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	<title>Comments on: THE JAM &#8211; &#8220;Going Underground&#8221;/&#8221;Dreams Of Children&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Mark G</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/10/the-jam-going-undergrounddreams-of-children/#comment-810881</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unnoted by wiki, this came with a free live e.p., which obviously won&#039;t have harmed its rapid progress to number 1.

Especially as it was fairly limited in numbers.</description>
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<p>Especially as it was fairly limited in numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: swanstep</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great record obviously. I don&#039;t have anything to add to the wonderful comments and lead essay, except to observe how miserable it is that the charts so rarely work like this (as effectively Tom begins by noting). In Popular&#039;s present as I write this note (1991), it&#039;ll be as if grunge never existed. Anyhow, agree with:
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		<title>By: punctum</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name of Ian Page’s group might have summed the situation up, but being a Mod in the mid-seventies was truly a secret affair, about as unfashionable as anyone could get – so no wonder I found it attractive, unlike the feathercuts and flares prevalent everywhere else around me. It felt like something unique to me, my secret pleasure; perhaps the obverse to the love of free jazz – something which, in my world, I and I alone knew about. Nevertheless I had the parka, if not the Vespa, and in those days of pre-punk decadence, the likes of the Who (‘65-7 model) and the Creation seemed like razors of punctum.

The Jam never really fit in with punk either; witness Weller proclaiming his support for the Tories in the &lt;i&gt;NME&lt;/i&gt; to wind up/piss off Strummer. But I loved the suits, the ties, the quicksnap attitude; you only have to delve through contemporaneous &lt;i&gt;TOTP&lt;/i&gt; performances by the bearded, seated likes of ELO and Supertramp to judge the never-starker contrast with the Jam’s 900 mph whiplash dervish of a Mod &lt;i&gt;derivé&lt;/i&gt;; here was energy, here was life, here was a total fuck-you realism which didn’t make you groan under the scythe of worthy. When &quot;All Around The World&quot; burst into the Top 20 in the summer of ’77 it bore a ferocity and singleminded punch which outdid most other punk hitmakers of the time, though also demonstrated the group’s very palpable musical chops. &quot;A new direction?&quot; Backwards to go into the future? I could, and did, buy into that.

The second album &lt;i&gt;The Modern World&lt;/i&gt; was a too-rushed job with too many duff Bruce Foxton songs, and it already seemed as if they’d burned themselves out. But then they came back in the autumn of ’78 with &lt;i&gt;All Mod Cons&lt;/i&gt;, and everyone was forced to sit up and pay attention; delicate ballads (but this was punk!) like &quot;English Rose,&quot; so embarrassing to its author that it was an unlisted extra track at the end of side one, but so needlessly so; and the descent from that tenderness to the brutalist rationalism of &quot;’A’ Bomb In Wardour Street&quot; and &quot;Down In The Tube Station At Midnight,&quot; two stark slaps in the post-New Wave face; unforgiving and condemnatory – unlike the Who, who celebrated London with an uncritical cynicism, Weller never failed to stare the capital straight in its cold face, as much as he worshipped it, taking day trips from Woking as a teenager to tape the sounds of the city and revel in them back in his bedroom at home.

By 1979 they were established as a solid, if not spectacularly commercially successful, act, though their singles typically peaked at around the #15-16 mark; a secure cult following, but not yet the breakthrough into the mainstream. That latter occurred with &quot;The Eton Rifles&quot; which happened to coincide with the Mod Revival – Page’s Glory Boys at the spearhead, the film of &lt;i&gt;Quadrophenia&lt;/i&gt; just released – and which went top three that autumn, a blast of sardonic class rage which arguably cut more deeply in the British youth of ‘79 than &quot;Another Brick In The Wall&quot; because the Jam were so clearly of our time, our generation – Weller only had four-and-a-half years on me, for heaven’s sake! – and we felt they were speaking solely to us, and for us.

