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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
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		<title>By: Kat but logged out innit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/hauntography-lost-hearts/#comment-678048</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat but logged out innit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally got round to reading this today! I thought it was a bit on the short side, like James had got bored with the whole thing and decided to kill off the dude before little Stephen had the chance to confront him. But as said upthread, little Stephen is apparently too much of an idiot at 12 years old to understand what&#039;s going on AND he misses out on the gruesome action, which makes him rather a daft choice for a protagonist if you ask me. 

Mrs Bunch on the other hand is more interesting: she might well have been in on the whole deal - perhaps Abney was going to test out the method and if it works, she can have a go too (in return for keeping chummy w/ the victims so they DON&#039;T run off). Obv it all went wrong so she kept schtum and no-one was any the wiser. But Abney seemed obsessed with writing everything down in incriminating detail &amp; footnotes so I doubt he&#039;d have left off Bunch&#039;s involvement. Unless SHE wrote those notes FOR him and scrubbed out any mention of her! Perhaps her intellect is vastly superior to even that of the ghosts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally got round to reading this today! I thought it was a bit on the short side, like James had got bored with the whole thing and decided to kill off the dude before little Stephen had the chance to confront him. But as said upthread, little Stephen is apparently too much of an idiot at 12 years old to understand what&#8217;s going on AND he misses out on the gruesome action, which makes him rather a daft choice for a protagonist if you ask me. </p>
<p>Mrs Bunch on the other hand is more interesting: she might well have been in on the whole deal &#8211; perhaps Abney was going to test out the method and if it works, she can have a go too (in return for keeping chummy w/ the victims so they DON&#8217;T run off). Obv it all went wrong so she kept schtum and no-one was any the wiser. But Abney seemed obsessed with writing everything down in incriminating detail &amp; footnotes so I doubt he&#8217;d have left off Bunch&#8217;s involvement. Unless SHE wrote those notes FOR him and scrubbed out any mention of her! Perhaps her intellect is vastly superior to even that of the ghosts!</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>much of the first paragraph put me in mind of an estate agents&#039; brochure, much as the start of CAB-S is reminiscent of an antiquated guide book. Both create a matter-of-fact mood before heading into stranger realms. 
I like the image of &quot;the clock in the church-tower, buried in trees on the edge of the park&quot; hinting at what is to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>much of the first paragraph put me in mind of an estate agents&#8217; brochure, much as the start of CAB-S is reminiscent of an antiquated guide book. Both create a matter-of-fact mood before heading into stranger realms.<br />
I like the image of &#8220;the clock in the church-tower, buried in trees on the edge of the park&#8221; hinting at what is to come.</p>
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		<title>By: a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</title>
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		<dc:creator>a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadgirl does so have interraction with stephen! 

a: she gets into his dream 
b: IN THE BATH NO LESS 
c: she smiles at him twice! 
d: her little hurdygurdy-playin boyf is jealous and scratches stephen&#039;s nightie to flinders
[s] e: then they all lez up [/s]

obviously it is a flirtation he is well able to resist, as she has omitted to moisturise and defoliate recently 

re: ancient v modern, well, yes and no -- i think there&#039;s several layers of ironised regaling of the situation going on (the story is after all told by someone the adult stephen told it to); so yes abney is -- as you say -- actually saying the ancients were onto something we moderns are too pussy to appreciate, but he goes on to say the stuff about goths i mean ghosts can&#039;t hurt you, despite mere popular opinion, which really IS moderns copping attitude at the ancients (in the form of folk wisdom), except actually folk wisdom is (per the story itself) right

ditto actually with mrs bunch -- who he makes a lot of fun of (viz the &quot;resources of her powerful intellect&quot;) , and who really must be a bit useless when it comes to looking out for the kids in her care, as you argue, BUT &quot;great friends they remained&quot; -- she may be something of a fool, when all&#039;s said an done, but she&#039;s a better bet than abney&#039;s ideas of the ancients OR the moderns

