Comments on: 5 Point Plan For The UK To Win* Eurovision http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/ Lollards in the high church of low culture Tue, 29 May 2012 02:19:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Tom http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-616611 Tom Sun, 17 May 2009 15:11:29 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-616611 "Maybe come a respectable fifth" - job done. “Maybe come a respectable fifth” – job done.

]]> By: Tom http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-571611 Tom Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:16:42 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-571611 I say, shrewd call by Marcello re. Graham N! I say, shrewd call by Marcello re. Graham N!

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-430108 DJ Punctum Wed, 28 May 2008 14:25:20 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-430108 Note of course that BARDO with their NEW POP EUROVISION TRIUMPH (written and produced by Andy Hill and Nicola Martin, just like Bucks Fizz) were CRIMINALLY robbed of their RIGHTFUL VICTORY by nauseatingly niggling reminders of Britain's then current involvement in ACTUAL WAR thus tut tut sit down and learn DIGNITY from TEENAGE MUTANT AUSTRIAN NUN singing "A Little Piss" (which, to rub the SB-excluded salt in, was the 500th number one single in Britain whereas BARDO were STOPPED at number two by Paul and Stevie living in a piano). Wogan took a dim view of that too. Note of course that BARDO with their NEW POP EUROVISION TRIUMPH (written and produced by Andy Hill and Nicola Martin, just like Bucks Fizz) were CRIMINALLY robbed of their RIGHTFUL VICTORY by nauseatingly niggling reminders of Britain’s then current involvement in ACTUAL WAR thus tut tut sit down and learn DIGNITY from TEENAGE MUTANT AUSTRIAN NUN singing “A Little Piss” (which, to rub the SB-excluded salt in, was the 500th number one single in Britain whereas BARDO were STOPPED at number two by Paul and Stevie living in a piano).

Wogan took a dim view of that too.

]]> By: CarsmileSteve http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429381 CarsmileSteve Tue, 27 May 2008 16:24:46 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429381 we laff in the face of Spoiler Bunny away from popular ;) are you mainly talking about 76-81 Marcello? BARDO (still my favourite UK entry) didn't rly fit this mould post-bucks fizz did they? mind you i couldn't name another UK entry from then 'til sonia so perhaps i am proving my own point here. um, that one with smantha janus in, err michael ball? we laff in the face of Spoiler Bunny away from popular ;)

are you mainly talking about 76-81 Marcello? BARDO (still my favourite UK entry) didn’t rly fit this mould post-bucks fizz did they? mind you i couldn’t name another UK entry from then ’til sonia so perhaps i am proving my own point here. um, that one with smantha janus in, err michael ball?

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429307 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 14:40:15 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429307 Well, since the days of Motherhood of Bran, when The Man decided that Britain could just put together a floating pool of session singers, give them a different funny name every year and stick with the oompah-oompah business until the scheme REBOUNDED on them but SB is twitching. Well, since the days of Motherhood of Bran, when The Man decided that Britain could just put together a floating pool of session singers, give them a different funny name every year and stick with the oompah-oompah business until the scheme REBOUNDED on them but SB is twitching.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429268 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 13:53:17 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429268 yes of course the other downside to my OBVIOUSLY BRILLIANT PLANS is that it's the acts themselves that have been leery, at all levels, of the accolade -- at least since the days of Lord Cliff of Tastic. Doubtless if I go round grabbing lapels and EXPLAINING DEMENTEDLY this leeriness will dissipate yes of course the other downside to my OBVIOUSLY BRILLIANT PLANS is that it’s the acts themselves that have been leery, at all levels, of the accolade — at least since the days of Lord Cliff of Tastic. Doubtless if I go round grabbing lapels and EXPLAINING DEMENTEDLY this leeriness will dissipate

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429247 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 13:32:53 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429247 K&tW: a) were no doubt the first act asked to say yes; b) probably everyone's favourite Newmarket-based expatriate American pop group. Simon Barnes to thread for confirmation plz. K&tW:

a) were no doubt the first act asked to say yes;
b) probably everyone’s favourite Newmarket-based expatriate American pop group. Simon Barnes to thread for confirmation plz.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429213 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 12:40:34 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429213 er yes that'd be HERDS (said the fellow putting together a large paper on the need for org-wide sub-editing and proofing) er yes that’d be HERDS (said the fellow putting together a large paper on the need for org-wide sub-editing and proofing)

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429209 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 12:39:35 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429209 animals: bah the eastern europes would cheat there too, with heard of cuet yak and sturgeons and bears and etc animals: bah the eastern europes would cheat there too, with heard of cuet yak and sturgeons and bears and etc

