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	<title>Comments on: All My Friends Were There</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
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		<title>By: Dan R</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-457591</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That might be the explanation, but that would suggest the Master was pretty dim. The universe is reckoned to be about 93 billion light years across. Even if radio waves travel at the speed of light, which they probably do in a vacuum, it would still have taken him, well, 93 billion light years to inform the whole universe. He was bound to get caught in that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That might be the explanation, but that would suggest the Master was pretty dim. The universe is reckoned to be about 93 billion light years across. Even if radio waves travel at the speed of light, which they probably do in a vacuum, it would still have taken him, well, 93 billion light years to inform the whole universe. He was bound to get caught in that time.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-454407</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is surely bcz the Master's "universal message" has approximately enough time to reach the moon before he gets defeated as per.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is surely bcz the Master&#8217;s &#8220;universal message&#8221; has approximately enough time to reach the moon before he gets defeated as per.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan R</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-454403</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Logopolis (1981) - he nerdishly recalls - The Master broadcasts a message to the peoples of the universe demanding their obedience or he'll close a loophole in the fabric of space and destroy everything. 

No one even seems to notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Logopolis (1981) - he nerdishly recalls - The Master broadcasts a message to the peoples of the universe demanding their obedience or he&#8217;ll close a loophole in the fabric of space and destroy everything. </p>
<p>No one even seems to notice.</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-454336</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shorter the above: i don't think this final ep was bad writing per se, i think it was high-octane flippant and witty writing a kind of deliberate dizzy camping the conventions -- and i thought it was funny (with brisk scary moments), which is honestly the only way you can play the daleks now (who are after all nearly as old as me and exactly as good at ruling the universe)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shorter the above: i don&#8217;t think this final ep was bad writing per se, i think it was high-octane flippant and witty writing a kind of deliberate dizzy camping the conventions &#8212; and i thought it was funny (with brisk scary moments), which is honestly the only way you can play the daleks now (who are after all nearly as old as me and exactly as good at ruling the universe)</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-454331</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"How exactly does aligning a few planets create a reality bomb?" -- i know the answer to this but i dare not reveal it on a website the terrorists might read (let alone freaky trigger haw haw) 

there's an inherent problem with "oh noes the universe is about to go up OOPS sorted d00ds", where all the action takes place in one tiny bit room of it: old-skool dr who essentially traded off the constraints of low budget against not even being reminded of all the lives on all the other stars: the much higher production values these days constantly ramp up such thoughts these days, and they kinda need to be dealt with (this is probably where i used to insert my anti d-Uggl.ass adams rant, isn't it?)

the technobabble climax was like an insane cadenza -- it's verbal cgi and i think RTD has always used it very wittily*, never more than here -- anyway i LOVED it (esp.the sense that davros was sitting through it thinking "this is just gibberish, when i talk such gibberish i always LOSE, it's not FAIR")

