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	<title>Comments on: Rockists Night In: Set The Fire To The Third Knob</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
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		<title>By: DV</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333301</link>
		<dc:creator>DV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was finding this article very confusing, but then I realised you were not talking about BBC Radio 3 but about a television channel.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333202</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But re the profanity thing, I can't imagine Oliver or Blumenthal doing that. How do they keep their staff on their toes? 

Maybe it's a bit like football managers. You know Fergie can b0llock his players into line and drive them to succeed in addition. Wenger presumably has quite a different approach and yet almost the same level of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But re the profanity thing, I can&#8217;t imagine Oliver or Blumenthal doing that. How do they keep their staff on their toes? </p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s a bit like football managers. You know Fergie can b0llock his players into line and drive them to succeed in addition. Wenger presumably has quite a different approach and yet almost the same level of success.</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333192</link>
		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes he "drives me mental" in the sense rhat i never miss the show or the repeats! and i am eagerly watching hells kitchen usa also -- i had no interest much in the celebrity version 

i reread anthony bourdain's kitchen confiential abt a week ago and it has a whole section on extreme in-kitchen profanity as a bonding-thing (that if you can't take it, it's a sign* you can't actually take the stress and pressure of life-as-a-cook in general, and shd just quit)  

this slightly made me re-view how ramsay behaves -- ie i am preapred to accept that this is a picture of "real kitchen behaviour", but i still think he really obviously amps up the cusswords bcz it's "what the punters want", and you notice that almost no one gets their licks in back 

*plainly the maths doesn't add up here: you are unable to hack the stress of cooklife PLUS  
aggressive macho badinage therefore you are unable to hack the stress of cooklife alone er no, it was the badinage that i couldn't take, cooklife i enjoyed 

but hazing=teamwork-under-pressure is a fair argument to make absent any sign of alternative versions arising, i guess 

"you're just too nice" is quite a common crit of the owners and/or head chefs -- ie don't want to hurt feelings so fail to provide direction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes he &#8220;drives me mental&#8221; in the sense rhat i never miss the show or the repeats! and i am eagerly watching hells kitchen usa also &#8212; i had no interest much in the celebrity version </p>
<p>i reread anthony bourdain&#8217;s kitchen confiential abt a week ago and it has a whole section on extreme in-kitchen profanity as a bonding-thing (that if you can&#8217;t take it, it&#8217;s a sign* you can&#8217;t actually take the stress and pressure of life-as-a-cook in general, and shd just quit)  </p>
<p>this slightly made me re-view how ramsay behaves &#8212; ie i am preapred to accept that this is a picture of &#8220;real kitchen behaviour&#8221;, but i still think he really obviously amps up the cusswords bcz it&#8217;s &#8220;what the punters want&#8221;, and you notice that almost no one gets their licks in back </p>
<p>*plainly the maths doesn&#8217;t add up here: you are unable to hack the stress of cooklife PLUS<br />
aggressive macho badinage therefore you are unable to hack the stress of cooklife alone er no, it was the badinage that i couldn&#8217;t take, cooklife i enjoyed </p>
<p>but hazing=teamwork-under-pressure is a fair argument to make absent any sign of alternative versions arising, i guess </p>
<p>&#8220;you&#8217;re just too nice&#8221; is quite a common crit of the owners and/or head chefs &#8212; ie don&#8217;t want to hurt feelings so fail to provide direction</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333190</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"ramsey drives me mental bcz he is such a wonky mix of bad show-offy material — [insert tired swears here] — and craftsmanlike knowing what he’s talking about"

this is why he is good! i enjoy the other evening cooks shows too for the expertise minus obnoxiousness tho, with the exception of Lawson whose is just too much of a gushing ham. i think Rick Stein is getting camper also...