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429206 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 12:38:10 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429206 "Katrina & the Waves" <--- not to be mean but surely this is some steps below the level of "at least they successfully ran the value-judgement gauntlet of SOME extant constituency" that i have in mind: ie the choice consciously attempted to address a specific issue but kinda sorta veers off right when it comes to the solution (were K&tW for example ever ANYONE'S favourite popgroup? possibly the answer here is YES OF COURSE -- to me they always seemed more a 'middle way choice careful not to offend key constuencies) “Katrina & the Waves” <— not to be mean but surely this is some steps below the level of “at least they successfully ran the value-judgement gauntlet of SOME extant constituency” that i have in mind: ie the choice consciously attempted to address a specific issue but kinda sorta veers off right when it comes to the solution

(were K&tW for example ever ANYONE’S favourite popgroup? possibly the answer here is YES OF COURSE — to me they always seemed more a ‘middle way choice careful not to offend key constuencies)

]]> By: Tom http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429203 Tom Tue, 27 May 2008 12:29:35 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429203 We had an "are you allowed animals on stage at Eurovision?" conversation on Saturday night and decided that no, probably you aren't, just because we'd have seen them by now. We had an “are you allowed animals on stage at Eurovision?” conversation on Saturday night and decided that no, probably you aren’t, just because we’d have seen them by now.

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429202 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 12:27:38 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429202 What are the chances that the girl/dog act currently wowing the viewers on <i>Britain's Got Talent</i> will perform next year's entry? What are the chances that the girl/dog act currently wowing the viewers on Britain’s Got Talent will perform next year’s entry?

]]> By: The Dirty Vicar http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429201 The Dirty Vicar Tue, 27 May 2008 12:26:19 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429201 One great thing about living in Ireland is that you can watch the Eurovision without having to listen to Terry Wogan. It would be great if some widely hated British figure had been sent to Ireland to do our coverage for us, but this is not the case. One great thing about living in Ireland is that you can watch the Eurovision without having to listen to Terry Wogan.

It would be great if some widely hated British figure had been sent to Ireland to do our coverage for us, but this is not the case.

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429199 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 12:25:47 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429199 Part of the reason Katrina & the Waves got drafted in to do it in '97 was that many inside punters reckoned that the Gina G song would have had a much better chance of winning in '96 had Kylie done it. Part of the reason Katrina & the Waves got drafted in to do it in ’97 was that many inside punters reckoned that the Gina G song would have had a much better chance of winning in ’96 had Kylie done it.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429176 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 11:48:33 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429176 well ok, maybe, but if the winner had had to go on to craft a eurovision entry, frith's "political" reasons would have had to evolve in a complicated new dimension! (and at least he takes tactical and positional play seriously -- ie does it for reasons he actually believes in! i am merely taking his seriousness seriously, in order to raise HIS game: win-win!) (PLUS if they'd entered a “Search For The Bastard Hero” clone and come last, RESULT! win-win-win!) well ok, maybe, but if the winner had had to go on to craft a eurovision entry, frith’s “political” reasons would have had to evolve in a complicated new dimension!

(and at least he takes tactical and positional play seriously — ie does it for reasons he actually believes in! i am merely taking his seriousness seriously, in order to raise HIS game: win-win!)

(PLUS if they’d entered a “Search For The Bastard Hero” clone and come last, RESULT! win-win-win!)

]]> By: Tom http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429171 Tom Tue, 27 May 2008 11:46:13 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429171 M People's win gave birth to popism! M People’s win gave birth to popism!

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429166 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 11:41:12 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429166 They won it for POLITICAL reasons, i.e. Frith looking for premature reactive popism and finding it in the wrong place. If M People had gone forth to Eurovision it would have been a "Search For The Bastard Hero" clone and well you know it. They won it for POLITICAL reasons, i.e. Frith looking for premature reactive popism and finding it in the wrong place.

If M People had gone forth to Eurovision it would have been a “Search For The Bastard Hero” clone and well you know it.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429160 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 11:37:20 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429160 m-people might have come up with something good bcz out of their own comfort zone)! (obviously my strategy is a bit contradictory here: it would have to involve me and you and _______ and ________ coming in and giving a workshop on avoding bad assumptions and embracing adventure) (yodel-i-ee nim nim) also even if you feel m-people are very extremely lame they are self-evidently not what tom is calling the mangiest of brit-industry pups, by virtue of actually winning the mercury m-people might have come up with something good bcz out of their own comfort zone)! (obviously my strategy is a bit contradictory here: it would have to involve me and you and _______ and ________ coming in and giving a workshop on avoding bad assumptions and embracing adventure) (yodel-i-ee nim nim)

also even if you feel m-people are very extremely lame they are self-evidently not what tom is calling the mangiest of brit-industry pups, by virtue of actually winning the mercury

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429154 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 11:22:52 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429154 The immediate trouble with your Mercury theory is that M People probably would have gone on to do something Eurovisiony. The immediate trouble with your Mercury theory is that M People probably would have gone on to do something Eurovisiony.