*he's very flippant about the proprieties of SF insofar as they're hidden rationalisations of the technological practicality of a given medium in a given TV era -- and this is excellent -- but he's not quite so flippant about the proprieties of soap-opera-as-emotional-technology; or at least, the only spanner he can throw into that works is a rather sentimentalised post-stonewall counter-dynamic, a dynamic that doesn't merely equate boy-gets-girl with happy ending; but does rather reach glass-ceiling cruise-speed at happyface pansexual flirtiness (i want twrchwwd to be abt the tensions and grind of the Unlicenced Zone, not its e'd endless awesomeness)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How exactly does aligning a few planets create a reality bomb?&#8221; &#8212; i know the answer to this but i dare not reveal it on a website the terrorists might read (let alone freaky trigger haw haw) </p>
<p>there&#8217;s an inherent problem with &#8220;oh noes the universe is about to go up OOPS sorted d00ds&#8221;, where all the action takes place in one tiny bit room of it: old-skool dr who essentially traded off the constraints of low budget against not even being reminded of all the lives on all the other stars: the much higher production values these days constantly ramp up such thoughts these days, and they kinda need to be dealt with (this is probably where i used to insert my anti d-Uggl.ass adams rant, isn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<p>the technobabble climax was like an insane cadenza &#8212; it&#8217;s verbal cgi and i think RTD has always used it very wittily*, never more than here &#8212; anyway i LOVED it (esp.the sense that davros was sitting through it thinking &#8220;this is just gibberish, when i talk such gibberish i always LOSE, it&#8217;s not FAIR&#8221;)</p>
<p>*he&#8217;s very flippant about the proprieties of SF insofar as they&#8217;re hidden rationalisations of the technological practicality of a given medium in a given TV era &#8212; and this is excellent &#8212; but he&#8217;s not quite so flippant about the proprieties of soap-opera-as-emotional-technology; or at least, the only spanner he can throw into that works is a rather sentimentalised post-stonewall counter-dynamic, a dynamic that doesn&#8217;t merely equate boy-gets-girl with happy ending; but does rather reach glass-ceiling cruise-speed at happyface pansexual flirtiness (i want twrchwwd to be abt the tensions and grind of the Unlicenced Zone, not its e&#8217;d endless awesomeness)</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't imagine disliking Jackie now. I re-watched 'Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday' the other week and her turn in that is a real joy. I really would not have bothered bringing her back tho, even if the "sorry Gita...*waaaarp*" was kinda cool (or indeed freezing cold).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t imagine disliking Jackie now. I re-watched &#8216;Army Of Ghosts/Doomsday&#8217; the other week and her turn in that is a real joy. I really would not have bothered bringing her back tho, even if the &#8220;sorry Gita&#8230;*waaaarp*&#8221; was kinda cool (or indeed freezing cold).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #14

I don't hate Donna's mum as much as Rose's mum. 

That finale had lots to enjoy but it also demonstrated the decline in Russell T Davies's writing for the show. He seems to have become obsessed that the show needs to be high-concept sci-fi but he's lost sight of how high concept works. (a) If you're going to create a big concept you need to follow it through - if the walls between different realities are breaking down, wouldn't that show itself in more ways than Rose and her mum popping across dimensions? How precisely do you tow a planet across the solar system and only knock over the furniture? How exactly does aligning a few planets create a reality bomb? So, are we actually saying the doctor can clone himself from body parts? Oh and actually how DID he stop himself regenerating? How actually did a zap of energy release the doctorness inside Donna? Why are the people of earth debating the appearance of 26 new planets rather than being UTTERLY FUCKING SENT MAD by it? (b) But this doesn't mean we need more explanations to make it make sense. The worst thing about this series has been the clunky exposition and the need to wrap everything up. You wrap up stories through action, through people's behaviour; that's what tells good stories. If you have characters having to explain to each other in silly technobabble what's going on you're just giving the IMPRESSION of an explanation, not explaining anything. This episode had so much to explain but very few resources to explain it with - even taking into account the extra 20 minutes...

Which sounds carping and of course I am delighted with the revived Dr Who and the classic series was never exactly short of technobabble and dodgy concepts. But given how sure-footed the first two seasons were, I hope Moffat takes stock and raises the writing standard.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t hate Donna&#8217;s mum as much as Rose&#8217;s mum. </p>
<p>That finale had lots to enjoy but it also demonstrated the decline in Russell T Davies&#8217;s writing for the show. He seems to have become obsessed that the show needs to be high-concept sci-fi but he&#8217;s lost sight of how high concept works. (a) If you&#8217;re going to create a big concept you need to follow it through - if the walls between different realities are breaking down, wouldn&#8217;t that show itself in more ways than Rose and her mum popping across dimensions? How precisely do you tow a planet across the solar system and only knock over the furniture? How exactly does aligning a few planets create a reality bomb? So, are we actually saying the doctor can clone himself from body parts? Oh and actually how DID he stop himself regenerating? How actually did a zap of energy release the doctorness inside Donna? Why are the people of earth debating the appearance of 26 new planets rather than being UTTERLY FUCKING SENT MAD by it? (b) But this doesn&#8217;t mean we need more explanations to make it make sense. The worst thing about this series has been the clunky exposition and the need to wrap everything up. You wrap up stories through action, through people&#8217;s behaviour; that&#8217;s what tells good stories. If you have characters having to explain to each other in silly technobabble what&#8217;s going on you&#8217;re just giving the IMPRESSION of an explanation, not explaining anything. This episode had so much to explain but very few resources to explain it with - even taking into account the extra 20 minutes&#8230;</p>
<p>Which sounds carping and of course I am delighted with the revived Dr Who and the classic series was never exactly short of technobabble and dodgy concepts. But given how sure-footed the first two seasons were, I hope Moffat takes stock and raises the writing standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But we're supposed to hate Donna's Mum. She is the villain in Turn Left! 