there&#039;s an echo of this in CAB-S, the sacristan&#039;s daughter that doesn&#039;t understand her dad&#039;s obsession: what&#039;s going on is knowledge and events and being that only SOME people have the capacity (innate or learned) to interract with, and be harmed by</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadgirl does so have interraction with stephen! </p>
<p>a: she gets into his dream<br />
b: IN THE BATH NO LESS<br />
c: she smiles at him twice!<br />
d: her little hurdygurdy-playin boyf is jealous and scratches stephen&#8217;s nightie to flinders<br />
[s] e: then they all lez up [/s]</p>
<p>obviously it is a flirtation he is well able to resist, as she has omitted to moisturise and defoliate recently </p>
<p>re: ancient v modern, well, yes and no &#8212; i think there&#8217;s several layers of ironised regaling of the situation going on (the story is after all told by someone the adult stephen told it to); so yes abney is &#8212; as you say &#8212; actually saying the ancients were onto something we moderns are too pussy to appreciate, but he goes on to say the stuff about goths i mean ghosts can&#8217;t hurt you, despite mere popular opinion, which really IS moderns copping attitude at the ancients (in the form of folk wisdom), except actually folk wisdom is (per the story itself) right</p>
<p>ditto actually with mrs bunch &#8212; who he makes a lot of fun of (viz the &#8220;resources of her powerful intellect&#8221;) , and who really must be a bit useless when it comes to looking out for the kids in her care, as you argue, BUT &#8220;great friends they remained&#8221; &#8212; she may be something of a fool, when all&#8217;s said an done, but she&#8217;s a better bet than abney&#8217;s ideas of the ancients OR the moderns</p>
<p>there&#8217;s an echo of this in CAB-S, the sacristan&#8217;s daughter that doesn&#8217;t understand her dad&#8217;s obsession: what&#8217;s going on is knowledge and events and being that only SOME people have the capacity (innate or learned) to interract with, and be harmed by</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Titus Andronicus is a brilliant play!  Less an &quot;early work&quot; than an &quot;ahead of its time&quot; one, in my opinion.  Make it more palatable for the masses, rename it &quot;Othello&quot; or &quot;King Lear&quot;, and you&#039;ve suddenly got a hit on your hands... but Andronicus has any of the good stuff that either of those two plays has, if you&#039;re just willing to get onto its howlingly nihilistic level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Titus Andronicus is a brilliant play!  Less an &#8220;early work&#8221; than an &#8220;ahead of its time&#8221; one, in my opinion.  Make it more palatable for the masses, rename it &#8220;Othello&#8221; or &#8220;King Lear&#8221;, and you&#8217;ve suddenly got a hit on your hands&#8230; but Andronicus has any of the good stuff that either of those two plays has, if you&#8217;re just willing to get onto its howlingly nihilistic level.</p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
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		<dc:creator>c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the story pov isn&#039;t just a child, either - it&#039;s young Stephen through the eyes of older Stephen (who can read Abney&#039;s notes). I assumed the ghosts could get into his dreams etc cos he is the right age? But yeah there is no explanation for why longnails giovanni scritched at stephen&#039;s door and shirt, my brain kind of made the &#039;trying to get stephen&#039;s heart to replace his own&#039; bit up to fill in that gap. 

deadgirl has no interaction with stephen in the story! i thus declare yr &#039;being flirty&#039; a torchwood too far, my dere. 

Isn&#039;t abney&#039;s ancients/moderns thing rather the other way round? &#039;modern people have qualms about things like murderizing children but the ancients knew it to be an awesome idea&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the story pov isn&#8217;t just a child, either &#8211; it&#8217;s young Stephen through the eyes of older Stephen (who can read Abney&#8217;s notes). I assumed the ghosts could get into his dreams etc cos he is the right age? But yeah there is no explanation for why longnails giovanni scritched at stephen&#8217;s door and shirt, my brain kind of made the &#8216;trying to get stephen&#8217;s heart to replace his own&#8217; bit up to fill in that gap. </p>
<p>deadgirl has no interaction with stephen in the story! i thus declare yr &#8216;being flirty&#8217; a torchwood too far, my dere. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t abney&#8217;s ancients/moderns thing rather the other way round? &#8216;modern people have qualms about things like murderizing children but the ancients knew it to be an awesome idea&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</title>
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		<dc:creator>a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the handwaving is actually a function of having the story POV be a child -- rather than eg a rival expert on gnostic literature and para-science 

abney i take to be a massive -- if rather off-piste* -- scholar of alchemical works, all of which (irl) pimped liek crazy off stuff that was DECLARED as byt simon magus and hermes trismegistus, when it very likely wasn&#039;t (if either of them existed which er they may well not have done) 

*he&#039;s a kind of precursor to karswell in fact: whereas an actual real official scholar of this stuff -- like casaubon or someone -- knows who wrote what and what they believed, he doesn&#039;t try it out and find it works: karswell and abney DO 

moar dramatic irony: abney contrasting the news of the ancients and &quot;us moderns&quot;, in an &quot;oh my dears we are wiser and more cultured these days&quot; kind of tone, which is the kind of naive smugness mrj really likes to tweak 

there is a distinct go-between-ish sechsual undercurrent in this story also: abney is obviously a TITANIC PERVE, but the deadgirl is being quite flirty with billy stephen elliott also

