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	<title>Comments on: JOHN LENNON &#8211; &#8220;(Just Like) Starting Over&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jimmy the Swede</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-762002</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy the Swede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the interview very clearly and the bit when Lennon said something on the lines of: “the folk here (NYC) will stop you for autographs and things but they don’t bug you, you know?” ...

I had no idea, though, about the James Taylor meets Mark Chapman story, which sounds fascinating as well as chilling. Whilst I’m sure that Chapman would not have been driven to remove dear gentle old James from the gene pool for being a “phoney”, it is certainly true that had he indeed altered course and slain Taylor in lieu of Lennon, &quot;You’ve Got A Friend&quot; would have been number one instead of &quot;(Just Like) Starting Over&quot;. For all of us who have an unhealthy interest in the pop chart, this is of significant importance.

On reflection, it’s probably just as well that Roger Whittaker wasn’t staying at or near the Dakota or it might well have been the last farewell in every sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the interview very clearly and the bit when Lennon said something on the lines of: “the folk here (NYC) will stop you for autographs and things but they don’t bug you, you know?” &#8230;</p>
<p>I had no idea, though, about the James Taylor meets Mark Chapman story, which sounds fascinating as well as chilling. Whilst I’m sure that Chapman would not have been driven to remove dear gentle old James from the gene pool for being a “phoney”, it is certainly true that had he indeed altered course and slain Taylor in lieu of Lennon, &#8220;You’ve Got A Friend&#8221; would have been number one instead of &#8220;(Just Like) Starting Over&#8221;. For all of us who have an unhealthy interest in the pop chart, this is of significant importance.</p>
<p>On reflection, it’s probably just as well that Roger Whittaker wasn’t staying at or near the Dakota or it might well have been the last farewell in every sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-761612</link>
		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Peebles, who famously got the last interview with Lennon (the one where he says that people in New York will stop you for autographs but they won’t bug you) was talking on Radio 5 last night about the circumstances of his interview.  As I write it’s still available on Listen Again from http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00psvgw - his chat with the presenter Tony Livesey begins at around 2:08.00.

I don’t know whether this was a well-known story already, but I learned the other day that another music legend, James Taylor, had also encountered Mark Chapman that week:
&quot;It seems amazing to me now, but I lived in the building one up from the Dakota and I heard him shot - five, just as quick as you could pull the trigger, about five explosions. And [Chapman] had button-holed me in the tube station, the subway stop, right in front of 72nd Street the day before.  The guy had sort of pinned me to the wall and was glistening with maniacal sweat and talking some freak-speak about what he was going to do and his stuff ... and he was going to get in touch with John Lennon. And it was surreal to actually have contact with the guy 24 hours before he shot John.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Peebles, who famously got the last interview with Lennon (the one where he says that people in New York will stop you for autographs but they won’t bug you) was talking on Radio 5 last night about the circumstances of his interview.  As I write it’s still available on Listen Again from <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00psvgw" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00psvgw?referer=');">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00psvgw</a> &#8211; his chat with the presenter Tony Livesey begins at around 2:08.00.</p>
<p>I don’t know whether this was a well-known story already, but I learned the other day that another music legend, James Taylor, had also encountered Mark Chapman that week:<br />
&#8220;It seems amazing to me now, but I lived in the building one up from the Dakota and I heard him shot &#8211; five, just as quick as you could pull the trigger, about five explosions. And [Chapman] had button-holed me in the tube station, the subway stop, right in front of 72nd Street the day before.  The guy had sort of pinned me to the wall and was glistening with maniacal sweat and talking some freak-speak about what he was going to do and his stuff &#8230; and he was going to get in touch with John Lennon. And it was surreal to actually have contact with the guy 24 hours before he shot John.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Brooksie</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-675332</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooksie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Thefatgit # 59:

&quot;One of the reasons why Rock’n&#039;Roll could exist in the first place was JD Salinger’s book.&quot;