Certainly it is hard here (without getting &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt; personal) how vindicated and triumphant we felt (and there was by now a &quot;we&quot;) when &quot;Going Underground&quot; became the first single by anybody since &quot;Merry Xmas Everybody&quot; to enter the charts at number one. And never mind how we felt; Weller, on tour at the time, burst into tears when he heard the news – seven years of hard work and utter self-belief finally paying off, his group now officially the biggest band in Britain.

Both Slade and the Jam were on the Polydor label, who clearly knew something about astute marketing; true, there were special gatefold sleeves printed for &quot;Going Underground&quot; and the single was released on a Tuesday rather than the then customary Friday, but the undertow and swelling of support would have guaranteed its victory regardless – &quot;Going Underground&quot; had advance orders of nearly a quarter of a million copies. They had built up their following in the slow-burning, old-fashioned way; and here was their reward.

It is a nearly frill-free storm of righteous protest, right from the opening staccato tattoo of drums and bass which rapidly ruptures into a fearsome storm of slashing guitar as Weller fulminates actively against the grey standardisation of his world, combining steamroller sarcasm (&quot;People say that I should strive for more/But I’m so happy I can’t see the point&quot;) with harsh declarations of principles (&quot;The public gets what the public wants/But I want nothing this society’s got&quot;) before turning his aesthetic stun guns on the society which doesn’t want him: &quot;You choose your leaders and place your trust/As their lies wash you down and their promises rust/You’ll see kidney machines replaced by rockets and guns.&quot; And throughout, always the return to the defiant anthemic chorus of &quot;I’m going underground.&quot;

It’s already intense, but then in the mid-break Weller slowly turns the heat and pressure up even further: &quot;The braying sheep on my TV screen/Make this boy SHOUT, MAKE THIS BOY SCREAM!&quot; as the band roars up into another key; after a short dub-like break, with melodica-like synths and clattering rimshots, the key ascends yet again and the passion becomes bloodied: &quot;Let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrow!&quot; before a reverb of feedback shuts the song down. It was a rallying cry, and Weller knew it; everything this Thatcher world is isn’t the truth – stand up and drown them out.  And, despite Weller&#039;s subsequent, problematic relationship with New Pop, this is New Pop &lt;i&gt;in excelsis&lt;/i&gt;; attract with a catchy tune, undermine, subvert and rebolster with the message.

