Comments on: Us Against The World: My Journey Into Mum-Pop http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/ Lollards in the high church of low culture Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:55:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Post of the Week » Blog Archive » Shortlist for week ending Friday 4th April 2008 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-403157 Post of the Week » Blog Archive » Shortlist for week ending Friday 4th April 2008 Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:33:21 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-403157 [...] Freaky Trigger’s: Us Against The World: My Journey Into Mum-Pop - nominated by [...] [...] Freaky Trigger’s: Us Against The World: My Journey Into Mum-Pop - nominated by [...]

]]> By: Marcello Carlin http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401854 Marcello Carlin Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:41:32 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401854 Thanks to the general uselessness of 2002-era Blogger linkage, you might have to scroll down a bit but it is here: http://cookham.blogspot.com/2002_07_01_archive.html Thanks to the general uselessness of 2002-era Blogger linkage, you might have to scroll down a bit but it is here:

http://cookham.blogspot.com/2002_07_01_archive.html

]]> By: Rob M http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401629 Rob M Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:27:28 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401629 ...And I only brought up Chris Rea's name as an example of what I'd imagine would be boring AOR which dads would listen to. My own dad would run screaming from Chris Rea to be honest, give him Nick Lowe, Ian Hunter and Neil Young any day. Any chance of a link to your CoM piece, Marcello? Looks interesting. …And I only brought up Chris Rea’s name as an example of what I’d imagine would be boring AOR which dads would listen to. My own dad would run screaming from Chris Rea to be honest, give him Nick Lowe, Ian Hunter and Neil Young any day. Any chance of a link to your CoM piece, Marcello? Looks interesting.

]]> By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401607 a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:28:55 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401607 to be honest i only know a fairly small amount of CR's output -- i have always quite liked what i do know, but it seemed possible he had made loads of boring records also! to be honest i only know a fairly small amount of CR’s output — i have always quite liked what i do know, but it seemed possible he had made loads of boring records also!

]]> By: Marcello Carlin http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401583 Marcello Carlin Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:36:03 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401583 No, Mark, you were OTM before you did the crossings out! At least until Rea decided to go back to his blooz rootzzzz rather than do that at which he was actually best, i.e. unlikely mature counterpart to Saint Etienne as conclusively demonstrated on my Rea/St Et piece what I wrote on CoM about 28 years back. No, Mark, you were OTM before you did the crossings out! At least until Rea decided to go back to his blooz rootzzzz rather than do that at which he was actually best, i.e. unlikely mature counterpart to Saint Etienne as conclusively demonstrated on my Rea/St Et piece what I wrote on CoM about 28 years back.

]]> By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401558 pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:40:23 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401558 surely the term of art is "dad-rock"? tho if it is it means PAUL WELLER not chris rea who is <s>beyond amazing</s> <s>a billion times better than</s> by no means as lame as music made by ppl one tenth his age <s>and twice his height</s> surely the term of art is “dad-rock”?

tho if it is it means PAUL WELLER not chris rea who is beyond amazing a billion times better than by no means as lame as music made by ppl one tenth his age and twice his height

]]> By: Kat but logged out innit http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401546 Kat but logged out innit Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:19:34 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401546 I'd say 'Dad-pop' has the same connotations of comforting and unchallenging music, but still clinging on to the music thought of as 'cool' pre-fatherhood. Conversely your average 'Mum-pop' lover is way more likely to let go any pretence that they were ever cool in the first place! :) Big generalisations here of course, but then so is my entire article... I’d say ‘Dad-pop’ has the same connotations of comforting and unchallenging music, but still clinging on to the music thought of as ‘cool’ pre-fatherhood. Conversely your average ‘Mum-pop’ lover is way more likely to let go any pretence that they were ever cool in the first place! :)
Big generalisations here of course, but then so is my entire article…

]]> By: Alan http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401515 Alan Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:11:58 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401515 i raise you: dancing with my 8 month old son to MGMT the other day. (young at heart!) i raise you: dancing with my 8 month old son to MGMT the other day. (young at heart!)

]]> By: Tom http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401502 Tom Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:27:04 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401502 In the case of Foals I know which it is :) In the case of Foals I know which it is :)

]]> By: Rob M http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401501 Rob M Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:23:33 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401501 Is there such a thing as Dad-pop? I'm slightly worried after reading this... I mean, will my tastes change now I have to think about my son? Or does the fact that he'll dance along to Foals with me mean either (a) I'm still foolishly trying to keep up and foisting rubbish upon him or (b) I'm not heading towards Chris Rea yet? Is there such a thing as Dad-pop? I’m slightly worried after reading this… I mean, will my tastes change now I have to think about my son? Or does the fact that he’ll dance along to Foals with me mean either (a) I’m still foolishly trying to keep up and foisting rubbish upon him or (b) I’m not heading towards Chris Rea yet?

]]> By: Erithian http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401102 Erithian Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:05:59 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401102 “You Raise Me Up” – it’s particularly nauseating to think that George Best was sent to his rest by a version of that horrible insipid song. My mum liked it as well, but for her funeral I chose Johnny Cash’s version of “Peace in the Valley” – someone we both agreed about. My wife is now a prime Mum-Pop candidate, and about the latest thing she enthused about was Pulp. Her reaction the other day when I played a CD-library copy of the Gogol Bordello album was something to witness. “You Raise Me Up” – it’s particularly nauseating to think that George Best was sent to his rest by a version of that horrible insipid song. My mum liked it as well, but for her funeral I chose Johnny Cash’s version of “Peace in the Valley” – someone we both agreed about.

My wife is now a prime Mum-Pop candidate, and about the latest thing she enthused about was Pulp. Her reaction the other day when I played a CD-library copy of the Gogol Bordello album was something to witness.