Too much credit. If &#039;Catcher&#039; hadn&#039;t been written we would still have Rock &#039;n&#039; Roll. Good book for those who feel like &#039;outsiders&#039; though.</description>
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<p>&#8220;One of the reasons why Rock’n&#8217;Roll could exist in the first place was JD Salinger’s book.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too much credit. If &#8216;Catcher&#8217; hadn&#8217;t been written we would still have Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Roll. Good book for those who feel like &#8216;outsiders&#8217; though.</p>
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		<title>By: thefatgit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-672186</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons why Rock&#039;n&#039;Roll could exist in the first place was JD Salinger&#039;s book. I&#039;m not sure if the young Lennon had obsessed over the book as much as his killer had, but in his Quarrymen days, he struck that typical rebel pose, and adopted the attitude and manner that went hand-in-hand with being a rock&#039;n&#039;roller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons why Rock&#8217;n'Roll could exist in the first place was JD Salinger&#8217;s book. I&#8217;m not sure if the young Lennon had obsessed over the book as much as his killer had, but in his Quarrymen days, he struck that typical rebel pose, and adopted the attitude and manner that went hand-in-hand with being a rock&#8217;n'roller.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FLASH! J D SALINGER DIES!

Whenever somebody of note checks out, Rosie, Erithian and myself start texting away with our mini obits. It&#039;s normally a race to see who can get in first:

Rosie: J D Salinger caught at last in the rye.
Erithian: catcher in the rye = caught in the slips.
Waldo: I bet Lennon&#039;s beating the shit out of him as we speak.
Erithian: and Reagan joining in!

RIP, JD. One man. One book.</description>
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<p>Whenever somebody of note checks out, Rosie, Erithian and myself start texting away with our mini obits. It&#8217;s normally a race to see who can get in first:</p>
<p>Rosie: J D Salinger caught at last in the rye.<br />
Erithian: catcher in the rye = caught in the slips.<br />
Waldo: I bet Lennon&#8217;s beating the shit out of him as we speak.<br />
Erithian: and Reagan joining in!</p>
<p>RIP, JD. One man. One book.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Smart</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the last interview - just before his death - he says that he likes Madness.</description>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcello&#039;s double fantasy provoked some further thoughts on John Lennon -  linked to John Lydon who also left an iconic group before releasing an album mourning the loss of both his mother and railing against the image and music that had become like a straitjacket.

I don&#039;t know what Lennon (would have) made of UK punk. Living in New York he could have seen any number of the US wave of bands. I suspect his response to UK punk would have been ambivalent at best: &quot;you can count me out/in&quot; but hope he might have responded more positively to the Ramones, Blondie or Patti Smith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcello&#8217;s double fantasy provoked some further thoughts on John Lennon &#8211;  linked to John Lydon who also left an iconic group before releasing an album mourning the loss of both his mother and railing against the image and music that had become like a straitjacket.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Lennon (would have) made of UK punk. Living in New York he could have seen any number of the US wave of bands. I suspect his response to UK punk would have been ambivalent at best: &#8220;you can count me out/in&#8221; but hope he might have responded more positively to the Ramones, Blondie or Patti Smith</p>
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		<title>By: punctum</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excerpt from Press Association release, Friday 7 January 1977:

&lt;i&gt;“Heathrow Airport was teeming with reporters, photographers and thousands of screaming fans to witness the unexpected return of John Lennon to Britain. Striding confidently through the Arrivals gate, the Beatles star and peace campaigner, 36, was smiling, tanned and besuited, with wife Yoko Ono and their two-year-old son Sean in tow, happily signing autographs – though some fans did notice the SEX T-shirt being discreetly worn under his expensive-looking suit.

At a specially held press conference in the Dorchester Hotel shortly after his arrival, Lennon enthusiastically responded to journalists’ questions. He spoke of the genuine outrage which had provoked him to force the hand of EMI shareholders, demanding that the Sex Pistols’ contract with the record company be maintained and that their debut single “Anarchy In The U.K.” – which this week shot to number one, becoming the surprise first chart-topper of 1977 – not be withdrawn from sale.

Lennon admitted that the “punk rock” boom had been the decisive factor in influencing his return to the UK, declaring that it was “like the Cavern all over again, but without Brian making us all behave nicely.” Later that evening both John and Yoko were to be seen in London’s Roxy club, “pogoing” energetically to controversial new girl punk band the Slits (“Yoko’s astonished that her musical style has finally caught on with the kids”) and speaking intensely with Joe Strummer and Mick Jones of the highly-rated punk band the Clash. It is understood that Lennon has now entered into talks with the group with a view to producing their debut album, scheduled for release on Parlophone later this year.”&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, the above should have happened, but didn’t; instead the 36-year-old househusband stayed at home in the Dakota, baking bread, raising Sean, spinning the same old Jerry Lee and Eddie sides he’d spun in his Toxteth bedroom, being sarcastic and dismissive of the Pistols and others. But above all it should have happened because if Lennon had returned to Britain he might still be alive. He took too much for granted, and trusted too much; tentatively re-emerging in suit and short back and sides – looking for all the world like a young Peter Sellers – with a nice and reflective album about the renewed love he had for his wife, he thought it could still be Hamburg in ’61, that he could still walk around New York freely, unprotected by bodyguards, unsealed in bulletproof limousines. He never quite lost that naivety; thus the child inside him was killed by another outside(r) child who couldn’t forgive him for not having made “Revolution #10,” for not still being on the frontline of protest and action, for being a “phoney,” unmasked by the gross crime of wanting to become a middle-aged adult instead of being a child all of his life (“We have grown”).