Though nominally a double A-side, &quot;The Dreams Of Children&quot; was rarely played on radio; nevertheless it’s a fascinating variant on a dispossessed urban scenario which isn’t that far removed from Gary Numan’s vision (a comparison I know will make Weller wince) – nonetheless it’s there; &quot;I got a feeling of optimism/But woke up to a grey and lonely picture…/I was alone, no one was there,&quot; though with ominous synths replaced by Foxton’s triplets of dub bass. The track is more restrained than &quot;Going Underground,&quot; and the woozy backwards fadein and fadeout set the picture for Weller’s more extensive adventures in psychedelia later that year, but the rage remains present: &quot;Something’s gonna crack on your dreams tonight,&quot; he repeatedly warns us. There is admittedly a stern and somewhat puritan surface to the Jam’s general approach, which has on occasion tended to turn people off. But as far as we were concerned, they were speaking on our behalf, they inhabited our culture, and &quot;Going Underground&quot; going to number one was rather like &quot;us&quot; going to number one. I still recognise its unalloyed and unapologetic passion; this was life as once I lived it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name of Ian Page’s group might have summed the situation up, but being a Mod in the mid-seventies was truly a secret affair, about as unfashionable as anyone could get – so no wonder I found it attractive, unlike the feathercuts and flares prevalent everywhere else around me. It felt like something unique to me, my secret pleasure; perhaps the obverse to the love of free jazz – something which, in my world, I and I alone knew about. Nevertheless I had the parka, if not the Vespa, and in those days of pre-punk decadence, the likes of the Who (‘65-7 model) and the Creation seemed like razors of punctum.</p>
<p>The Jam never really fit in with punk either; witness Weller proclaiming his support for the Tories in the <i>NME</i> to wind up/piss off Strummer. But I loved the suits, the ties, the quicksnap attitude; you only have to delve through contemporaneous <i>TOTP</i> performances by the bearded, seated likes of ELO and Supertramp to judge the never-starker contrast with the Jam’s 900 mph whiplash dervish of a Mod <i>derivé</i>; here was energy, here was life, here was a total fuck-you realism which didn’t make you groan under the scythe of worthy. When &#8220;All Around The World&#8221; burst into the Top 20 in the summer of ’77 it bore a ferocity and singleminded punch which outdid most other punk hitmakers of the time, though also demonstrated the group’s very palpable musical chops. &#8220;A new direction?&#8221; Backwards to go into the future? I could, and did, buy into that.</p>
<p>The second album <i>The Modern World</i> was a too-rushed job with too many duff Bruce Foxton songs, and it already seemed as if they’d burned themselves out. But then they came back in the autumn of ’78 with <i>All Mod Cons</i>, and everyone was forced to sit up and pay attention; delicate ballads (but this was punk!) like &#8220;English Rose,&#8221; so embarrassing to its author that it was an unlisted extra track at the end of side one, but so needlessly so; and the descent from that tenderness to the brutalist rationalism of &#8220;’A’ Bomb In Wardour Street&#8221; and &#8220;Down In The Tube Station At Midnight,&#8221; two stark slaps in the post-New Wave face; unforgiving and condemnatory – unlike the Who, who celebrated London with an uncritical cynicism, Weller never failed to stare the capital straight in its cold face, as much as he worshipped it, taking day trips from Woking as a teenager to tape the sounds of the city and revel in them back in his bedroom at home.</p>
<p>By 1979 they were established as a solid, if not spectacularly commercially successful, act, though their singles typically peaked at around the #15-16 mark; a secure cult following, but not yet the breakthrough into the mainstream. That latter occurred with &#8220;The Eton Rifles&#8221; which happened to coincide with the Mod Revival – Page’s Glory Boys at the spearhead, the film of <i>Quadrophenia</i> just released – and which went top three that autumn, a blast of sardonic class rage which arguably cut more deeply in the British youth of ‘79 than &#8220;Another Brick In The Wall&#8221; because the Jam were so clearly of our time, our generation – Weller only had four-and-a-half years on me, for heaven’s sake! – and we felt they were speaking solely to us, and for us.</p>
<p>Certainly it is hard here (without getting <i>too</i> personal) how vindicated and triumphant we felt (and there was by now a &#8220;we&#8221;) when &#8220;Going Underground&#8221; became the first single by anybody since &#8220;Merry Xmas Everybody&#8221; to enter the charts at number one. And never mind how we felt; Weller, on tour at the time, burst into tears when he heard the news – seven years of hard work and utter self-belief finally paying off, his group now officially the biggest band in Britain.</p>
<p>Both Slade and the Jam were on the Polydor label, who clearly knew something about astute marketing; true, there were special gatefold sleeves printed for &#8220;Going Underground&#8221; and the single was released on a Tuesday rather than the then customary Friday, but the undertow and swelling of support would have guaranteed its victory regardless – &#8220;Going Underground&#8221; had advance orders of nearly a quarter of a million copies. They had built up their following in the slow-burning, old-fashioned way; and here was their reward.</p>
<p>It is a nearly frill-free storm of righteous protest, right from the opening staccato tattoo of drums and bass which rapidly ruptures into a fearsome storm of slashing guitar as Weller fulminates actively against the grey standardisation of his world, combining steamroller sarcasm (&#8220;People say that I should strive for more/But I’m so happy I can’t see the point&#8221;) with harsh declarations of principles (&#8220;The public gets what the public wants/But I want nothing this society’s got&#8221;) before turning his aesthetic stun guns on the society which doesn’t want him: &#8220;You choose your leaders and place your trust/As their lies wash you down and their promises rust/You’ll see kidney machines replaced by rockets and guns.&#8221; And throughout, always the return to the defiant anthemic chorus of &#8220;I’m going underground.&#8221;</p>
<p>It’s already intense, but then in the mid-break Weller slowly turns the heat and pressure up even further: &#8220;The braying sheep on my TV screen/Make this boy SHOUT, MAKE THIS BOY SCREAM!&#8221; as the band roars up into another key; after a short dub-like break, with melodica-like synths and clattering rimshots, the key ascends yet again and the passion becomes bloodied: &#8220;Let the boys all sing and let the boys all shout for tomorrow!&#8221; before a reverb of feedback shuts the song down. It was a rallying cry, and Weller knew it; everything this Thatcher world is isn’t the truth – stand up and drown them out.  And, despite Weller&#8217;s subsequent, problematic relationship with New Pop, this is New Pop <i>in excelsis</i>; attract with a catchy tune, undermine, subvert and rebolster with the message.</p>
<p>Though nominally a double A-side, &#8220;The Dreams Of Children&#8221; was rarely played on radio; nevertheless it’s a fascinating variant on a dispossessed urban scenario which isn’t that far removed from Gary Numan’s vision (a comparison I know will make Weller wince) – nonetheless it’s there; &#8220;I got a feeling of optimism/But woke up to a grey and lonely picture…/I was alone, no one was there,&#8221; though with ominous synths replaced by Foxton’s triplets of dub bass. The track is more restrained than &#8220;Going Underground,&#8221; and the woozy backwards fadein and fadeout set the picture for Weller’s more extensive adventures in psychedelia later that year, but the rage remains present: &#8220;Something’s gonna crack on your dreams tonight,&#8221; he repeatedly warns us. There is admittedly a stern and somewhat puritan surface to the Jam’s general approach, which has on occasion tended to turn people off. But as far as we were concerned, they were speaking on our behalf, they inhabited our culture, and &#8220;Going Underground&#8221; going to number one was rather like &#8220;us&#8221; going to number one. I still recognise its unalloyed and unapologetic passion; this was life as once I lived it.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dreams of Children featured the ending of the song Thick as Thieves played backwards, which appears at the start of the original single track (removed from later releases on compilations) and at the end of the chorus, where some people think it&#039;s Weller and Foxton saying &quot;dreeeeeams&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wiki on franc roddam: &quot;best known for the film Quadrophenia and the early reality television series The Family...  credited with creating the series Auf Wiedersehen, Pet reflecting his roots in North East England, and &lt;b&gt;devising the format for the television game show Masterchef&lt;/b&gt;&quot; 