I think the interesting thing that RTD has done to Who is to make it about these relationships more than the adventures (and ten adventures a year can start to get a little samey). the difficulty, much like the difficulty in doing too many Dalek stories, is finding new ways of doing it. Moffat's Who can easily be more of the same, though I would say he will dial down the emotional and dial up the snappy and witty. I want a bit more risk taking, but have really enjoyed this series and the lowish common denominator expectations I have for this (and should have for what is a populist TV show trying to please everyone). 

With nu-Who I really am a glass half full person. I've got half a glass a beer AND a receptacle I can top up - from the Moffat tap in 2010.

In many ways the specials intrigue me, no regular companions demands lot of Tennant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But we&#8217;re supposed to hate Donna&#8217;s Mum. She is the villain in Turn Left! </p>
<p>I think the interesting thing that RTD has done to Who is to make it about these relationships more than the adventures (and ten adventures a year can start to get a little samey). the difficulty, much like the difficulty in doing too many Dalek stories, is finding new ways of doing it. Moffat&#8217;s Who can easily be more of the same, though I would say he will dial down the emotional and dial up the snappy and witty. I want a bit more risk taking, but have really enjoyed this series and the lowish common denominator expectations I have for this (and should have for what is a populist TV show trying to please everyone). </p>
<p>With nu-Who I really am a glass half full person. I&#8217;ve got half a glass a beer AND a receptacle I can top up - from the Moffat tap in 2010.</p>
<p>In many ways the specials intrigue me, no regular companions demands lot of Tennant.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453744</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point altho it's only over the course of a series that characters endear themselves to those who initially dislike them. we still hate Donna's Mum tho!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point altho it&#8217;s only over the course of a series that characters endear themselves to those who initially dislike them. we still hate Donna&#8217;s Mum tho!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453735</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moffat is good at creating smart characters, I think - of *course* we like Madame De P and Sally S. and River S., they are smart hott well-educated women so the dice are very much loaded in their favour, and the contrarian in me kicks back a little against that, just like it does when you see a character who is designed to be cool, since in a fictional world the hidden rules of the universe can bend to make them cool.

RTD on the other hand is good at making you like characters you think you won't - Mickey, Jackie, Donna. (OK some people never liked Jackie). I appreciate the work he put in, and made us put in, there. Sally Sparrow and her dopey indie dude are charming and wonderful but there's no work involved.