In this way the critics who uniformly slaughtered &lt;i&gt;Double Fantasy&lt;/i&gt; at the time of its release were not that far removed from Mark Chapman; they bellowed bile at Lennon for not being Weller, for not coming back with a hitherto unimagined Joy Division/B52s/Wire fusion, or fission. But how did they, or Chapman, know that he eventually wouldn’t? There was the American market to consider; Double Fantasy was never going to be dreamt up with Martin Hannett at Strawberry Studios. But, as I said, it was also a tentative re-entry into the world after half a decade of deliberate silence, a wink of “remember me? Are you still interested? Well, we’re still happy, if not happier.”

The school bell which begins “Starting Over” sounds like a resigned sequel to the “1-2-3-4” which began “I Saw Her Standing There” at the other end of my life. But the resignation is desired, and Lennon sounds satisfied. Fuck the history and the past, “let’s take a chance and fly away somewhere alone”…even as by doing so he was flying back into the public consciousness.

“Starting Over” is a straightforward mid-tempo rock ‘n’ roll ballad, with period echoes courtesy of producer Jack Douglas, and Lennon does indeed appear refreshed, even mischievous with his Presley trembles (“It’s been too long since we took the time”) and the genuinely joyous yelps he makes on the line “It’s LIKE we both are falling in love again.” He is rushing nothing, wants to go back to “the early days”; but there is also a wistfulness about his tone, as demonstrated in the final “let’s take a chance and fly away somewhere” where his voice is phased and synthesised into momentary non-existence. Somewhere away from life?

Then the music starts again, with airport announcements of flights and departure times, and Lennon bows out; this is the life I want, and I’m off to live it, and you can come with me if you like – but note those increasingly orgasmic yelps (cf. “Revolution #1”) in which he indulges at the fadeout. Don’t take me for granted; I’ve still got some new tricks to play.

On a personal level, I associate “Starting Over” and Lennon’s assassination with my Oxford interview, since the news had broken on the Tuesday morning that I was due to have the interview – and even in the misty early winter sunshine of Lady Margaret Hall I have never, before or since, seen so many people shellshocked, stunned; the only one who didn’t seem to be was the tutor who interviewed me, who immediately asked me (seeing as one of my entrance examination essays was to do with Keats) the second I entered his study: “Lennon or Keats?” I instinctly and immediately shot back “But where does that leave Cole Porter?” Under such circumstances are futures decided.