"there is high-level implicit material here that i don’t think you could have found to explore and discuss even ten years ago"

certainly seems that way and i guess Ramsay can take credit for this, via Joliver at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ramsey drives me mental bcz he is such a wonky mix of bad show-offy material — [insert tired swears here] — and craftsmanlike knowing what he’s talking about&#8221;</p>
<p>this is why he is good! i enjoy the other evening cooks shows too for the expertise minus obnoxiousness tho, with the exception of Lawson whose is just too much of a gushing ham. i think Rick Stein is getting camper also&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;there is high-level implicit material here that i don’t think you could have found to explore and discuss even ten years ago&#8221;</p>
<p>certainly seems that way and i guess Ramsay can take credit for this, via Joliver at least.</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333170</link>
		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what we need is chef-celebrity nightmare kitchenswap! 

where eg heston turns up at a restaurant delia has been "saving" and applies HIS rules and mind! 

chef think is very much trapped in the present -- one of the things ramsey often rails against is "datedness" -- viz when a potentially good kitchen is fighting for its place via the fads of 15 years back; his advice is a mixture of potentially conservative common sense ("use local produce" -- yes it is cheaper but the macro-effect will be for eating out never to be a taste of otherwhere) and hard-to-parse current-faddism (today's "trends" are invisble to him as trends) (or at least he doesn't give the game away) 

one of the things i actually rather like abt this series is that professional craftsmanship is treated as a THING NOT TO BE FVCKED WITH -- this is an attitude very much counter to who-moved-my-cheese management-speak, where mid or low level expertise is considered a useless impediment, an OBSTACLE TO BE SWEPT AWAY 

(obviously my "passion" (©g.ramsey) here is related to the way management has dealt with magazine i work at lo these past five years)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what we need is chef-celebrity nightmare kitchenswap! </p>
<p>where eg heston turns up at a restaurant delia has been &#8220;saving&#8221; and applies HIS rules and mind! </p>
<p>chef think is very much trapped in the present &#8212; one of the things ramsey often rails against is &#8220;datedness&#8221; &#8212; viz when a potentially good kitchen is fighting for its place via the fads of 15 years back; his advice is a mixture of potentially conservative common sense (&#8221;use local produce&#8221; &#8212; yes it is cheaper but the macro-effect will be for eating out never to be a taste of otherwhere) and hard-to-parse current-faddism (today&#8217;s &#8220;trends&#8221; are invisble to him as trends) (or at least he doesn&#8217;t give the game away) </p>
<p>one of the things i actually rather like abt this series is that professional craftsmanship is treated as a THING NOT TO BE FVCKED WITH &#8212; this is an attitude very much counter to who-moved-my-cheese management-speak, where mid or low level expertise is considered a useless impediment, an OBSTACLE TO BE SWEPT AWAY </p>
<p>(obviously my &#8220;passion&#8221; (©g.ramsey) here is related to the way management has dealt with magazine i work at lo these past five years)</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333161</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There certainly isn't a parallel with the arts, i.e. whereas old books, films &#38;c. can be revealed as criminally neglected masterpieces decades or (in the older, slower days) centuries hence, no one tends to return to a recipe or a meal originally prepared in, say, 1971 and say that this is a hitherto buried classic.  The only option is the easy one which ties in with the above ambiguous self-denial/self-confirmation of past passions, viz. Jamie and his Retrosalad Yeah.