I don't mean to criticise Moffat - I've loved all his episodes so far and I'm really looking forward to seeing what he does with the show. But I also loved the preposterousness and gooeyness of RTD's era, and Saturday's ep made me realise I'll miss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moffat is good at creating smart characters, I think - of *course* we like Madame De P and Sally S. and River S., they are smart hott well-educated women so the dice are very much loaded in their favour, and the contrarian in me kicks back a little against that, just like it does when you see a character who is designed to be cool, since in a fictional world the hidden rules of the universe can bend to make them cool.</p>
<p>RTD on the other hand is good at making you like characters you think you won&#8217;t - Mickey, Jackie, Donna. (OK some people never liked Jackie). I appreciate the work he put in, and made us put in, there. Sally Sparrow and her dopey indie dude are charming and wonderful but there&#8217;s no work involved.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to criticise Moffat - I&#8217;ve loved all his episodes so far and I&#8217;m really looking forward to seeing what he does with the show. But I also loved the preposterousness and gooeyness of RTD&#8217;s era, and Saturday&#8217;s ep made me realise I&#8217;ll miss it.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453731</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re Moffat's instant romances (tho always cunningly contrived thru eras) v RTD's current companion-based ones, I think you're probably right that they're equally flawed (if that's what you implied) but I do find Moffat's more satisfying and compelling regardless. I don't think this is just wilfulness either - but maybe it is just the time-addled context of them that appeals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re Moffat&#8217;s instant romances (tho always cunningly contrived thru eras) v RTD&#8217;s current companion-based ones, I think you&#8217;re probably right that they&#8217;re equally flawed (if that&#8217;s what you implied) but I do find Moffat&#8217;s more satisfying and compelling regardless. I don&#8217;t think this is just wilfulness either - but maybe it is just the time-addled context of them that appeals.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but Moffat's "everybody lives" won't apply once he is boss...and it's still infinitely better than RTD's "ONE WILL "DIE"!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but Moffat&#8217;s &#8220;everybody lives&#8221; won&#8217;t apply once he is boss&#8230;and it&#8217;s still infinitely better than RTD&#8217;s &#8220;ONE WILL &#8220;DIE&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think sentimentalism - on current evidence - is one of the things Moffat is worst at: "nobody dies!" was terrific in the first season but a bit annoying this time, and his instant romances (Pompadour/Doctor, River Song/Doctor) are certainly no less clunky or more emotionally convincing than RTD's IMO.

He's much better at winkling bits of emotion out of tricksy sci-fi concepts: Donna's vanishing kids, "the same rain", etc. But that's not necessarily sentimental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think sentimentalism - on current evidence - is one of the things Moffat is worst at: &#8220;nobody dies!&#8221; was terrific in the first season but a bit annoying this time, and his instant romances (Pompadour/Doctor, River Song/Doctor) are certainly no less clunky or more emotionally convincing than RTD&#8217;s IMO.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s much better at winkling bits of emotion out of tricksy sci-fi concepts: Donna&#8217;s vanishing kids, &#8220;the same rain&#8221;, etc. But that&#8217;s not necessarily sentimental.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Has there ever been a notionally SF series quite so happy to embrace the sentimental? With RTD moving on, will there ever be again?'

Well I'd argue that, in his untouched-by-RTD scripts, Moffat can embrace sentimentalism just as happily. The difference is he does it SO MUCH BETTER although perhaps that is just because it's done in a way that delight adults MORE than kids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Has there ever been a notionally SF series quite so happy to embrace the sentimental? With RTD moving on, will there ever be again?&#8217;</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;d argue that, in his untouched-by-RTD scripts, Moffat can embrace sentimentalism just as happily. The difference is he does it SO MUCH BETTER although perhaps that is just because it&#8217;s done in a way that delight adults MORE than kids?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Sarah Cox regarding science fiction, really.

I understand it, but I don't feel it.

(Futures and Pasts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Sarah Cox regarding science fiction, really.</p>
<p>I understand it, but I don&#8217;t feel it.</p>
<p>(Futures and Pasts)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Dalek reproductive culture, such as it is, seems to be based on endless cloning, experimentation, mass breeding, so "faithful" might have had overtones of "faithful copy", meaning either the doomed-to-die second Doctor or the DoctorDonna...

...or RTD just shoved it into the script as a red herring, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Dalek reproductive culture, such as it is, seems to be based on endless cloning, experimentation, mass breeding, so &#8220;faithful&#8221; might have had overtones of &#8220;faithful copy&#8221;, meaning either the doomed-to-die second Doctor or the DoctorDonna&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;or RTD just shoved it into the script as a red herring, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: byebyepride</title>
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		<dc:creator>byebyepride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the suggestion that Dalek Caan is referring to himself as 'the most faithful companion': the implication being that he has foreseen / engineered what the Dr most wants but can't admit or allow himself to achieve e.g. the extermination of the daleks, so that 'fidelity' means something much more extreme than simply obedience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the suggestion that Dalek Caan is referring to himself as &#8216;the most faithful companion&#8217;: the implication being that he has foreseen / engineered what the Dr most wants but can&#8217;t admit or allow himself to achieve e.g. the extermination of the daleks, so that &#8216;fidelity&#8217; means something much more extreme than simply obedience.</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453639</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"no one died"? that's EXACTLY the kind of racism that makes davros so angry! 