I also recall the train journey from Glasgow Central to Oxford that Monday, down through the dark, rainy and oppressive remnants of the industrial North, cathedrals of sacrificed steel, drowned fires, and associate quite a lot of the darker chart hits of December 1980 with that journey – UB40’s “The Earth Dies Screaming,” the Specials’ “Do Nothing,” the Stray Cats’ “Runaway Boys” – and certainly there seemed to prevail a cloak of impending catastrophe. As someone in the &lt;i&gt;NME&lt;/i&gt; letters pages of the time put it: “first today’s music dies with Ian Curtis, then the father of pop dies.” Meanwhile I got to go to Oxford; and a quarter-century later I listen to this song about starting over, about &quot;our love&quot; being &quot;so special,&quot; about the need to take a chance and fly away, the airport tannoy announcements – and the song means something different to me now, as I am sure its author intended it to sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpt from Press Association release, Friday 7 January 1977:</p>
<p><i>“Heathrow Airport was teeming with reporters, photographers and thousands of screaming fans to witness the unexpected return of John Lennon to Britain. Striding confidently through the Arrivals gate, the Beatles star and peace campaigner, 36, was smiling, tanned and besuited, with wife Yoko Ono and their two-year-old son Sean in tow, happily signing autographs – though some fans did notice the SEX T-shirt being discreetly worn under his expensive-looking suit.</p>
<p>At a specially held press conference in the Dorchester Hotel shortly after his arrival, Lennon enthusiastically responded to journalists’ questions. He spoke of the genuine outrage which had provoked him to force the hand of EMI shareholders, demanding that the Sex Pistols’ contract with the record company be maintained and that their debut single “Anarchy In The U.K.” – which this week shot to number one, becoming the surprise first chart-topper of 1977 – not be withdrawn from sale.</p>
<p>Lennon admitted that the “punk rock” boom had been the decisive factor in influencing his return to the UK, declaring that it was “like the Cavern all over again, but without Brian making us all behave nicely.” Later that evening both John and Yoko were to be seen in London’s Roxy club, “pogoing” energetically to controversial new girl punk band the Slits (“Yoko’s astonished that her musical style has finally caught on with the kids”) and speaking intensely with Joe Strummer and Mick Jones of the highly-rated punk band the Clash. It is understood that Lennon has now entered into talks with the group with a view to producing their debut album, scheduled for release on Parlophone later this year.”</i></p>
<p>Yes, the above should have happened, but didn’t; instead the 36-year-old househusband stayed at home in the Dakota, baking bread, raising Sean, spinning the same old Jerry Lee and Eddie sides he’d spun in his Toxteth bedroom, being sarcastic and dismissive of the Pistols and others. But above all it should have happened because if Lennon had returned to Britain he might still be alive. He took too much for granted, and trusted too much; tentatively re-emerging in suit and short back and sides – looking for all the world like a young Peter Sellers – with a nice and reflective album about the renewed love he had for his wife, he thought it could still be Hamburg in ’61, that he could still walk around New York freely, unprotected by bodyguards, unsealed in bulletproof limousines. He never quite lost that naivety; thus the child inside him was killed by another outside(r) child who couldn’t forgive him for not having made “Revolution #10,” for not still being on the frontline of protest and action, for being a “phoney,” unmasked by the gross crime of wanting to become a middle-aged adult instead of being a child all of his life (“We have grown”).</p>
<p>In this way the critics who uniformly slaughtered <i>Double Fantasy</i> at the time of its release were not that far removed from Mark Chapman; they bellowed bile at Lennon for not being Weller, for not coming back with a hitherto unimagined Joy Division/B52s/Wire fusion, or fission. But how did they, or Chapman, know that he eventually wouldn’t? There was the American market to consider; Double Fantasy was never going to be dreamt up with Martin Hannett at Strawberry Studios. But, as I said, it was also a tentative re-entry into the world after half a decade of deliberate silence, a wink of “remember me? Are you still interested? Well, we’re still happy, if not happier.”</p>