The Family! (that&#039;s the original 1974 one) and Masterchef! All is forgiven</description>
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<p>The Family! (that&#8217;s the original 1974 one) and Masterchef! All is forgiven</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quadrophenia is better than tommy &lt;--- faint praise indeed</description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever the year-zeroist, I avoided &lt;i&gt;Quadrophenia&lt;/i&gt; on ideological grounds: namely, that it was based on a &quot;rock opera&quot; (Gawd help us!) by a bunch of boring old-wave farts.

Perhaps it&#039;s time I got round to seeing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever the year-zeroist, I avoided <i>Quadrophenia</i> on ideological grounds: namely, that it was based on a &#8220;rock opera&#8221; (Gawd help us!) by a bunch of boring old-wave farts.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s time I got round to seeing it!</p>
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		<title>By: peter goodlaws</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter goodlaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamilton wins!!! Now he can become president tomorrow too.</description>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conrad #67 – yes, “Quadrophenia” was the first X-rated (18-plus, for younger readers!) film I ever saw at the cinema, a month before my 18th birthday (rebellious, eh?)  Just to make a thematic connection, the first AA-rated (14-plus) film I ever went to see, a month before my 14th birthday, had been “Tommy”.  Anyway “Quadrophenia” was terrific, and did Sting ever look cooler?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conrad #67 – yes, “Quadrophenia” was the first X-rated (18-plus, for younger readers!) film I ever saw at the cinema, a month before my 18th birthday (rebellious, eh?)  Just to make a thematic connection, the first AA-rated (14-plus) film I ever went to see, a month before my 14th birthday, had been “Tommy”.  Anyway “Quadrophenia” was terrific, and did Sting ever look cooler?!</p>
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		<title>By: LondonLee</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought The Vapors were actually produced by Foxton. I&#039;m too lazy to go look it up.