]]> By: Kat but logged out innit http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401093 Kat but logged out innit Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:31:13 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401093 I'd definitely like to investigate further the effects of pop music on teenage identity compared to mum identity - I don't know very much about this area except for my own experience. Obviously there is a whole generation of girls whose teenage identity WAS Westlife, which I haven't covered here as again, it's something of an alien world to me. Whilst 'researching' this bit of writing I did speak to one genuine Wezza fan who had been there since the start, but sadly didn't really get the chance to delve into what made her tick then and now. She is around my age - and a mum. I’d definitely like to investigate further the effects of pop music on teenage identity compared to mum identity - I don’t know very much about this area except for my own experience. Obviously there is a whole generation of girls whose teenage identity WAS Westlife, which I haven’t covered here as again, it’s something of an alien world to me. Whilst ‘researching’ this bit of writing I did speak to one genuine Wezza fan who had been there since the start, but sadly didn’t really get the chance to delve into what made her tick then and now. She is around my age - and a mum.

]]> By: Marcello Carlin http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401085 Marcello Carlin Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:59:28 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401085 My mum loves them. Especially "You Raise Me Up" - both song and video. My thoughts on Westlife I will keep in reserve until <i>Popular</i> reaches that golden day when it has to begin tackling their 98 number ones. My mum loves them. Especially “You Raise Me Up” - both song and video.

My thoughts on Westlife I will keep in reserve until Popular reaches that golden day when it has to begin tackling their 98 number ones.

]]> By: Bec http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401058 Bec Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:41:46 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401058 Quality writing there, Kat! I strongly suspect the last theory is the correct one, though ;) Quality writing there, Kat! I strongly suspect the last theory is the correct one, though ;)

]]> By: Billy Smart http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401043 Billy Smart Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:54:44 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-401043 Great article Kat - I look forward to finding out if you discover anything surprising. I'm never going to be a mum, but I did have a middle-aged Westlife epiphany in central Birmingham a couple of Christmases ago. One music superstore was playing the Bloc Party album and I found myself thinking "Oh turn this noisy rubbish off!" and leaving. Heading to the rival music superstore, Westlife's Greatest Hits were being played and my response was "That's better. Hm, this one's quite pleasant, actually." and then realising that my youth had slipped away for good... Great article Kat - I look forward to finding out if you discover anything surprising.

I’m never going to be a mum, but I did have a middle-aged Westlife epiphany in central Birmingham a couple of Christmases ago. One music superstore was playing the Bloc Party album and I found myself thinking “Oh turn this noisy rubbish off!” and leaving. Heading to the rival music superstore, Westlife’s Greatest Hits were being played and my response was “That’s better. Hm, this one’s quite pleasant, actually.” and then realising that my youth had slipped away for good…

]]> By: Another quick Freaky Trigger recommendation for now « Ned Raggett Ponders It All http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-400984 Another quick Freaky Trigger recommendation for now « Ned Raggett Ponders It All Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:55:30 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-400984 [...] for now March 31, 2008 — Ned Raggett Namely Kat Stevens’ very enjoyable “Us Against The World: My Journey Into Mum-Pop,” which while UK-centric at points is a sharp take on an aspect of pop and consumption thereof that [...] [...] for now March 31, 2008 — Ned Raggett Namely Kat Stevens’ very enjoyable “Us Against The World: My Journey Into Mum-Pop,” which while UK-centric at points is a sharp take on an aspect of pop and consumption thereof that [...]

]]> By: koganbot http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-400942 koganbot Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:41:24 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-400942 Having heard 0 of 9 Westlife albums and maybe 4 out of ?? Westlife singles, I have the following theory: "Us Against The World" is a good song. Not a great song, but better than (for instance) the Sugababes "Denial." I doubt that Westlife strike a Celine chord, in that Celine is in people's face and under their skin, whereas I gather that Westlife are merely nice. Beatles' "Hold Your Hand" era had lots of rattle-clatter and anguish and is less slushy than their well-regarded later albums such as <i>Revolver</i>. Bad Boys are trying to sound like <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE8457MCzdk" rel="nofollow">this</a>. Or maybe not. I just decided I wanted to link it. <i>By the time those teenagers reach their late twenties, the majority of them will have settled upon their particular preference in these areas (nearly all of them also having realised that using pop stars as inspiration for one's career path probably isn't going to work out after all)</i> Hah! Frank (age 54) (though I actually have no intention of dressing like Taylor Swift) Having heard 0 of 9 Westlife albums and maybe 4 out of ?? Westlife singles, I have the following theory:

“Us Against The World” is a good song. Not a great song, but better than (for instance) the Sugababes “Denial.”

I doubt that Westlife strike a Celine chord, in that Celine is in people’s face and under their skin, whereas I gather that Westlife are merely nice.

Beatles’ “Hold Your Hand” era had lots of rattle-clatter and anguish and is less slushy than their well-regarded later albums such as Revolver.

Bad Boys are trying to sound like this. Or maybe not. I just decided I wanted to link it.

By the time those teenagers reach their late twenties, the majority of them will have settled upon their particular preference in these areas (nearly all of them also having realised that using pop stars as inspiration for one’s career path probably isn’t going to work out after all)

Hah!

Frank (age 54) (though I actually have no intention of dressing like Taylor Swift)

]]> By: katstevens http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-400853 katstevens Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:27:19 +0000 http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/pop/2008/03/us-against-the-world-my-journey-into-mum-pop/#comment-400853 Also on still my wishlist: Carl's Celine Dion book. I imagine there would be many transatlantic parallels between Celine and Westlife. Perhaps I shall explore this in... PART TWO??? Also on still my wishlist: Carl’s Celine Dion book. I imagine there would be many transatlantic parallels between Celine and Westlife. Perhaps I shall explore this in… PART TWO???

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