<p>The school bell which begins “Starting Over” sounds like a resigned sequel to the “1-2-3-4” which began “I Saw Her Standing There” at the other end of my life. But the resignation is desired, and Lennon sounds satisfied. Fuck the history and the past, “let’s take a chance and fly away somewhere alone”…even as by doing so he was flying back into the public consciousness.</p>
<p>“Starting Over” is a straightforward mid-tempo rock ‘n’ roll ballad, with period echoes courtesy of producer Jack Douglas, and Lennon does indeed appear refreshed, even mischievous with his Presley trembles (“It’s been too long since we took the time”) and the genuinely joyous yelps he makes on the line “It’s LIKE we both are falling in love again.” He is rushing nothing, wants to go back to “the early days”; but there is also a wistfulness about his tone, as demonstrated in the final “let’s take a chance and fly away somewhere” where his voice is phased and synthesised into momentary non-existence. Somewhere away from life?</p>
<p>Then the music starts again, with airport announcements of flights and departure times, and Lennon bows out; this is the life I want, and I’m off to live it, and you can come with me if you like – but note those increasingly orgasmic yelps (cf. “Revolution #1”) in which he indulges at the fadeout. Don’t take me for granted; I’ve still got some new tricks to play.</p>
<p>On a personal level, I associate “Starting Over” and Lennon’s assassination with my Oxford interview, since the news had broken on the Tuesday morning that I was due to have the interview – and even in the misty early winter sunshine of Lady Margaret Hall I have never, before or since, seen so many people shellshocked, stunned; the only one who didn’t seem to be was the tutor who interviewed me, who immediately asked me (seeing as one of my entrance examination essays was to do with Keats) the second I entered his study: “Lennon or Keats?” I instinctly and immediately shot back “But where does that leave Cole Porter?” Under such circumstances are futures decided.</p>
<p>I also recall the train journey from Glasgow Central to Oxford that Monday, down through the dark, rainy and oppressive remnants of the industrial North, cathedrals of sacrificed steel, drowned fires, and associate quite a lot of the darker chart hits of December 1980 with that journey – UB40’s “The Earth Dies Screaming,” the Specials’ “Do Nothing,” the Stray Cats’ “Runaway Boys” – and certainly there seemed to prevail a cloak of impending catastrophe. As someone in the <i>NME</i> letters pages of the time put it: “first today’s music dies with Ian Curtis, then the father of pop dies.” Meanwhile I got to go to Oxford; and a quarter-century later I listen to this song about starting over, about &#8220;our love&#8221; being &#8220;so special,&#8221; about the need to take a chance and fly away, the airport tannoy announcements – and the song means something different to me now, as I am sure its author intended it to sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Malice Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malice Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>average pop song but when compared to the abysmal &quot;Woman&quot; it suddenly became a masterpiece.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the first six weeks (i&#039;m sure it went down to 21 the chart after he died, but anyway) was a respectable chart run for his comeback single, as low-key as it was ever going to be. 2 weeks top ten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the first six weeks (i&#8217;m sure it went down to 21 the chart after he died, but anyway) was a respectable chart run for his comeback single, as low-key as it was ever going to be. 2 weeks top ten.</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That chart run in full: 30-20-13-8-10-21-1-2 (Xmas) – 5-5-15-22.</description>
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		<title>By: rosie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, that&#039;s nice, we all thought.  John&#039;s been quiet for a long time now and we all know he&#039;s had his problems with drink and drugs to the point where even Yoko was getting fed up. And then this comes along.  It&#039;s no &lt;em&gt;Strawberry Fields&lt;/em&gt; but it&#039;s a pleasant enough little ditty, worthy of the lower reaches of the top twenty which is where it appeared to be stalling.

