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	<title>Comments on: Paul Morley, what is he good for?</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Klaus</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-369305</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Smiths and Kinks clips are on YouYube but the rest?

Viewers outside of the UK would love to see more of this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Smiths and Kinks clips are on YouYube but the rest?</p>
<p>Viewers outside of the UK would love to see more of this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367587</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do get a page in Words And Music where PM lists all the songs a living (or 1995-resuscitated) Elvis should have sung.  In the book he also gets smartly compared with Eminem.  The Jacko/Lisa Marie wedding he describes as "the strangest thing that has ever happened in the history of the world."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do get a page in Words And Music where PM lists all the songs a living (or 1995-resuscitated) Elvis should have sung.  In the book he also gets smartly compared with Eminem.  The Jacko/Lisa Marie wedding he describes as &#8220;the strangest thing that has ever happened in the history of the world.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367579</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this = presley-as-jukebox not the darts in surplices</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this = presley-as-jukebox not the darts in surplices</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367578</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does he expand on this in "words and music" btw -- i really DO have to read it at some point don't i?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does he expand on this in &#8220;words and music&#8221; btw &#8212; i really DO have to read it at some point don&#8217;t i?</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367573</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at a rockwrite base-belief level, i would propose that morley's argument here is that presley was a touchstone because he was (for a short but key time) a kind of living in-one-brain-and-body jukebox, through whom every extant stream of pop was processed and vivified and mongreled and hipslung and frankensteined, not just country and R&#38;B and blues but old-time stephen fosterish americana ("love me tender" = aura lee) and even the ghost of jazz (he was known as the "king of bop") 

prob bein that elvis imitators can't/won't ever do WHERE ELVIS MIGHT HAVE GONE if living yet (and yes, undogged by the colonel) -- so the imagined idea is undermined by its execution 

that darts moment -- teds in surplices -- was totally a wtf "free lunch" moment tho, in the programme and (it reminded you) at the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at a rockwrite base-belief level, i would propose that morley&#8217;s argument here is that presley was a touchstone because he was (for a short but key time) a kind of living in-one-brain-and-body jukebox, through whom every extant stream of pop was processed and vivified and mongreled and hipslung and frankensteined, not just country and R&amp;B and blues but old-time stephen fosterish americana (&#8221;love me tender&#8221; = aura lee) and even the ghost of jazz (he was known as the &#8220;king of bop&#8221;) </p>
<p>prob bein that elvis imitators can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t ever do WHERE ELVIS MIGHT HAVE GONE if living yet (and yes, undogged by the colonel) &#8212; so the imagined idea is undermined by its execution </p>
<p>that darts moment &#8212; teds in surplices &#8212; was totally a wtf &#8220;free lunch&#8221; moment tho, in the programme and (it reminded you) at the time</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367560</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, if Presley had lived the Colonel would probably have made him do "Agadoo" in the style of "Viva Las Vegas."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, if Presley had lived the Colonel would probably have made him do &#8220;Agadoo&#8221; in the style of &#8220;Viva Las Vegas.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367194</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he could do close to the edit darts stylee! 

(wasn't this a sub-radar way of saying "oi! carmody! wanna take it outside!?")</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he could do close to the edit darts stylee! </p>
<p>(wasn&#8217;t this a sub-radar way of saying &#8220;oi! carmody! wanna take it outside!?&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367180</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"oh, to be in Graceland, in the summer time..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;oh, to be in Graceland, in the summer time&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367164</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He could do the "hey"s.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-367148</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"What did everyone think about Morley’s theory on songs being great cuz you can imagine them being sung by Elvis? The only Elvis impersonator seemed to be the Las Vegas years, so…"