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429153 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 11:21:53 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429153 You'll hate Graham Norton worse. Again I have to drag in that humunculus of all attempted risk and adventure in this sphere, viz. the Family Audience, viz. mustn't upset Grandma/tot/&c. You’ll hate Graham Norton worse.

Again I have to drag in that humunculus of all attempted risk and adventure in this sphere, viz. the Family Audience, viz. mustn’t upset Grandma/tot/&c.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429151 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 11:19:28 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429151 hee i hate wogan so much hee i hate wogan so much

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429148 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 11:18:38 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429148 well i guess my suggestion is that we ("we") entirely set aside the concept of what constitutes a "eurovision" song and concentrate on entering a song that we judge to have quality in ANY other sphere or zone or genre haha ok what follows is half a joke but HALF NOT: why not make it a condition of winning the mercury that your next er "outing" be to focus all your talents and energies on a eurovision entry -- it's not as if we could do worse than we're currently doing, why not gamble on an actual value judgment (obviously a contested one, it wouldn't be a value judgment if it wasn't contested), instead of another year of "truculent pastiche of so-called value judgments of TEH SO-CALLED EUROPES, values we despise and resent and can't be bothered really to get and can't believe are being taken seriously" woganismus is manifestly a symptom of our ("our") bad faith-- the fact that he's been allowed to host for so long is a more EXTREME version of the scooch issue well i guess my suggestion is that we (“we”) entirely set aside the concept of what constitutes a “eurovision” song and concentrate on entering a song that we judge to have quality in ANY other sphere or zone or genre

haha ok what follows is half a joke but HALF NOT: why not make it a condition of winning the mercury that your next er “outing” be to focus all your talents and energies on a eurovision entry — it’s not as if we could do worse than we’re currently doing, why not gamble on an actual value judgment (obviously a contested one, it wouldn’t be a value judgment if it wasn’t contested), instead of another year of “truculent pastiche of so-called value judgments of TEH SO-CALLED EUROPES, values we despise and resent and can’t be bothered really to get and can’t believe are being taken seriously”

woganismus is manifestly a symptom of our (“our”) bad faith– the fact that he’s been allowed to host for so long is a more EXTREME version of the scooch issue

]]> By: DJ Punctum http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429140 DJ Punctum Tue, 27 May 2008 10:55:25 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429140 I heard "Back Street Luv" by top '71 circus band Curved Air on the radio the other day and that would have pwned Eurovision this year if sent to the Eastern Bloc for consideration. Kevin doesn't really "do" Eurovision songs, though, does he, unless you count the <i>My Beauty</i> stuff with altered Kev lyrics. I heard “Back Street Luv” by top ’71 circus band Curved Air on the radio the other day and that would have pwned Eurovision this year if sent to the Eastern Bloc for consideration.

Kevin doesn’t really “do” Eurovision songs, though, does he, unless you count the My Beauty stuff with altered Kev lyrics.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429133 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 27 May 2008 10:38:23 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429133 in re the uk and "circus", the strangest thing about "our" attitude is that virtually EVERYTHING to do with "rock culture" since c.68 and indeed "post-rock culture" has been taken off the table (left off the table by the giffers perhaps, but also not put ON the table by "rock" culture: it's as if we're saying, "well, to work to our strengths would merely taint us all" bviously a broad cultural discussion of what our strengths pop and/or rock-wise ARE would instantly turn into a massive flamewar across all of everywhere, but maybe this would be a good thing? i think kevin rowland should stand in re the uk and “circus”, the strangest thing about “our” attitude is that virtually EVERYTHING to do with “rock culture” since c.68 and indeed “post-rock culture” has been taken off the table (left off the table by the giffers perhaps, but also not put ON the table by “rock” culture: it’s as if we’re saying, “well, to work to our strengths would merely taint us all”

bviously a broad cultural discussion of what our strengths pop and/or rock-wise ARE would instantly turn into a massive flamewar across all of everywhere, but maybe this would be a good thing?

i think kevin rowland should stand

]]> By: jeff w http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429124 jeff w Tue, 27 May 2008 10:20:31 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/05/5-point-plan-for-the-uk-to-win-eurovision/#comment-429124 Mobilising the UK expat community is clearly key. Since Eurovision is apparently big in Australia, maybe we can... um, 'arrange' for them to be able to vote! Although that will more likely benefit the Greeks, Serbs and Croats than us. Mobilising the UK expat community is clearly key. Since Eurovision is apparently big in Australia, maybe we can… um, ‘arrange’ for them to be able to vote! Although that will more likely benefit the Greeks, Serbs and Croats than us.

]]>