I saw them supporting The Jam at The Rainbow, in the row behind us were a bunch of skinheads chanting &quot;we hate Mods, we hate Mods&quot; and outside after the gig it &quot;kicked off&quot; as they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought The Vapors were actually produced by Foxton. I&#8217;m too lazy to go look it up.</p>
<p>I saw them supporting The Jam at The Rainbow, in the row behind us were a bunch of skinheads chanting &#8220;we hate Mods, we hate Mods&#8221; and outside after the gig it &#8220;kicked off&#8221; as they say.</p>
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		<title>By: peter goodlaws</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LEWIS Hamilton. Sorry. Hope I haven&#039;t jinxed him!!</description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#68 - The Vapors were co-managed by Bruce Foxton and Weller&#039;s dad, and &quot;Turning Japanese&quot; was produced by Jam regular Vic Coppersmith-Heaven.  So it really was quite the moment of cultural supremacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#68 &#8211; The Vapors were co-managed by Bruce Foxton and Weller&#8217;s dad, and &#8220;Turning Japanese&#8221; was produced by Jam regular Vic Coppersmith-Heaven.  So it really was quite the moment of cultural supremacy.</p>
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		<title>By: peter goodlaws</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, Conrad. &quot;Turning Japanese&quot; was brilliant. I really think so. Pity it would be pulled from the listings today as ethnic humour is worse than what Ian Huntley did in the eyes of the mad bosses. There&#039;s a number one next year that faces the same problem but was crap so stuff it. Am writing this on sunday so go for it Louis Hamilton. Hope that the boys from brazil don&#039;t fix his motor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, Conrad. &#8220;Turning Japanese&#8221; was brilliant. I really think so. Pity it would be pulled from the listings today as ethnic humour is worse than what Ian Huntley did in the eyes of the mad bosses. There&#8217;s a number one next year that faces the same problem but was crap so stuff it. Am writing this on sunday so go for it Louis Hamilton. Hope that the boys from brazil don&#8217;t fix his motor.</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here&#039;s my 1996 &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidlubich.com/dischord/weller.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;anti-weller polemic&lt;/a&gt; for dischord (which despite its claim not to have an agenda was i think a &quot;pro-disco&quot; outlet, given that jay strongman was an editor

with hindsight, i think the follow about this er screed:  
i) blimey i was harsh! i am really VERY RARELY this hostile, and feel very uncomfy reading it now 
ii) at the time, this aggression seemed to me entirely urgent and necessary (yet note my claim that simon reynolds had been &quot;sidelined&quot; -- today, i would tend to argue HE is the establishment! affectionately and exasperatedly of course, he is an old friend and sparring partner) (and some of this feelng on my part is straght-up envy; simon has far superior hustling skeez) 
iii) i think this piece is VERY unfair to weller himself, who is plainly a much more complex beast (as witness the decision to break up the jam) than his mid-90s media-following allowed -- it is mainly a fight against a particularly awful era in mainstream pop media 
iv) i have myself (a function of getting older -- it will happen to you all) become much more interested in the ambiguities of stuff that gets dismissed for being &quot;trad&quot;; when you&#039;re young, history seems to loom over you sneering at your own experience as it unfolds, and you do spiky unthinking battle to make space for your own perspective; in time, you find aspects of that perspective sedimented into recent-history-as-it&#039;s-been-decided, and begin to grasp what the oldsters who long ago battled against YOU were so fussed about; what they saw getting lost; what you see getting lost... 