i wondered if dalek khan was talkin about himself maybe -- he is now one of the "children of time" bcz he was "seen thru time" or whatever, hence his crossin the floor so handily</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;no one died&#8221;? that&#8217;s EXACTLY the kind of racism that makes davros so angry! </p>
<p>i wondered if dalek khan was talkin about himself maybe &#8212; he is now one of the &#8220;children of time&#8221; bcz he was &#8220;seen thru time&#8221; or whatever, hence his crossin the floor so handily</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453374</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And bear in mind that the Doc also has two wives* from the series so far AND a daughter. There is a slight ramping up of the emotional stakes which seemed a bit incompatible with a genocidal warrior who has had kids, grandchildren and seen the universe die a number of time. What RTD is good at and got right in this episode was the emotional slight of hand that distracted us from all that.

Er, but no-one actually died (unless Doctor-Donna counts as a death, which it clearly doesn't). The Flowers For Algernon ending was effective because it robbed us of something which was looked like it could be momentarily entertaining. The promise of the Doctor with an equal (cf old Romana days) and playing to Tate's strength as a mimic - no other companion could have pulled off her Tennant routine anywhere near as well. 

Of course we were also robbed of the wonderful possibility of Davros as a companion briefly! 

*River Song as future wifey and Jessica Hynes as sorta parallel wife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And bear in mind that the Doc also has two wives* from the series so far AND a daughter. There is a slight ramping up of the emotional stakes which seemed a bit incompatible with a genocidal warrior who has had kids, grandchildren and seen the universe die a number of time. What RTD is good at and got right in this episode was the emotional slight of hand that distracted us from all that.</p>
<p>Er, but no-one actually died (unless Doctor-Donna counts as a death, which it clearly doesn&#8217;t). The Flowers For Algernon ending was effective because it robbed us of something which was looked like it could be momentarily entertaining. The promise of the Doctor with an equal (cf old Romana days) and playing to Tate&#8217;s strength as a mimic - no other companion could have pulled off her Tennant routine anywhere near as well. </p>
<p>Of course we were also robbed of the wonderful possibility of Davros as a companion briefly! </p>
<p>*River Song as future wifey and Jessica Hynes as sorta parallel wife.</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453159</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i didn't have enough fully-promised half-finished projects on my hand i might embark on a twofold comparison: 