I thought this was quite poor unless the Elvis-impersonator renditions were intentionally bad so as to test the song's durability to the limits. Perhaps I misunderstood but none of the songs he picked sound better re-imagined as Elvis singles and the idea that 'yes you can imagine Elvis singing this song' isn't enough on it's own as it's easy enough to imagine Elvis singing countless hits - plus where does it leave all those classic instrumentals or indeed 'Close To The Edit'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What did everyone think about Morley’s theory on songs being great cuz you can imagine them being sung by Elvis? The only Elvis impersonator seemed to be the Las Vegas years, so…&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought this was quite poor unless the Elvis-impersonator renditions were intentionally bad so as to test the song&#8217;s durability to the limits. Perhaps I misunderstood but none of the songs he picked sound better re-imagined as Elvis singles and the idea that &#8216;yes you can imagine Elvis singing this song&#8217; isn&#8217;t enough on it&#8217;s own as it&#8217;s easy enough to imagine Elvis singing countless hits - plus where does it leave all those classic instrumentals or indeed &#8216;Close To The Edit&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-366372</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged out p^nk s lord sukråt wötsit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the fluid disconnected future pop always saw coming..." 

is that why the bbc i-player gave me 60 mins of sound and 40 mins of image limping 2/3s the speed along behind it!!? (and the image stopped the moment the sound did so i never saw adam faith or the sugababes AT ALL) 

but even so oh oh i *LOVED* this! so i am 1 x ho for p.morley again, i guess i shd read his book after all! 

"Shake your hair girl with your ponytail
Takes me right back (when you were young)
Throw your precious gifts into the air
Watch them fall down (when you were young)
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground
You used to walk upon (when you were young)
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground
The hills were higher (when we were young)
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground
The trees were taller (when you were young)
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground
The grass was greener (when you were young)
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground
You used to walk upon (when you were young)"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the fluid disconnected future pop always saw coming&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>is that why the bbc i-player gave me 60 mins of sound and 40 mins of image limping 2/3s the speed along behind it!!? (and the image stopped the moment the sound did so i never saw adam faith or the sugababes AT ALL) </p>
<p>but even so oh oh i *LOVED* this! so i am 1 x ho for p.morley again, i guess i shd read his book after all! </p>
<p>&#8220;Shake your hair girl with your ponytail<br />
Takes me right back (when you were young)<br />
Throw your precious gifts into the air<br />
Watch them fall down (when you were young)<br />
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground<br />
You used to walk upon (when you were young)<br />
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground<br />
The hills were higher (when we were young)<br />
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground<br />
The trees were taller (when you were young)<br />
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground<br />
The grass was greener (when you were young)<br />
Lift up your feet and put them on the ground<br />
You used to walk upon (when you were young)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: xyzzzz__</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-365617</link>
		<dc:creator>xyzzzz__</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Odd how the 'How pop works' thing worked out: setting out as musicological explanation to everything then by gradually factored in stuff that's around the music not the notes it inevitably lost shape - I kind of wanted this to stick to applying musical theory with some kind of acknowledgment of the limitations to that approach ('it may describe developments in classical music well BUT, etc.')

- I really liked the fifties ep, how many times did Pete Wylie say 'wow' at Joe Brown again? :-) Wish they got round to talking about how genuinely wacky some of that stuff ws, and maybe mentioned Jerry Lee Lewis, etc.

What did everyone think about Morley's theory on songs being great cuz  you can imagine them being sung by Elvis? The only Elvis impersonator seemed to be the Las Vegas years, so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Odd how the &#8216;How pop works&#8217; thing worked out: setting out as musicological explanation to everything then by gradually factored in stuff that&#8217;s around the music not the notes it inevitably lost shape - I kind of wanted this to stick to applying musical theory with some kind of acknowledgment of the limitations to that approach (&#8217;it may describe developments in classical music well BUT, etc.&#8217;)</p>
<p>- I really liked the fifties ep, how many times did Pete Wylie say &#8216;wow&#8217; at Joe Brown again? :-) Wish they got round to talking about how genuinely wacky some of that stuff ws, and maybe mentioned Jerry Lee Lewis, etc.</p>
<p>What did everyone think about Morley&#8217;s theory on songs being great cuz  you can imagine them being sung by Elvis? The only Elvis impersonator seemed to be the Las Vegas years, so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Izzy</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-365042</link>
		<dc:creator>Izzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I liked was the choice of Wyclef as a great contemporary singer.  I'd always assumed that Mary J Blige owned that track, but now I'm dying to dig it out for reappraisal.  (Likewise Romeo &#38; Juliet, I guess)