why do the ghosts bother menacing stephen at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the handwaving is actually a function of having the story POV be a child &#8212; rather than eg a rival expert on gnostic literature and para-science </p>
<p>abney i take to be a massive &#8212; if rather off-piste* &#8212; scholar of alchemical works, all of which (irl) pimped liek crazy off stuff that was DECLARED as byt simon magus and hermes trismegistus, when it very likely wasn&#8217;t (if either of them existed which er they may well not have done) </p>
<p>*he&#8217;s a kind of precursor to karswell in fact: whereas an actual real official scholar of this stuff &#8212; like casaubon or someone &#8212; knows who wrote what and what they believed, he doesn&#8217;t try it out and find it works: karswell and abney DO </p>
<p>moar dramatic irony: abney contrasting the news of the ancients and &#8220;us moderns&#8221;, in an &#8220;oh my dears we are wiser and more cultured these days&#8221; kind of tone, which is the kind of naive smugness mrj really likes to tweak </p>
<p>there is a distinct go-between-ish sechsual undercurrent in this story also: abney is obviously a TITANIC PERVE, but the deadgirl is being quite flirty with billy stephen elliott also</p>
<p>why do the ghosts bother menacing stephen at all?</p>
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		<title>By: cis</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2009/02/hauntography-lost-hearts/#comment-591268</link>
		<dc:creator>cis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a lot of madey-uppy! Particularly opaque is how he goes about deciding what will be the best method: all that living body, reduce to ash, drink down with port business. Where did he get that from, given it&#039;s not in the fictional version of Trismegistus? (also from what I recall trismegistus is quite low on receiptly detail)

there&#039;s a weird later echo of this story in Margery Allingham&#039;s &quot;Sweet Danger&quot; - at least in the &quot;local man of letters run mad by too much book-larnin&#039;, increase of mania means victim choice moves from the unlikely-to-be-missed to the more socially secure&quot; aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a lot of madey-uppy! Particularly opaque is how he goes about deciding what will be the best method: all that living body, reduce to ash, drink down with port business. Where did he get that from, given it&#8217;s not in the fictional version of Trismegistus? (also from what I recall trismegistus is quite low on receiptly detail)</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a weird later echo of this story in Margery Allingham&#8217;s &#8220;Sweet Danger&#8221; &#8211; at least in the &#8220;local man of letters run mad by too much book-larnin&#8217;, increase of mania means victim choice moves from the unlikely-to-be-missed to the more socially secure&#8221; aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lost Hearts&quot; isn&#039;t one of my favourites either - it&#039;s a bit more grand guignol than James usually is, and I tend to think of it as a kind of Titus Andronicus style early work: getting the horror out of the system. (Tho like TA, it&#039;s solid entertainment, just not one I get much out of returning to)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lost Hearts&#8221; isn&#8217;t one of my favourites either &#8211; it&#8217;s a bit more grand guignol than James usually is, and I tend to think of it as a kind of Titus Andronicus style early work: getting the horror out of the system. (Tho like TA, it&#8217;s solid entertainment, just not one I get much out of returning to)</p>
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		<title>By: a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</title>
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		<dc:creator>a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the section from mr abney&#039;s own papers is excellent historical pastiche -- something james does well, catching the rhythms of the prose of another age -- combined in this case with tour-de-force dramatic irony (viz that you can contrast how it actually happened with how abney thought it was going to go) 

this means that the climactic comedy phrase is: &quot;I contemplate with the liveliest satisfaction the enlarged and emanicipated existence which the experiment, if successful, will confer on me&quot; &lt;b&gt;WAHT IS UNNSUCCESSFUL THEN&lt;/b&gt;?? 

abney on the telly: &quot;the psychic portion of the subjects, which popular language dignifies with the name of OMG GOTHS in ALL THE EYELINER EVAH&quot;

unlike alberic -- with its quilt of actual and hinted (viz knowingly/teasingly occluded) references to historical texts and etc, the hermetic stuff here seems a lot more handwavey, madey-uppy more than sneaky scholarly citation (maybe that&#039;s why james wasn&#039;t happy?) 

so far, in stories one and two, we&#039;ve encountered and neatly established two of the james formats

A (CAS-B): bachelor scholar looks at what he shouldn&#039;t, is spookatised
B (LH): hero of tale watches tale of spookatisation unfold as unharmed bystander</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the section from mr abney&#8217;s own papers is excellent historical pastiche &#8212; something james does well, catching the rhythms of the prose of another age &#8212; combined in this case with tour-de-force dramatic irony (viz that you can contrast how it actually happened with how abney thought it was going to go) </p>
<p>this means that the climactic comedy phrase is: &#8220;I contemplate with the liveliest satisfaction the enlarged and emanicipated existence which the experiment, if successful, will confer on me&#8221; <b>WAHT IS UNNSUCCESSFUL THEN</b>?? </p>
<p>abney on the telly: &#8220;the psychic portion of the subjects, which popular language dignifies with the name of OMG GOTHS in ALL THE EYELINER EVAH&#8221;</p>
<p>unlike alberic &#8212; with its quilt of actual and hinted (viz knowingly/teasingly occluded) references to historical texts and etc, the hermetic stuff here seems a lot more handwavey, madey-uppy more than sneaky scholarly citation (maybe that&#8217;s why james wasn&#8217;t happy?) </p>
<p>so far, in stories one and two, we&#8217;ve encountered and neatly established two of the james formats</p>
<p>A (CAS-B): bachelor scholar looks at what he shouldn&#8217;t, is spookatised<br />
B (LH): hero of tale watches tale of spookatisation unfold as unharmed bystander</p>
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		<title>By: cis</title>
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		<dc:creator>cis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/ArchiveLostHearts.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;notes&lt;/a&gt; on the story here: it doesn&#039;t seem to have been a favourite of James himself.</description>
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