And then came that morning.  I was back at work, doing computery things for a printing company, and running late.  Dave Lee Travis was playing Beatles records back to back on the morning Radio 1 show but I never did get to hear why before I had to go out.  I asked my office colleagues what was going on and neither of them knew.  Then Gary the dedicated Bowie fan from the design studio came in.  Did he know?  Indeed he did.  Lennon&#039;s been shot. Terrible news. 

And it really did feel like the day the music died.  I don&#039;t remember the demise of Buddy Holly but I knew at this moment what it would be like.  Of course, one always knew that of all the Beatles John would be the one to go violently, but all the same I think we all felt that the Beatles were forever, even if they were no longer an item.

It has extra resonance for me.  I was in a marital and domestic rut and I was unhappy there.  When Lennon died I knew the game was up.  Something very apt, which we won&#039;t officially be discussing but I bet we will, would soon mark the beginning of the next phase of my life.  But for now, well, we were all Yoko that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, that&#8217;s nice, we all thought.  John&#8217;s been quiet for a long time now and we all know he&#8217;s had his problems with drink and drugs to the point where even Yoko was getting fed up. And then this comes along.  It&#8217;s no <em>Strawberry Fields</em> but it&#8217;s a pleasant enough little ditty, worthy of the lower reaches of the top twenty which is where it appeared to be stalling.</p>
<p>And then came that morning.  I was back at work, doing computery things for a printing company, and running late.  Dave Lee Travis was playing Beatles records back to back on the morning Radio 1 show but I never did get to hear why before I had to go out.  I asked my office colleagues what was going on and neither of them knew.  Then Gary the dedicated Bowie fan from the design studio came in.  Did he know?  Indeed he did.  Lennon&#8217;s been shot. Terrible news. </p>
<p>And it really did feel like the day the music died.  I don&#8217;t remember the demise of Buddy Holly but I knew at this moment what it would be like.  Of course, one always knew that of all the Beatles John would be the one to go violently, but all the same I think we all felt that the Beatles were forever, even if they were no longer an item.</p>
<p>It has extra resonance for me.  I was in a marital and domestic rut and I was unhappy there.  When Lennon died I knew the game was up.  Something very apt, which we won&#8217;t officially be discussing but I bet we will, would soon mark the beginning of the next phase of my life.  But for now, well, we were all Yoko that day.</p>
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		<title>By: thevisitor</title>
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		<dc:creator>thevisitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was the first John Lennon song I heard, or at least the first one I heard knowing that it was by John Lennon. I was 11 years old and adored it as it climbed up the charts in the weeks prior to his death – more so in the weeks after. Because I had an older brother who bought the music papers, I knew that it wasn&#039;t cool but didn&#039;t understand why its detractors missed the blindingly obviously great tune. It&#039;s not just the tune I remember appealing, but the discernible sincerity of its sentiments. Although I wouldn&#039;t have been able to articulate it at the time, it was like a trailer to an emotional movie that I one day hoped to be able to star in, ten years or so down the line. Years later, I feel grateful that my entry point into the work of several &quot;major&quot; artists was often with a record regarded by critical consensus as weak.  Without the baggage of a golden period to compare such songs to, you&#039;re perfectly placed to take them for what they are. I was similarly lucky with Neil Young&#039;s Computer Age (for about six months I thought he was some crazy robot futuristic guy – imagine my surprise, etc, etc) Anyway, (Just Like) Starting Over is an occasion when the events of your life inspire you to pastiche music that meant a lot to you as a younger person – a certain Four Seasons pastiche that hit number one three years later also fits the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was the first John Lennon song I heard, or at least the first one I heard knowing that it was by John Lennon. I was 11 years old and adored it as it climbed up the charts in the weeks prior to his death – more so in the weeks after. Because I had an older brother who bought the music papers, I knew that it wasn&#8217;t cool but didn&#8217;t understand why its detractors missed the blindingly obviously great tune. It&#8217;s not just the tune I remember appealing, but the discernible sincerity of its sentiments. Although I wouldn&#8217;t have been able to articulate it at the time, it was like a trailer to an emotional movie that I one day hoped to be able to star in, ten years or so down the line. Years later, I feel grateful that my entry point into the work of several &#8220;major&#8221; artists was often with a record regarded by critical consensus as weak.  Without the baggage of a golden period to compare such songs to, you&#8217;re perfectly placed to take them for what they are. I was similarly lucky with Neil Young&#8217;s Computer Age (for about six months I thought he was some crazy robot futuristic guy – imagine my surprise, etc, etc) Anyway, (Just Like) Starting Over is an occasion when the events of your life inspire you to pastiche music that meant a lot to you as a younger person – a certain Four Seasons pastiche that hit number one three years later also fits the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Izzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread inspired me to look out &#039;Watching the Wheels&#039;, which I hadn&#039;t heard before.  It&#039;s really good.  &#039;Starting Over&#039;, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread inspired me to look out &#8216;Watching the Wheels&#8217;, which I hadn&#8217;t heard before.  It&#8217;s really good.  &#8216;Starting Over&#8217;, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-558216</link>
		<dc:creator>a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;smallness of their reach&quot; isn&#039;t very clear -- what i mean is that they appear to impose so little on you that you find yourself toppling into them 

given how things turned out, &quot;cut piece&quot; shows that BEFORE she met lennon, she totally understood mark chapman -- a meeting r.meltzer has hinted actually started life as a fluxus project (kaprow: &quot;yr cute yoko! go bag a beatle!&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;smallness of their reach&#8221; isn&#8217;t very clear &#8212; what i mean is that they appear to impose so little on you that you find yourself toppling into them </p>
<p>given how things turned out, &#8220;cut piece&#8221; shows that BEFORE she met lennon, she totally understood mark chapman &#8212; a meeting r.meltzer has hinted actually started life as a fluxus project (kaprow: &#8220;yr cute yoko! go bag a beatle!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</title>
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		<dc:creator>a tanned rested and unlogged lørd sükråt wötsît</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Use your blood to paint. 
A: Keep painting until you faint
B: Keep painting until you die.&quot; 

yoko was great till she met lennon -- i don&#039;t think her intelligence is analytical, certainly not self-analytical, and (given that her best pieces work by virtue of the smallness their reach, i think her conceptual intuition is massively swamped by non-comprehension of her own fame (cf my yada yada above, on lennon&#039;s increasing uselessness once he&#039;d learned to game all his &quot;opponents&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Use your blood to paint.<br />
A: Keep painting until you faint<br />
B: Keep painting until you die.&#8221; </p>
<p>yoko was great till she met lennon &#8212; i don&#8217;t think her intelligence is analytical, certainly not self-analytical, and (given that her best pieces work by virtue of the smallness their reach, i think her conceptual intuition is massively swamped by non-comprehension of her own fame (cf my yada yada above, on lennon&#8217;s increasing uselessness once he&#8217;d learned to game all his &#8220;opponents&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#39 - &quot;An undistinguished-looking week&quot; in which Buggles release &quot;Elstree&quot;? I&#039;m confused.