It's interesting that the Charlie Brookers of their world instantly sneered at the Heston Blumenthal series on BBC2 which is astonishing stuff in the same way as they would retrocheerlead YAY SUPERTRAMP but cough ahem ahem pretentious at, say, Anthony Braxton (and HB's colour schematics look EXTREMELY SIMILAR to AB's music flow recipes as diagrams).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There certainly isn&#8217;t a parallel with the arts, i.e. whereas old books, films &amp;c. can be revealed as criminally neglected masterpieces decades or (in the older, slower days) centuries hence, no one tends to return to a recipe or a meal originally prepared in, say, 1971 and say that this is a hitherto buried classic.  The only option is the easy one which ties in with the above ambiguous self-denial/self-confirmation of past passions, viz. Jamie and his Retrosalad Yeah.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the Charlie Brookers of their world instantly sneered at the Heston Blumenthal series on BBC2 which is astonishing stuff in the same way as they would retrocheerlead YAY SUPERTRAMP but cough ahem ahem pretentious at, say, Anthony Braxton (and HB&#8217;s colour schematics look EXTREMELY SIMILAR to AB&#8217;s music flow recipes as diagrams).</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333156</link>
		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>genre strands that would have been straight-forwardly "adult intelligent" 30 years ago -- news, current affairs and drama -- have definitely been highly damaged by the current shape of television (they are wrecked basically by the fear of folk switching channels); what's interesting to me is the degree to which non-standard genre-strands have picked up (or failed to pick up) the slack -- watching ramsey's kitchen nightmares on mon i wz struck by the subtle argument abt shtick and grandstanding going on, where the very gay owner of a failing brighton restaurant was INSISTING on his right to individuality and calling gordon out for "merely playing at being gordon" 

of course the owner lost -- all his decor was binned, his beloved meaningless restaurant name etc -- but there was a strange underlying battle about conformism vs individualism vs what a service-provider thinks he is meant to be doing

i know these progs are controllongly and probably misleadingly edited but even so there is high-level implicit material here that i don't think you could have found to explore and discuss even ten years ago 

ramsey drives me mental bcz he is such a wonky mix of bad show-offy material -- [insert tired swears here] -- and craftsmanlike knowing what he's talking about 

is a restaurant's financial success objective proof the food and service are good? or of our fear of difference? or what is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>genre strands that would have been straight-forwardly &#8220;adult intelligent&#8221; 30 years ago &#8212; news, current affairs and drama &#8212; have definitely been highly damaged by the current shape of television (they are wrecked basically by the fear of folk switching channels); what&#8217;s interesting to me is the degree to which non-standard genre-strands have picked up (or failed to pick up) the slack &#8212; watching ramsey&#8217;s kitchen nightmares on mon i wz struck by the subtle argument abt shtick and grandstanding going on, where the very gay owner of a failing brighton restaurant was INSISTING on his right to individuality and calling gordon out for &#8220;merely playing at being gordon&#8221; </p>
<p>of course the owner lost &#8212; all his decor was binned, his beloved meaningless restaurant name etc &#8212; but there was a strange underlying battle about conformism vs individualism vs what a service-provider thinks he is meant to be doing</p>
<p>i know these progs are controllongly and probably misleadingly edited but even so there is high-level implicit material here that i don&#8217;t think you could have found to explore and discuss even ten years ago </p>
<p>ramsey drives me mental bcz he is such a wonky mix of bad show-offy material &#8212; [insert tired swears here] &#8212; and craftsmanlike knowing what he&#8217;s talking about </p>
<p>is a restaurant&#8217;s financial success objective proof the food and service are good? or of our fear of difference? or what is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333152</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trouble where TV is concerned is that most people seem to have moved directly from mewling and puking to second childishness and hence even merer oblivion (see e.g. last two nights of &lt;i&gt;Britz&lt;/i&gt;, viz. 35 years ago that would have been dealt with in 30 minutes in schools programming but now we expect five hours of bullet points pretending to be dialogue, i.e. "HOW MUCH LONGER MUST WE EXPECT OUR BONNIE MUSLIM YOUTHS TO BE UNJUSTLY BEATEN BY WELL-KNOWN EXTREME RIGHT STIRRERS THE 4NP?" "OH STOP BEING A POSSIBLY OVER-EMOTIONAL, POTENTIALLY HIGHLY IMPRESSIONABLE AND ERGO RIPE FOR PERSUASION BY DARK HIDEOUS FORCES TEENAGER!").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble where TV is concerned is that most people seem to have moved directly from mewling and puking to second childishness and hence even merer oblivion (see e.g. last two nights of <i>Britz</i>, viz. 35 years ago that would have been dealt with in 30 minutes in schools programming but now we expect five hours of bullet points pretending to be dialogue, i.e. &#8220;HOW MUCH LONGER MUST WE EXPECT OUR BONNIE MUSLIM YOUTHS TO BE UNJUSTLY BEATEN BY WELL-KNOWN EXTREME RIGHT STIRRERS THE 4NP?&#8221; &#8220;OH STOP BEING A POSSIBLY OVER-EMOTIONAL, POTENTIALLY HIGHLY IMPRESSIONABLE AND ERGO RIPE FOR PERSUASION BY DARK HIDEOUS FORCES TEENAGER!&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333144</link>
		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"100 best/worst moments" is what television has evolved as a popular history of itself -- the fact that we're as a bundle of semi-generations inclined to feel squirmy at our own past is a fascinating datum, sort of the opposite of kneejerkish "oh the good old days"?: "the past was just rubbish wasn't it?"