the key thing is, given my obvious sense of embattlement in this 12-year-old piece, i think the &quot;we&quot; it argues for actually won: except i now also think this &quot;we&quot; has itself fragmented, and this fragmentation feels more complex and awful and bitter, actually... haha unfaced memories of  my SECOND (or is it third) divorce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s my 1996 <a href="http://davidlubich.com/dischord/weller.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/davidlubich.com/dischord/weller.html?referer=');">anti-weller polemic</a> for dischord (which despite its claim not to have an agenda was i think a &#8220;pro-disco&#8221; outlet, given that jay strongman was an editor</p>
<p>with hindsight, i think the follow about this er screed:<br />
i) blimey i was harsh! i am really VERY RARELY this hostile, and feel very uncomfy reading it now<br />
ii) at the time, this aggression seemed to me entirely urgent and necessary (yet note my claim that simon reynolds had been &#8220;sidelined&#8221; &#8212; today, i would tend to argue HE is the establishment! affectionately and exasperatedly of course, he is an old friend and sparring partner) (and some of this feelng on my part is straght-up envy; simon has far superior hustling skeez)<br />
iii) i think this piece is VERY unfair to weller himself, who is plainly a much more complex beast (as witness the decision to break up the jam) than his mid-90s media-following allowed &#8212; it is mainly a fight against a particularly awful era in mainstream pop media<br />
iv) i have myself (a function of getting older &#8212; it will happen to you all) become much more interested in the ambiguities of stuff that gets dismissed for being &#8220;trad&#8221;; when you&#8217;re young, history seems to loom over you sneering at your own experience as it unfolds, and you do spiky unthinking battle to make space for your own perspective; in time, you find aspects of that perspective sedimented into recent-history-as-it&#8217;s-been-decided, and begin to grasp what the oldsters who long ago battled against YOU were so fussed about; what they saw getting lost; what you see getting lost&#8230; </p>
<p>the key thing is, given my obvious sense of embattlement in this 12-year-old piece, i think the &#8220;we&#8221; it argues for actually won: except i now also think this &#8220;we&#8221; has itself fragmented, and this fragmentation feels more complex and awful and bitter, actually&#8230; haha unfaced memories of  my SECOND (or is it third) divorce</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number 3 watch (am I allowed a Number 3 watch?): Vapors &quot;Turning Japanese&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>64 - Secret Affair and The Jam on Top Of The Pops together! Lambrettas were also in the Top 40 at this point, so there you have it - March 27 1980, the very apex of the Mod Revival (I like to pin things down to an actual day if possible!).

I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s mentioned another reason for the significant upturn in Jam singles&#039; chart placings with Eton Rifles and Going Underground (although undoubtedly the main factor is that they were both terrific hook-laden songs with memorable lyrics). But I think the Who &quot;Kids Are Alright&quot; and the &quot;Quadrophenia&quot; films were both released in late 1979 and contributed to an upsurge in interest in all things Mod, which chimed in with the parallel interest in ska/rock steady brought about by the Specials and 2-Tone.

