &#8211; her bf Alex Bok Bok is also a DJ who happens to be a great music writer, and I think even fits into the age limit here, plus Dan Hancox who doesn&#8217;t but is still a great writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Southall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Southall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, I think Tom, is the great thing about ILM; it may look like it&#039;s still 1998 and occaisonally be a war zone, but it allows communication in a way we&#039;re still learning how to deal with. Most of my noughties music writing memories come from there. 

I&#039;m also filled with a warm glow that so many of these names are Stylus alumni. I hoe Todd is reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, I think Tom, is the great thing about ILM; it may look like it&#8217;s still 1998 and occaisonally be a war zone, but it allows communication in a way we&#8217;re still learning how to deal with. Most of my noughties music writing memories come from there. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also filled with a warm glow that so many of these names are Stylus alumni. I hoe Todd is reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Maybe worth pointing out that the REASON we know Hazel R is that she turned up in our pop community one day and was awesome.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Maybe worth pointing out that the REASON we know Hazel R is that she turned up in our pop community one day and was awesome.)</p>
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