Oh, and Mutya's not selling because she is boring.  Being miserable/moany is only an interesting characteristic if it's combined with something else, like wit or (best of all) cracking tunes.  'Song 4 Mutya' isn't enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I liked was the choice of Wyclef as a great contemporary singer.  I&#8217;d always assumed that Mary J Blige owned that track, but now I&#8217;m dying to dig it out for reappraisal.  (Likewise Romeo &amp; Juliet, I guess)</p>
<p>Oh, and Mutya&#8217;s not selling because she is boring.  Being miserable/moany is only an interesting characteristic if it&#8217;s combined with something else, like wit or (best of all) cracking tunes.  &#8216;Song 4 Mutya&#8217; isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Baran</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-365034</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Baran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hooray for iPlayer (and a wet lunch-hour).

Yes, Pop On Trial 50's is worth watching for Joe Brown's insiderism alone (and is better than the Pop Britannia at covering the same ground). I quite liked the disjointed nature of the show, as it put paid to the great big lie of the great pop narrative (and indeed CP Lee's demand for novelty records at the end was a worthwhile reminder that much of this HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME). Did remind me that all you need for good TV is a few passionate people, a few knowledgable people and a good researcher. Maconie's presentation avoided the worst of his know-it-all tendancies and was quite natural. Perhaps a bit more argument between the panelists  could have livened things up but on the whole a nicely current and poptimist reading of this dark decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hooray for iPlayer (and a wet lunch-hour).</p>
<p>Yes, Pop On Trial 50&#8217;s is worth watching for Joe Brown&#8217;s insiderism alone (and is better than the Pop Britannia at covering the same ground). I quite liked the disjointed nature of the show, as it put paid to the great big lie of the great pop narrative (and indeed CP Lee&#8217;s demand for novelty records at the end was a worthwhile reminder that much of this HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME). Did remind me that all you need for good TV is a few passionate people, a few knowledgable people and a good researcher. Maconie&#8217;s presentation avoided the worst of his know-it-all tendancies and was quite natural. Perhaps a bit more argument between the panelists  could have livened things up but on the whole a nicely current and poptimist reading of this dark decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-365030</link>
		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must say Pete Wylie was a revelation – very entertaining to listen to, passionate about his music.  Hope he gets more gigs like this in fact.  I saw CP Lee and the Albertos a couple of times back in the 70s, and their doo-wop version of “Anarchy in the UK” was a highlight.  I thought the “Pop Britannia” fifties episode was a bit disjointed – anyone unfamiliar with the story would wonder why Lennon and McCartney’s 1957 meeting was featured so early in the programme then dropped while the narrative went back to the early part of the decade – but again worth a look for the footage alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must say Pete Wylie was a revelation – very entertaining to listen to, passionate about his music.  Hope he gets more gigs like this in fact.  I saw CP Lee and the Albertos a couple of times back in the 70s, and their doo-wop version of “Anarchy in the UK” was a highlight.  I thought the “Pop Britannia” fifties episode was a bit disjointed – anyone unfamiliar with the story would wonder why Lennon and McCartney’s 1957 meeting was featured so early in the programme then dropped while the narrative went back to the early part of the decade – but again worth a look for the footage alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-365011</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd tend to agree with both CP Lee and Wylie there; I'll have to try and watch this on iPlayer too (nice to see Wylie still around btw; when are we getting some new songs Pete?).