That groundswell of interest did lead to a further broadening of The Jam&#039;s fanbase beyond their original punk 
/new wave following.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64 &#8211; Secret Affair and The Jam on Top Of The Pops together! Lambrettas were also in the Top 40 at this point, so there you have it &#8211; March 27 1980, the very apex of the Mod Revival (I like to pin things down to an actual day if possible!).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s mentioned another reason for the significant upturn in Jam singles&#8217; chart placings with Eton Rifles and Going Underground (although undoubtedly the main factor is that they were both terrific hook-laden songs with memorable lyrics). But I think the Who &#8220;Kids Are Alright&#8221; and the &#8220;Quadrophenia&#8221; films were both released in late 1979 and contributed to an upsurge in interest in all things Mod, which chimed in with the parallel interest in ska/rock steady brought about by the Specials and 2-Tone.</p>
<p>That groundswell of interest did lead to a further broadening of The Jam&#8217;s fanbase beyond their original punk<br />
/new wave following.</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re #65 I agree -with you and with them - give me style over substance every time. With Weller there is a tension between the two which means that his music can veer between the best of his Jam and Style Council songs and the gurning geezer rock of his latter years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #65 I agree -with you and with them &#8211; give me style over substance every time. With Weller there is a tension between the two which means that his music can veer between the best of his Jam and Style Council songs and the gurning geezer rock of his latter years</p>
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		<title>By: AndyPandy</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/10/the-jam-going-undergrounddreams-of-children/#comment-537705</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyPandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re 61: agreed there were connections between punk and New Romantics but those people who were seriously involved in both were invariably involved in Punk from the beginning in late75/early 76 and were already demoralised by early 1977 (I&#039;ve heard some say it died for them as early as December 1st 1976 when it went so massively overground after the Bill Grundy interview).
To these (Steve Strange/Adam Ant etc) it was more about rebellion through fashion etc than boring old rock music..Steve Strange mentions this in his autobiography and how from the beginning they were bored by the already separate scene developing around trad rockers like The Clash.And yes most of these figures identify to this day with Bowie and Marc Bolan than the &quot;back to basics rock&quot; side of punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re 61: agreed there were connections between punk and New Romantics but those people who were seriously involved in both were invariably involved in Punk from the beginning in late75/early 76 and were already demoralised by early 1977 (I&#8217;ve heard some say it died for them as early as December 1st 1976 when it went so massively overground after the Bill Grundy interview).<br />
To these (Steve Strange/Adam Ant etc) it was more about rebellion through fashion etc than boring old rock music..Steve Strange mentions this in his autobiography and how from the beginning they were bored by the already separate scene developing around trad rockers like The Clash.And yes most of these figures identify to this day with Bowie and Marc Bolan than the &#8220;back to basics rock&#8221; side of punk.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Smart</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/10/the-jam-going-undergrounddreams-of-children/#comment-537640</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOTPWatch: The Jam twice performed Going Underground on Top Of The Pops, on March 27th 1980 and January 1st 1981.

Also in the studio on March 27th 1980 were; Liquid Gold, Genesis, Dr Hook, Judas Priest, Secret Affair, John Foxx and The Dooleys - something for everyone. The host was Peter Powell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOTPWatch: The Jam twice performed Going Underground on Top Of The Pops, on March 27th 1980 and January 1st 1981.</p>
<p>Also in the studio on March 27th 1980 were; Liquid Gold, Genesis, Dr Hook, Judas Priest, Secret Affair, John Foxx and The Dooleys &#8211; something for everyone. The host was Peter Powell.</p>
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		<title>By: peter goodlaws</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/10/the-jam-going-undergrounddreams-of-children/#comment-537400</link>
		<dc:creator>peter goodlaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God, much as I love this, if anything is going to put me off, it’s the idea of “real geezer music”…&quot;