(&quot;Elstree&quot; is better than any solo Beatles single, I say)

#44 - I saw The Guardian at the station today, and fell about laughing. &quot;TODAY: free Xmas gift-wrap designed by Yoko Ono. Tomorrow: Sienna Miller&quot;. The Guardian&#039;s always had a certain lack of self-awareness, but it&#039;s getting out of hand these days.

Anyway, unfolding my free gift, I see it is a bit of white paper which says &quot;IMAGINE&quot; and &quot;PEACE&quot; on it, in differently-sized letters. Remember, the fear of being seen as a philistine is what these people shaft you with...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39 &#8211; &#8220;An undistinguished-looking week&#8221; in which Buggles release &#8220;Elstree&#8221;? I&#8217;m confused.</p>
<p>(&#8220;Elstree&#8221; is better than any solo Beatles single, I say)</p>
<p>#44 &#8211; I saw The Guardian at the station today, and fell about laughing. &#8220;TODAY: free Xmas gift-wrap designed by Yoko Ono. Tomorrow: Sienna Miller&#8221;. The Guardian&#8217;s always had a certain lack of self-awareness, but it&#8217;s getting out of hand these days.</p>
<p>Anyway, unfolding my free gift, I see it is a bit of white paper which says &#8220;IMAGINE&#8221; and &#8220;PEACE&#8221; on it, in differently-sized letters. Remember, the fear of being seen as a philistine is what these people shaft you with&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter goodlaws</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter goodlaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when Lennon got gunned down because my dad got all upset as the Beatles were his time and I didn&#039;t come along until five years after they split up. Of course, &quot;it will be just like starting over&quot; soon became &quot;feels like I&#039;ve just been turned over&quot; in some quarters and the other joke was that Lennon went just a little over the top in the publicity stunt for getting his comeback record selling shitloads. I actually think that this track is good enough by itself but it would not have gone to the top without Lennon getting himself killed and my mate reckons that as he sailed to the floor having been plugged he was probably cursing Paul McCartney rather than the toerag who had just put him out the door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when Lennon got gunned down because my dad got all upset as the Beatles were his time and I didn&#8217;t come along until five years after they split up. Of course, &#8220;it will be just like starting over&#8221; soon became &#8220;feels like I&#8217;ve just been turned over&#8221; in some quarters and the other joke was that Lennon went just a little over the top in the publicity stunt for getting his comeback record selling shitloads. I actually think that this track is good enough by itself but it would not have gone to the top without Lennon getting himself killed and my mate reckons that as he sailed to the floor having been plugged he was probably cursing Paul McCartney rather than the toerag who had just put him out the door.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-558150</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to like this a lot more than most here! I don&#039;t remember &quot;Watching The Wheels&quot; at all, to be honest, aside from a vague memory of the chorus.

