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	<title>Comments on: SF Writers: China Mieville</title>
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		<title>By: Matt W</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/sf-writers-china-mieville/#comment-611634</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO Iron Council is the best of his three Bas Lag books.  The prose (already great in PSS and The Scar) truly shines here.  It&#039;s written more like a fable than a novel.  And how could you not love the return of the Weaver, all of the fantastic golems Judah makes, and a visit to the Cacotopic Stain?  I think it&#039;s actually a good thing that it&#039;s more overtly political than the other two; it fits with Dr. Mieville&#039;s assertions about how spec-fic should always do more than simply provide escapism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO Iron Council is the best of his three Bas Lag books.  The prose (already great in PSS and The Scar) truly shines here.  It&#8217;s written more like a fable than a novel.  And how could you not love the return of the Weaver, all of the fantastic golems Judah makes, and a visit to the Cacotopic Stain?  I think it&#8217;s actually a good thing that it&#8217;s more overtly political than the other two; it fits with Dr. Mieville&#8217;s assertions about how spec-fic should always do more than simply provide escapism.</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/sf-writers-china-mieville/#comment-610292</link>
		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished The Scar and enjoyed it even more than PSS. I found it more tightly structured and better written because it didn&#039;t over egg the mix with more and more exotic creatures. Them mosquito women were enough for me.

I hope you&#039;re going to keep this series going Martin. I&#039;d like to read your thoughts on Michael Moorcock, William Gibson, Arthur C. Clarke, Greg Bear, Neil Stephenson and, following his recent demise, J.G. Ballard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished The Scar and enjoyed it even more than PSS. I found it more tightly structured and better written because it didn&#8217;t over egg the mix with more and more exotic creatures. Them mosquito women were enough for me.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re going to keep this series going Martin. I&#8217;d like to read your thoughts on Michael Moorcock, William Gibson, Arthur C. Clarke, Greg Bear, Neil Stephenson and, following his recent demise, J.G. Ballard.</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/sf-writers-china-mieville/#comment-601140</link>
		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just finished PSS following the recommendations above and quite enjoyed it - although I do think CM lays on the exotica with a trowel in places. I like the Weaver and the Garuda characters, both of whom have hints of a genuine alien consciousness - but others like Lin seem more like humans in bug costumes - they might look different but their attitudes and behaviour are much the same as Isaac and the rest.

Still, it kept my attention and I&#039;ll probably give The Scar a read sometime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just finished PSS following the recommendations above and quite enjoyed it &#8211; although I do think CM lays on the exotica with a trowel in places. I like the Weaver and the Garuda characters, both of whom have hints of a genuine alien consciousness &#8211; but others like Lin seem more like humans in bug costumes &#8211; they might look different but their attitudes and behaviour are much the same as Isaac and the rest.</p>
<p>Still, it kept my attention and I&#8217;ll probably give The Scar a read sometime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: chap</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/sf-writers-china-mieville/#comment-587284</link>
		<dc:creator>chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first discovered Mieville I had to periodically put the book down to excitedly jump around the room like a sugared-up ten year-old. The Scar is my favourite, but PSS is magnificent too, and one should probably read it first for context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first discovered Mieville I had to periodically put the book down to excitedly jump around the room like a sugared-up ten year-old. The Scar is my favourite, but PSS is magnificent too, and one should probably read it first for context.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Baran</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/sf-writers-china-mieville/#comment-586690</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Baran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Un Lun Dun is OK, though tiptoes a bit too close to King Rat for my liking - he clearly loves London and cities (clear from PSS). It does do a good job, as you say, of undermining kids fantasies of being &quot;The Chosen One&quot; or the sekrit princess, though in other places it does get a little Phantom Tollbooth with its access via libraries etc.

The biggest problem with King Rat is its desire to tie into a drum and bass subculture, European myth and rubbish slackerdom. 

I loved PSS and The Scar, but though Iron Council was a bit inconsequential and lacked the key through characters to make me care. PSS has a devastating ending, really sad and one you wish he would pull out a plot nullifier to undo, but rightly he doesn&#039;t. I am more scared of moths now than I used to be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Un Lun Dun is OK, though tiptoes a bit too close to King Rat for my liking &#8211; he clearly loves London and cities (clear from PSS). It does do a good job, as you say, of undermining kids fantasies of being &#8220;The Chosen One&#8221; or the sekrit princess, though in other places it does get a little Phantom Tollbooth with its access via libraries etc.</p>
<p>The biggest problem with King Rat is its desire to tie into a drum and bass subculture, European myth and rubbish slackerdom. </p>
<p>I loved PSS and The Scar, but though Iron Council was a bit inconsequential and lacked the key through characters to make me care. PSS has a devastating ending, really sad and one you wish he would pull out a plot nullifier to undo, but rightly he doesn&#8217;t. I am more scared of moths now than I used to be!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Skidmore</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/sf-writers-china-mieville/#comment-586674</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Skidmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not read that - I didn&#039;t even know it existed, to be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not read that &#8211; I didn&#8217;t even know it existed, to be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The children&#039;s book Un Lun Dun is also well worth a look - just as the adult novels delight in subverting fantasy tropes, here he gleefully trashes several elements from recent children&#039;s books (and is as happy to take swipes at self-appointed Rebel In Chief Philip Pullman as at Harry Potter et al).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The children&#8217;s book Un Lun Dun is also well worth a look &#8211; just as the adult novels delight in subverting fantasy tropes, here he gleefully trashes several elements from recent children&#8217;s books (and is as happy to take swipes at self-appointed Rebel In Chief Philip Pullman as at Harry Potter et al).</p>
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		<title>By: Kat but logged out innit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat but logged out innit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed PSS but I can&#039;t for the life of me remember how they resolved the whole moth problem (I remember what happened to the main characters VERY well though, jebus that was harrowing). I swear my memory has got worse in the last few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed PSS but I can&#8217;t for the life of me remember how they resolved the whole moth problem (I remember what happened to the main characters VERY well though, jebus that was harrowing). I swear my memory has got worse in the last few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Skidmore</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/sf-writers-china-mieville/#comment-586359</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Skidmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, quite correct - badly written.

I don&#039;t know why there was that spectacular improvement. There are some similarities, but the untrammelled imagination and, as you say, teeming creativity of PBS is an extraordinary leap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, quite correct &#8211; badly written.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why there was that spectacular improvement. There are some similarities, but the untrammelled imagination and, as you say, teeming creativity of PBS is an extraordinary leap.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t The Iron Council his fourth, but his third in that world? I want to go reread Perdido Street Station now. Also I concur about King Rat sadly not being much good - do you think it was the decision to dispense with realism that caused the considerable improvement for PSS?

One thing I remember noting from when I first read it was that it&#039;s actually paced for a big book (my paperback edition was 600+ pages) - a major character only turns up halfway through - while still being very busy on every page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t The Iron Council his fourth, but his third in that world? I want to go reread Perdido Street Station now. Also I concur about King Rat sadly not being much good &#8211; do you think it was the decision to dispense with realism that caused the considerable improvement for PSS?</p>
<p>One thing I remember noting from when I first read it was that it&#8217;s actually paced for a big book (my paperback edition was 600+ pages) &#8211; a major character only turns up halfway through &#8211; while still being very busy on every page.</p>
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