Did anyone see the &lt;i&gt;Pop Britannia&lt;/i&gt; fifties episode, and if so is that worth catching too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d tend to agree with both CP Lee and Wylie there; I&#8217;ll have to try and watch this on iPlayer too (nice to see Wylie still around btw; when are we getting some new songs Pete?).</p>
<p>Did anyone see the <i>Pop Britannia</i> fifties episode, and if so is that worth catching too?</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-365002</link>
		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to the Pop season on BBC4, I wasn't expecting too much from "Pop on Trial" given a snidey preview in the Guardian, but after an iffy start it really warmed up nicely.  CP Lee, ex of Alberto Y Los Trios Paranoias ("I honestly think Lonnie Donegan was a more influential figure in 20th-century music than Elvis"), Pete Wylie ("in my opinion Elvis was under-rated") and Joe Brown ("we were lucky to perform as Joe Brown and the Bruvvers - Larry Parnes wanted to call us Elmer Twitch and the Fidgets").  Not the first names you'd think of for a panel, but very entertaining and knowledgeable.  Some good Fats/Chuck/Eddie clips too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the Pop season on BBC4, I wasn&#8217;t expecting too much from &#8220;Pop on Trial&#8221; given a snidey preview in the Guardian, but after an iffy start it really warmed up nicely.  CP Lee, ex of Alberto Y Los Trios Paranoias (&#8221;I honestly think Lonnie Donegan was a more influential figure in 20th-century music than Elvis&#8221;), Pete Wylie (&#8221;in my opinion Elvis was under-rated&#8221;) and Joe Brown (&#8221;we were lucky to perform as Joe Brown and the Bruvvers - Larry Parnes wanted to call us Elmer Twitch and the Fidgets&#8221;).  Not the first names you&#8217;d think of for a panel, but very entertaining and knowledgeable.  Some good Fats/Chuck/Eddie clips too.</p>
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		<title>By: a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</title>
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		<dc:creator>a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well the figures in my head for this idea are a. the beatles and b. harold ross at the new yorker, both of whom dug a wholly new pond, and yes arguably dominated it but recognised the value to them of the rest of the pond (ross especially, in that he was never a writer with a byline) 

trying to control it as it grows is a horribly bad idea; but also -- almost invariably -- a backfiring idea: it just won't grow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well the figures in my head for this idea are a. the beatles and b. harold ross at the new yorker, both of whom dug a wholly new pond, and yes arguably dominated it but recognised the value to them of the rest of the pond (ross especially, in that he was never a writer with a byline) </p>
<p>trying to control it as it grows is a horribly bad idea; but also &#8212; almost invariably &#8212; a backfiring idea: it just won&#8217;t grow</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except, historically, they end up wanting to be the only fish in the pond.</description>
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		<title>By: a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-364467</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha in the course of a meeting this morning i embarked on a bad over-extended metpahor which i have since decided is ptotentiall an excellent metaphor: viz that [such-and-such an artzone -- my pals will know which nonwe but it isn't germane to the point] is a pond so small and secluded that no one with gumption or drive is even willing to be the big fish in it for a season; when actuall they should be thinking 
i. be big fish in small pond 
ii. change ways of pond so that it grows into a big pond (and you with it) 

anyway, the effect of success -- pop success OR critical success -- is an embiggening of the pond, bcz you bring ppl into it with all their hopes and projects and projections, and some of these become attached to the original small-pond thing

ie the good thing isn't YOU WIN, so much as YOU ENABLE LOTS OF (possibly otherwise unpossible) STUFF UNDER YOUR UMBRELLA (ella ella ella)

(yes you are a big fish in a small pond floating on an upturned umbrella as projections turn into an ocean) (best metaphor EVAH) (evah evah evah)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha in the course of a meeting this morning i embarked on a bad over-extended metpahor which i have since decided is ptotentiall an excellent metaphor: viz that [such-and-such an artzone -- my pals will know which nonwe but it isn't germane to the point] is a pond so small and secluded that no one with gumption or drive is even willing to be the big fish in it for a season; when actuall they should be thinking<br />
i. be big fish in small pond<br />
ii. change ways of pond so that it grows into a big pond (and you with it) </p>
<p>anyway, the effect of success &#8212; pop success OR critical success &#8212; is an embiggening of the pond, bcz you bring ppl into it with all their hopes and projects and projections, and some of these become attached to the original small-pond thing</p>
<p>ie the good thing isn&#8217;t YOU WIN, so much as YOU ENABLE LOTS OF (possibly otherwise unpossible) STUFF UNDER YOUR UMBRELLA (ella ella ella)</p>
<p>(yes you are a big fish in a small pond floating on an upturned umbrella as projections turn into an ocean) (best metaphor EVAH) (evah evah evah)</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of that Simon Dee documentary a few years ago, where Jimmy Tarbuck was quizzed on why he thought SD vanished from our TV screens so abruptly at the end of the sixties.  His considered response: "Well he was crap wasn't he?"