obviously there's a kpunkish hell-in-a-handbasket interpretation -- i think i prefer my "seven ages of pop man" model, where the drive to move to the next stage of cultural grasp manifests as an unease with the idea of yrself in the previous stage; and the move to recognise the flaws AND the values of "7 ages" as an "ideological structure" necessaily entails becoming less defensive by yrself-and-yr-tastes-when 13</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;100 best/worst moments&#8221; is what television has evolved as a popular history of itself &#8212; the fact that we&#8217;re as a bundle of semi-generations inclined to feel squirmy at our own past is a fascinating datum, sort of the opposite of kneejerkish &#8220;oh the good old days&#8221;?: &#8220;the past was just rubbish wasn&#8217;t it?&#8221;</p>
<p>obviously there&#8217;s a kpunkish hell-in-a-handbasket interpretation &#8212; i think i prefer my &#8220;seven ages of pop man&#8221; model, where the drive to move to the next stage of cultural grasp manifests as an unease with the idea of yrself in the previous stage; and the move to recognise the flaws AND the values of &#8220;7 ages&#8221; as an &#8220;ideological structure&#8221; necessaily entails becoming less defensive by yrself-and-yr-tastes-when 13</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333004</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all about the multiplexes innit. BBC3 and BBC4 occupy CBBC and CBeebies bandwidth (even if they don't share a channel number) so you couldn't make 'em 24 hours without getting rid of the very successful public service kids channels. 

The big problem is in mission. BBC3 and BBC4 both have a clear mission. BBC1 (light ent FOR ALL) but BBC2's remit seems muddied. BBC3's yoof agenda is actively damaged by BBC1's forays into those areas and a geographical bent which sweepingly equates 14-34 = thick northerners. 

BBC3 needs sport, music, film shows - it needs its own version of The Word really.Original programming has tended to equal shock docs and too much half-baked comedy. But there are gems in there (Its Adam &#38; Shelley was great, Drop Dead Gorgeous surprisingly moving). But what's a nascent poorly funded channel to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all about the multiplexes innit. BBC3 and BBC4 occupy CBBC and CBeebies bandwidth (even if they don&#8217;t share a channel number) so you couldn&#8217;t make &#8216;em 24 hours without getting rid of the very successful public service kids channels. </p>
<p>The big problem is in mission. BBC3 and BBC4 both have a clear mission. BBC1 (light ent FOR ALL) but BBC2&#8217;s remit seems muddied. BBC3&#8217;s yoof agenda is actively damaged by BBC1&#8217;s forays into those areas and a geographical bent which sweepingly equates 14-34 = thick northerners. </p>
<p>BBC3 needs sport, music, film shows - it needs its own version of The Word really.Original programming has tended to equal shock docs and too much half-baked comedy. But there are gems in there (Its Adam &amp; Shelley was great, Drop Dead Gorgeous surprisingly moving). But what&#8217;s a nascent poorly funded channel to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mannion</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-333003</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You get exactly the same thing about BBC4 from Metro/Lite readers, and so on."

