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	<title>Comments on: Europop 2008: Group C - France 2 Holland 2</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over 1000 download/plays! and only 21 votes before the poll closed :-/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over 1000 download/plays! and only 21 votes before the poll closed :-/</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dank je Anouk!!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/04/europop-2008-group-c-france-v-holland/#comment-415441</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 11:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more day left to vote in this (extension cos of bank holiday).</description>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the rule is if you're going to rap in foreign, try and make it sound like your swearing in English to make it work. The backings OK for the French, but man alive the vocals make it stillborn.

Yes Anouk is a bit Bonnie Tyler (a good thing) and perhaps a stronger song would suit this cavernous voice - but it (with the wxception of the poor Uh-oh-uh-oh-uh) is less annoying than the French. Anouk over Nelle's backing, now that might be interesting. Close, but Dutch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the rule is if you&#8217;re going to rap in foreign, try and make it sound like your swearing in English to make it work. The backings OK for the French, but man alive the vocals make it stillborn.</p>
<p>Yes Anouk is a bit Bonnie Tyler (a good thing) and perhaps a stronger song would suit this cavernous voice - but it (with the wxception of the poor Uh-oh-uh-oh-uh) is less annoying than the French. Anouk over Nelle&#8217;s backing, now that might be interesting. Close, but Dutch.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt DC</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/04/europop-2008-group-c-france-v-holland/#comment-412254</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frustrating and ultimately poor tie this - the Dutch aim for shexy football and almost get there, but they can't quite hide their inherent frumpiness and reluctance to get forward. Despite a decent riff and solid bedrock, the incisive final ball isn't quite there and the singer makes poor use of what might possibly be a good voice. 

Meanwhile what this most unpredictable of French teams is up to is anyone's guess. I spent half the tie wandering if they were going to backheel into their own net. They've eschewed the pretty passing game of their first match and tried to win ugly, but I've heard Yelle do better than this and there just isn't much of a tune. However, when they throw everyone forward in the final minute its gets better, and the resulting scramble sees the winner go in off a wobbly synth player's derriere. But they all count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frustrating and ultimately poor tie this - the Dutch aim for shexy football and almost get there, but they can&#8217;t quite hide their inherent frumpiness and reluctance to get forward. Despite a decent riff and solid bedrock, the incisive final ball isn&#8217;t quite there and the singer makes poor use of what might possibly be a good voice. </p>
<p>Meanwhile what this most unpredictable of French teams is up to is anyone&#8217;s guess. I spent half the tie wandering if they were going to backheel into their own net. They&#8217;ve eschewed the pretty passing game of their first match and tried to win ugly, but I&#8217;ve heard Yelle do better than this and there just isn&#8217;t much of a tune. However, when they throw everyone forward in the final minute its gets better, and the resulting scramble sees the winner go in off a wobbly synth player&#8217;s derriere. But they all count.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat but logged out innit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat but logged out innit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Yelle from the LoP! Netherlands = much sillier, tick vg just for the 'I'm about to close up shop, you need a servant go find someone else' line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Yelle from the LoP! Netherlands = much sillier, tick vg just for the &#8216;I&#8217;m about to close up shop, you need a servant go find someone else&#8217; line.</p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha having barely heard of any act so far, suddenly a contest in which I know both acts!

AND I STILL HATE YELLE A LOT. god she's annoying. this is some sort of nadir for "deliberately shitty hipster rapping", yeah? god I don't know why people do shit like this, you really feel the need to ~cleanse~ yourself afterwards with some jay-z or lil' kim or someone with more than one cadence to their flow AARGH MY EARS. srsly even uffie is a less annoying rapper!

haha anouk is all massive hair and wind machines turned up to the max. not the sort of thing I'd listen to in my own time but superb for drunken karaoke and so on. don't like it enough to d/l but it's not just a default vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha having barely heard of any act so far, suddenly a contest in which I know both acts!</p>
<p>AND I STILL HATE YELLE A LOT. god she&#8217;s annoying. this is some sort of nadir for &#8220;deliberately shitty hipster rapping&#8221;, yeah? god I don&#8217;t know why people do shit like this, you really feel the need to ~cleanse~ yourself afterwards with some jay-z or lil&#8217; kim or someone with more than one cadence to their flow AARGH MY EARS. srsly even uffie is a less annoying rapper!</p>
<p>haha anouk is all massive hair and wind machines turned up to the max. not the sort of thing I&#8217;d listen to in my own time but superb for drunken karaoke and so on. don&#8217;t like it enough to d/l but it&#8217;s not just a default vote.</p>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The coach is in Miami! That's appropriate, 'cause what I like most about the Yelle are the freestyle popcorn beats she throws in for fun in the middle, then the bass slams, and the build to the finish. For a second I'm on a Miami or NY dancefloor in 1987. (Of course, in 1987 I wasn't &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt; Miami or NY, so it's all a utopia in my mind.) The weakness would be the song itself, and Yelle herself, since neither she nor it finds a path to joy or abandon, though both are solidly likable. I'm liking this as a track more than a song.