The trouble with Mutya is that, as bad as her album is, it's not selling for exactly the same reason that Sally Shapiro isn't selling and the same reason that Adele and Duffy will shift millions - well, thousands - of their albums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of that Simon Dee documentary a few years ago, where Jimmy Tarbuck was quizzed on why he thought SD vanished from our TV screens so abruptly at the end of the sixties.  His considered response: &#8220;Well he was crap wasn&#8217;t he?&#8221;</p>
<p>The trouble with Mutya is that, as bad as her album is, it&#8217;s not selling for exactly the same reason that Sally Shapiro isn&#8217;t selling and the same reason that Adele and Duffy will shift millions - well, thousands - of their albums.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Baran</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-364452</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Baran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUT THIS IS CENTRAL TO THE ISSUE OF POP. They were quite happy to define what made good, but loathe to get near the issue of something that didn't do it being necessarily bad. In the end bad pop sometimes just is because it doesn't sell, or exists in an oversaturated market etc etc.

And of course getting a melodicist / lyricist / pop svengali to do a closed room Juke Box Jury job on a selection of pre-release singles would show what a crap shoot the whole thing is. But would sure as hell be interesting.

For example why didn't the Noise Next Door sell any records? Kula Shaker die on the arse with their second album. Why is Mutya not selling records?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUT THIS IS CENTRAL TO THE ISSUE OF POP. They were quite happy to define what made good, but loathe to get near the issue of something that didn&#8217;t do it being necessarily bad. In the end bad pop sometimes just is because it doesn&#8217;t sell, or exists in an oversaturated market etc etc.</p>
<p>And of course getting a melodicist / lyricist / pop svengali to do a closed room Juke Box Jury job on a selection of pre-release singles would show what a crap shoot the whole thing is. But would sure as hell be interesting.</p>
<p>For example why didn&#8217;t the Noise Next Door sell any records? Kula Shaker die on the arse with their second album. Why is Mutya not selling records?</p>
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		<title>By: a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2008/01/paul-morley-what-is-he-good-for/#comment-364447</link>
		<dc:creator>a logged-out pˆnk s lord whatnot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes no "bad music" unless it's actually justified in craftly fashion: viz a melodist saying "this melody doesn't work bcz" -- or a rhythmatist ditto 

or a committed fan of Genre X saying what's bad WITHIN this genre (not thins bad for being nearly in but not; or "jazz for ppl who don't like jazz" etc) 

"bad" all too generally seems to mean "iconic example of genre you don't get the point of, or use to mock social grouping you don't get the point of") 

(when eth4n and m!nna were my sekrit guests i tried to get them to outlay to me what BAD rap is, with examples, they were really leery of this question, despite the former's fairly decided opnions in ref music: they did oblige eventually  but very reluctantly, and with huge caveats -- viz "actually this isn't that bad" etc)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes no &#8220;bad music&#8221; unless it&#8217;s actually justified in craftly fashion: viz a melodist saying &#8220;this melody doesn&#8217;t work bcz&#8221; &#8212; or a rhythmatist ditto </p>
<p>or a committed fan of Genre X saying what&#8217;s bad WITHIN this genre (not thins bad for being nearly in but not; or &#8220;jazz for ppl who don&#8217;t like jazz&#8221; etc) </p>
<p>&#8220;bad&#8221; all too generally seems to mean &#8220;iconic example of genre you don&#8217;t get the point of, or use to mock social grouping you don&#8217;t get the point of&#8221;) </p>
<p>(when eth4n and m!nna were my sekrit guests i tried to get them to outlay to me what BAD rap is, with examples, they were really leery of this question, despite the former&#8217;s fairly decided opnions in ref music: they did oblige eventually  but very reluctantly, and with huge caveats &#8212; viz &#8220;actually this isn&#8217;t that bad&#8221; etc)</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One shudders at BBC4's notion of "bad music": cue 40 minutes of Petridish/Sawyer etc. sniggering at Kid A, Metal Machine Music et usual cetera.

Macca's impassable I Dunno Like shield of determined amicability will of course automatically cancel out Mark's pipedream, more's the pity.</description>
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<p>Macca&#8217;s impassable I Dunno Like shield of determined amicability will of course automatically cancel out Mark&#8217;s pipedream, more&#8217;s the pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Baran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Baran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, one of the problems with both of these shows is they never really get into "bad music"...</description>
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