There is some &#039;celebrity gift wrap&#039; by Yoko in the Guardian today: I&#039;d forgotten it was the anniversary until Erithian mentioned it, so serendipity that we&#039;re discussing it, rather than plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to like this a lot more than most here! I don&#8217;t remember &#8220;Watching The Wheels&#8221; at all, to be honest, aside from a vague memory of the chorus.</p>
<p>There is some &#8216;celebrity gift wrap&#8217; by Yoko in the Guardian today: I&#8217;d forgotten it was the anniversary until Erithian mentioned it, so serendipity that we&#8217;re discussing it, rather than plan.</p>
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		<title>By: LondonLee</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-558145</link>
		<dc:creator>LondonLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remembered I was watching the (very good) film &quot;In Bruges&quot; the other night and in it Colin Farrell punches an American tourist in the face with the words &quot;That&#039;s for John Lennon, ya Yank c*nt!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remembered I was watching the (very good) film &#8220;In Bruges&#8221; the other night and in it Colin Farrell punches an American tourist in the face with the words &#8220;That&#8217;s for John Lennon, ya Yank c*nt!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-558141</link>
		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Tom, kudos for getting us talking about this record on the anniversary of the shooting.  Your best piece of synchronicity since reaching “Lonely This Christmas” a few days before Christmas last year.  (Which indicates, incidentally, that you’ve really been cracking on with it in 2008 - more than six Popular-years in one real-time year)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Tom, kudos for getting us talking about this record on the anniversary of the shooting.  Your best piece of synchronicity since reaching “Lonely This Christmas” a few days before Christmas last year.  (Which indicates, incidentally, that you’ve really been cracking on with it in 2008 &#8211; more than six Popular-years in one real-time year)</p>
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		<title>By: LondonLee</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-558123</link>
		<dc:creator>LondonLee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least she didn&#039;t say he should be shot which wouldn&#039;t have been out of character for her.</description>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/12/john-lennon-just-like-starting-over/#comment-558090</link>
		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 39 Compared to JBs later self conscious persona this seems only mildly iconoclastic and was not so out of step with much of the discourse that I can remember about Lennon in the NME at the time which tended to portray him as a bit of a has been</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 39 Compared to JBs later self conscious persona this seems only mildly iconoclastic and was not so out of step with much of the discourse that I can remember about Lennon in the NME at the time which tended to portray him as a bit of a has been</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Smart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NMEWatch: 25th October 1980. Julie Burchill in full iconoclastic attack mode; &quot;Gerry Munroe used to do songs very similar to this; pubs, Gracie Fields, maudlin singalongs. John Lennon either needs to be put away (if this record is meant to be good) or wants to be written off (if the direness of this is intentional). My guess is that he&#039;s happy in his house-husband niche and did this merely to dissuade people who ask him when he&#039;s going to get back into the &quot;studio&quot; to &quot;lay down&quot; some new &quot;tracks&quot;. &quot; (the comparison is actually a bit unfair on the demented falsetto of Gerry Munroe, if anything)

 She doesn&#039;t award a single of the week, in what is a very undistinguished-looking week. Also reviewed are;

Buzzcocks - Strange Thing
Buggles - Elstree
The B52s - Strobe Light
Rockpile - Teacher Teacher
Joan Armatrading - Simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NMEWatch: 25th October 1980. Julie Burchill in full iconoclastic attack mode; &#8220;Gerry Munroe used to do songs very similar to this; pubs, Gracie Fields, maudlin singalongs. John Lennon either needs to be put away (if this record is meant to be good) or wants to be written off (if the direness of this is intentional). My guess is that he&#8217;s happy in his house-husband niche and did this merely to dissuade people who ask him when he&#8217;s going to get back into the &#8220;studio&#8221; to &#8220;lay down&#8221; some new &#8220;tracks&#8221;. &#8221; (the comparison is actually a bit unfair on the demented falsetto of Gerry Munroe, if anything)</p>
<p> She doesn&#8217;t award a single of the week, in what is a very undistinguished-looking week. Also reviewed are;</p>
<p>Buzzcocks &#8211; Strange Thing<br />
Buggles &#8211; Elstree<br />
The B52s &#8211; Strobe Light<br />
Rockpile &#8211; Teacher Teacher<br />
Joan Armatrading &#8211; Simon</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Smart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extraordinarily insipid and vacuous song, certainly not worth waiting five years for, far too timid to emulate the glee and fun of the old rock &#039;n&#039; roll it emulates.

Looking at my 1980 NMEs I see that &#039;Double Fantasy&#039; is reviewed in the same week as &#039;Sound Affects&#039; and &#039;Gaucho&#039;, two albums which really are serious integrated works, where you enter into a distinctive world and every song matters (&#039;Autoamerican&#039; is out that week, too). This must have seemed incredibly small beer in November 1980. Events of December 1980 meant that people grabbed the closest piece of Lennon product to hand, but this is no way to remember him, 29 years after that.

&#039;Watching The Wheels&#039; is quite good, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extraordinarily insipid and vacuous song, certainly not worth waiting five years for, far too timid to emulate the glee and fun of the old rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll it emulates.</p>
<p>Looking at my 1980 NMEs I see that &#8216;Double Fantasy&#8217; is reviewed in the same week as &#8216;Sound Affects&#8217; and &#8216;Gaucho&#8217;, two albums which really are serious integrated works, where you enter into a distinctive world and every song matters (&#8216;Autoamerican&#8217; is out that week, too). This must have seemed incredibly small beer in November 1980. Events of December 1980 meant that people grabbed the closest piece of Lennon product to hand, but this is no way to remember him, 29 years after that.</p>
<p>&#8216;Watching The Wheels&#8217; is quite good, though.</p>
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