i: of tardis temp-crew dynamics with "normal" spaceship crew permanence: viz star trek and its many generations, my lovely firefly/serenity and so on 
ii: the issue of sentimentality - which i agree is more a fantasy than an SF tool: joss whedon uses it as a pitiless gimlet to bore sharp holes between body and brain, which is where RST gets some of his ideas from, but JW's unusual (in SF anyway) in that i think he sees mother-child as the primary love-unit, not boy-girl, and works everything round that; rusty is blubberingly lumpen when it comes to the primary boy-girl/boy-boy love-thing, once it's actually happening (which is QaF season II was AWFUL), i think bcz he believes in it kinda sorta the big soppy sap (this is partly why i prefer torchwood agenda, where casual zipless promiscuity treated as the norm; a gay male way of dealing with there being more than ONE primary love-thing) (tho to be fair this is what this two doctors/two gfs ending also took in: i liked rose for stubbornly protesting the unfairness of the settlement, "do not go quiet into that long night er parallel light", but yeah, life and esp.timelife does involve parcelling out love between differing objects boo bah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i didn&#8217;t have enough fully-promised half-finished projects on my hand i might embark on a twofold comparison: </p>
<p>i: of tardis temp-crew dynamics with &#8220;normal&#8221; spaceship crew permanence: viz star trek and its many generations, my lovely firefly/serenity and so on<br />
ii: the issue of sentimentality - which i agree is more a fantasy than an SF tool: joss whedon uses it as a pitiless gimlet to bore sharp holes between body and brain, which is where RST gets some of his ideas from, but JW&#8217;s unusual (in SF anyway) in that i think he sees mother-child as the primary love-unit, not boy-girl, and works everything round that; rusty is blubberingly lumpen when it comes to the primary boy-girl/boy-boy love-thing, once it&#8217;s actually happening (which is QaF season II was AWFUL), i think bcz he believes in it kinda sorta the big soppy sap (this is partly why i prefer torchwood agenda, where casual zipless promiscuity treated as the norm; a gay male way of dealing with there being more than ONE primary love-thing) (tho to be fair this is what this two doctors/two gfs ending also took in: i liked rose for stubbornly protesting the unfairness of the settlement, &#8220;do not go quiet into that long night er parallel light&#8221;, but yeah, life and esp.timelife does involve parcelling out love between differing objects boo bah</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453116</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this annoyed me in a mild way and I was half expecting some reference to it as well. Actually there are surprisingly few who just ended up back on Earth where they left off, and some of *those* were killed off in the novels, and several of them the actor's died so by the rule of (UK) soaps the character probably has too... 

I guess there's been research done showing which old school companions the new audience even faintly remember, and the intersect between memorable/available/can vaguely act is very limited. I'd not be surprised, given she's so conceptually bring-backable and given that she was a companion during the peak ratings era, if we didn't see Romana again sometime, but that's about it. RTD is very happy to pull a macguffin out to advance or distract the story, but very very wary of it being an old-continuity macguffin, without heavy trailing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this annoyed me in a mild way and I was half expecting some reference to it as well. Actually there are surprisingly few who just ended up back on Earth where they left off, and some of *those* were killed off in the novels, and several of them the actor&#8217;s died so by the rule of (UK) soaps the character probably has too&#8230; </p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s been research done showing which old school companions the new audience even faintly remember, and the intersect between memorable/available/can vaguely act is very limited. I&#8217;d not be surprised, given she&#8217;s so conceptually bring-backable and given that she was a companion during the peak ratings era, if we didn&#8217;t see Romana again sometime, but that&#8217;s about it. RTD is very happy to pull a macguffin out to advance or distract the story, but very very wary of it being an old-continuity macguffin, without heavy trailing.</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/07/all-my-friends-were-there/#comment-453007</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whenever dalek khan was tittering "teehee the CHILDREN of TIME" i was thinking of all the second-tier children that for no good reason didn't make the cut (admittedly some of this was mere p^nk-s k9-rage: viz why is SARAH JANE AND HER STUPID ROBOT DOGGY a-list when zoe and leela and harry and...) (and what about all the companions BEFORE susan?) (also: WHY IS CRIBBINS NOT CANON? he flew with dr keith who) 

(i assume there are continuity-piffle reasons SOME of them couldn't have been called up --- oh noes! it's adric!! --- but it's the kind of rationalisation of constraints that disappoints me, given that amusingly gaming the rationalisation of constraints is one of RTD's things)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whenever dalek khan was tittering &#8220;teehee the CHILDREN of TIME&#8221; i was thinking of all the second-tier children that for no good reason didn&#8217;t make the cut (admittedly some of this was mere p^nk-s k9-rage: viz why is SARAH JANE AND HER STUPID ROBOT DOGGY a-list when zoe and leela and harry and&#8230;) (and what about all the companions BEFORE susan?) (also: WHY IS CRIBBINS NOT CANON? he flew with dr keith who) </p>
<p>(i assume there are continuity-piffle reasons SOME of them couldn&#8217;t have been called up &#8212; oh noes! it&#8217;s adric!! &#8212; but it&#8217;s the kind of rationalisation of constraints that disappoints me, given that amusingly gaming the rationalisation of constraints is one of RTD&#8217;s things)</p>
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