Get her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God, much as I love this, if anything is going to put me off, it’s the idea of “real geezer music”…&#8221;</p>
<p>Get her!</p>
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		<title>By: grange85</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/10/the-jam-going-undergrounddreams-of-children/#comment-537219</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shortly after this I saw Rick Buckler in Debenhams in Guildford buying pine furniture...I think that might have been the day punk died...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shortly after this I saw Rick Buckler in Debenhams in Guildford buying pine furniture&#8230;I think that might have been the day punk died&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lonepilgrim</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/10/the-jam-going-undergrounddreams-of-children/#comment-537172</link>
		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there were a great many crossovers between the original punks and the new romantics - there was Adam and the Ants, Rich Kids featured Glen Matlock of the pistols with Midge Ure and Rusty Egan who went off to join Ultravox and Visage, etc., Bands like Soft Cell modelled themselves on Suicide who were more punk than punk - having been frequently been bottled and booed when supporting the Clash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there were a great many crossovers between the original punks and the new romantics &#8211; there was Adam and the Ants, Rich Kids featured Glen Matlock of the pistols with Midge Ure and Rusty Egan who went off to join Ultravox and Visage, etc., Bands like Soft Cell modelled themselves on Suicide who were more punk than punk &#8211; having been frequently been bottled and booed when supporting the Clash.</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/10/the-jam-going-undergrounddreams-of-children/#comment-537158</link>
		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve strange was in a band with chrissie hynde called the moors murderers -- according to legend they debuted at the same show as the slits did at holland park comprehensive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve strange was in a band with chrissie hynde called the moors murderers &#8212; according to legend they debuted at the same show as the slits did at holland park comprehensive</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think punk gave a lot of impetus to the New Romantic scene, in terms of a DIY ethic and a desire to express one&#039;s individualism. While both had the whole art-school thing in common.

To me, the new romantic movement took up the baton from the class of 76 and took it somewhere different musically - I still see both subcultures/movements as kindred spirits, not one anti the other.

I was so into that scene as a kid that I considered The Police and the Jam in particular as &quot;the establishment&quot; at the time, due in no small part to their huge commercial success, but also for reasons that I probably couldn&#039;t have articulated at the time. Although one obvious one would be fey/effeminate Strange, Sylvian etc held far more appeal and seemed far more glamorous to 14 year old me than blokish Weller and his mates. That&#039;s another reason why I saw them as &quot;establishment&quot; - they were conventional in dress sense as well as choice of instruments. Now, If Weller had made his Long Hot Summer video 3 years earlier it would have been a different story!

I appreciate both acts far more now and while I&#039;ve never loved The Police, I came close to loving The Jam - Sound Affects and All Mod Cons are terrific albums. And me for that great run of singles starts wih &quot;Tube Station&quot; and runs up to &quot;That&#039;s Entertainment&quot;. They were a consistently excellent singles band.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think punk gave a lot of impetus to the New Romantic scene, in terms of a DIY ethic and a desire to express one&#8217;s individualism. While both had the whole art-school thing in common.</p>
<p>To me, the new romantic movement took up the baton from the class of 76 and took it somewhere different musically &#8211; I still see both subcultures/movements as kindred spirits, not one anti the other.</p>
<p>I was so into that scene as a kid that I considered The Police and the Jam in particular as &#8220;the establishment&#8221; at the time, due in no small part to their huge commercial success, but also for reasons that I probably couldn&#8217;t have articulated at the time. Although one obvious one would be fey/effeminate Strange, Sylvian etc held far more appeal and seemed far more glamorous to 14 year old me than blokish Weller and his mates. That&#8217;s another reason why I saw them as &#8220;establishment&#8221; &#8211; they were conventional in dress sense as well as choice of instruments. Now, If Weller had made his Long Hot Summer video 3 years earlier it would have been a different story!</p>
<p>I appreciate both acts far more now and while I&#8217;ve never loved The Police, I came close to loving The Jam &#8211; Sound Affects and All Mod Cons are terrific albums. And me for that great run of singles starts wih &#8220;Tube Station&#8221; and runs up to &#8220;That&#8217;s Entertainment&#8221;. They were a consistently excellent singles band.</p>
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		<title>By: H.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much recognise the scene Conrad@55 paints, but I wonder about its direct affiliation with punk. There&#039;s an argument that punk was an atavistic return to rock roots, while the Blitz scene was a continuation of what went on before the punk interruption, ie glam/art rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much recognise the scene Conrad@55 paints, but I wonder about its direct affiliation with punk. There&#8217;s an argument that punk was an atavistic return to rock roots, while the Blitz scene was a continuation of what went on before the punk interruption, ie glam/art rock.</p>
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