Really? I don't have the same reaction to BBC Four even though they have a lot of programmes I don't want to watch too. I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing but I think I'd actually prefer it if the two channels merged to become a 24 hour channel. I realise this may make no sense at all to the demographers (in their suits and ties) but I don't think this  segregation of audiences is at all satisfying.

My gripe is not what BBC Three do but just how they do it. Being a whipping boy is a consequence of insisting on trying to carve out their brand in the way they have I think, and their own judgements about what's appropriate for which audiences at which times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You get exactly the same thing about BBC4 from Metro/Lite readers, and so on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? I don&#8217;t have the same reaction to BBC Four even though they have a lot of programmes I don&#8217;t want to watch too. I&#8217;m not sure if this is a good or bad thing but I think I&#8217;d actually prefer it if the two channels merged to become a 24 hour channel. I realise this may make no sense at all to the demographers (in their suits and ties) but I don&#8217;t think this  segregation of audiences is at all satisfying.</p>
<p>My gripe is not what BBC Three do but just how they do it. Being a whipping boy is a consequence of insisting on trying to carve out their brand in the way they have I think, and their own judgements about what&#8217;s appropriate for which audiences at which times.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my trouble is i don't know what "high quality" or "innovative" would mean for that audience, but my feeling is that it does compare well to 5 on those scores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my trouble is i don&#8217;t know what &#8220;high quality&#8221; or &#8220;innovative&#8221; would mean for that audience, but my feeling is that it does compare well to 5 on those scores.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it's the old (pre-Banister) Radio 1 argument isn't it - if the offering is roughly identical to the commercial alternative why should it be classed as public service? I'm quite happy to believe that BBC3 IS different to commercial TV mind you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s the old (pre-Banister) Radio 1 argument isn&#8217;t it - if the offering is roughly identical to the commercial alternative why should it be classed as public service? I&#8217;m quite happy to believe that BBC3 IS different to commercial TV mind you.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-332998</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that i agree with her though. i have very little interest in BBC3 yet i am a bit tired of it being used as a bbc whipping boy/girl, and the more vocal/spluttering are usually telegraph reader sorts. You get exactly the same thing about BBC4 from Metro/Lite readers, and so on.

It's the inability of one audience to comprehend the existence of another compounded with "BUT IT'S PUBLIC SERVICE WHICH MEANS ME", and it is annoying.

I can also see that with what's been going on at the beeb, with a LOT of people calling for this or that, but mostly beeb3, to be scrapped, that this sort of 'hitting out' is just what's needed to put a stop to the chatter. and it doesn't seem overstated, even if the reports of that particular panel portray it as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that i agree with her though. i have very little interest in BBC3 yet i am a bit tired of it being used as a bbc whipping boy/girl, and the more vocal/spluttering are usually telegraph reader sorts. You get exactly the same thing about BBC4 from Metro/Lite readers, and so on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the inability of one audience to comprehend the existence of another compounded with &#8220;BUT IT&#8217;S PUBLIC SERVICE WHICH MEANS ME&#8221;, and it is annoying.</p>
<p>I can also see that with what&#8217;s been going on at the beeb, with a LOT of people calling for this or that, but mostly beeb3, to be scrapped, that this sort of &#8216;hitting out&#8217; is just what&#8217;s needed to put a stop to the chatter. and it doesn&#8217;t seem overstated, even if the reports of that particular panel portray it as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/11/rockists-night-in-set-the-fire-to-the-third-knob/#comment-332996</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My luddite impression of BBC3 is that it was all hott new raw sketch shows about edgy hipster sex. I did not know it was basically just channel 5 on an even smaller budger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My luddite impression of BBC3 is that it was all hott new raw sketch shows about edgy hipster sex. I did not know it was basically just channel 5 on an even smaller budger.</p>
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