As for the Dutch, hmmm, borrowing tactics from the Swiss, are we? Take metal riffs, a strong-voiced hussy, eyeliner, melody. I'd say the Scandis and the Angelenos do it better, but I'm liking this; it builds and then holds all through. And I think I kind of owe the Dutch after I'd penalized the squad a goal and a half last time for their Golden Earring gambit. So, my vote goes to Anouk, though I enjoyed both sides of the competition.

As for the French manager's threats, I consider "Dur dur d'être bébé" a gift from the Gods, so I wouldn't mind it as a gift from the Internets either, though I think I may have a cassette of it kicking around my apartment somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The coach is in Miami! That&#8217;s appropriate, &#8217;cause what I like most about the Yelle are the freestyle popcorn beats she throws in for fun in the middle, then the bass slams, and the build to the finish. For a second I&#8217;m on a Miami or NY dancefloor in 1987. (Of course, in 1987 I wasn&#8217;t <i>in</i> Miami or NY, so it&#8217;s all a utopia in my mind.) The weakness would be the song itself, and Yelle herself, since neither she nor it finds a path to joy or abandon, though both are solidly likable. I&#8217;m liking this as a track more than a song.</p>
<p>As for the Dutch, hmmm, borrowing tactics from the Swiss, are we? Take metal riffs, a strong-voiced hussy, eyeliner, melody. I&#8217;d say the Scandis and the Angelenos do it better, but I&#8217;m liking this; it builds and then holds all through. And I think I kind of owe the Dutch after I&#8217;d penalized the squad a goal and a half last time for their Golden Earring gambit. So, my vote goes to Anouk, though I enjoyed both sides of the competition.</p>
<p>As for the French manager&#8217;s threats, I consider &#8220;Dur dur d&#8217;être bébé&#8221; a gift from the Gods, so I wouldn&#8217;t mind it as a gift from the Internets either, though I think I may have a cassette of it kicking around my apartment somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it doesn't mean you can't vote for it. I think people will have their own personal calculus as to when familiarity and quality and suchlike balance or cancel each other out.

There was a potential disciplinary issue with the Yelle song which actually turned up on the League Of Pop last year but i) in the LOP songs are submitted for the judgement of one person, not all, ii) the France manager didn't play in the League Of Pop so there's no reason she'd have known, iii) she's in Miami so couldnt get me an alternative track once I'd realised! So France are cleared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t vote for it. I think people will have their own personal calculus as to when familiarity and quality and suchlike balance or cancel each other out.</p>
<p>There was a potential disciplinary issue with the Yelle song which actually turned up on the League Of Pop last year but i) in the LOP songs are submitted for the judgement of one person, not all, ii) the France manager didn&#8217;t play in the League Of Pop so there&#8217;s no reason she&#8217;d have known, iii) she&#8217;s in Miami so couldnt get me an alternative track once I&#8217;d realised! So France are cleared.</p>
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		<title>By: lockedintheattic</title>
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		<dc:creator>lockedintheattic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does FIPA have any voting guidelines on the 'know the song' issue? I know one of these records very well, does that mean I can't vote for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does FIPA have any voting guidelines on the &#8216;know the song&#8217; issue? I know one of these records very well, does that mean I can&#8217;t vote for it?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveM</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good selections by both - this is VERY tight. The spritely French winger can dazzle although I'm a little concerned by her petulance. Her Dutch counterpart sounds older and wiser but perhaps a little more conventional at the same time. Both stake their claim to victory well but I'm going to have to go for a draw, maybe vote 'tactically'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good selections by both - this is VERY tight. The spritely French winger can dazzle although I&#8217;m a little concerned by her petulance. Her Dutch counterpart sounds older and wiser but perhaps a little more conventional at the same time. Both stake their claim to victory well but I&#8217;m going to have to go for a draw, maybe vote &#8216;tactically&#8217;.</p>
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