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	<title>Comments on: Long Live The UK Music Scene!</title>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/long-live-the-uk-music-scene/#comment-330485</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/long-live-the-uk-music-scene/#comment-330481</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too early for the only recently killed TOTP brand to arise. I still think in the UK it is a formidable touchstone of POP, the question is no-one was defending it in its death, so no-one is going to jump up and say they were wrong this soon. 

Watch the resurgance of something called TOTP in three years time though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too early for the only recently killed TOTP brand to arise. I still think in the UK it is a formidable touchstone of POP, the question is no-one was defending it in its death, so no-one is going to jump up and say they were wrong this soon. </p>
<p>Watch the resurgance of something called TOTP in three years time though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the much-vaunted TOTP brand hasn&#039;t exactly thrived since the unprofitable hub died off.

I tried to be careful in the piece - though I didn&#039;t do a final check on it - not to refer to the NME as a magazine, or as anything really other than a brand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the much-vaunted TOTP brand hasn&#8217;t exactly thrived since the unprofitable hub died off.</p>
<p>I tried to be careful in the piece &#8211; though I didn&#8217;t do a final check on it &#8211; not to refer to the NME as a magazine, or as anything really other than a brand.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt DC</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/long-live-the-uk-music-scene/#comment-330477</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think IPC can afford to do that - multi-format media brands (which is what the NME is now) tend to need a magazine to coalesce round, hub/spokes etc. Even if the magazine in question is a loss-leader* and serves as a glorified advert for the website/gigs/clubs. 

*I&#039;m not sure this is true, surely the rigid demographic focus now in place means there&#039;s a pretty well-defined readership which is attractive to advertisers?

All of this means the overall editorial quality will carry on bubbling just over the bare minimum required to keep people reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think IPC can afford to do that &#8211; multi-format media brands (which is what the NME is now) tend to need a magazine to coalesce round, hub/spokes etc. Even if the magazine in question is a loss-leader* and serves as a glorified advert for the website/gigs/clubs. </p>
<p>*I&#8217;m not sure this is true, surely the rigid demographic focus now in place means there&#8217;s a pretty well-defined readership which is attractive to advertisers?</p>
<p>All of this means the overall editorial quality will carry on bubbling just over the bare minimum required to keep people reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Raw Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raw Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Popbitch claims this week that the NME will be going web only soon.  The mag is like a pamphlet these days, not even enough reading for a bus journey.</description>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<dc:creator>.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main reason MM went under is that it was really aweful at what it did towards the end, going for the &quot;Indie Smash Hits&quot; style NME pedals now, but in a really cheap and nasty way. It&#039;s a tedious format whether it&#039;s done well or not anyway imo, but your average young indiehead seems to like the current version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reason MM went under is that it was really aweful at what it did towards the end, going for the &#8220;Indie Smash Hits&#8221; style NME pedals now, but in a really cheap and nasty way. It&#8217;s a tedious format whether it&#8217;s done well or not anyway imo, but your average young indiehead seems to like the current version.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/long-live-the-uk-music-scene/#comment-330052</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A different but parallel ear, perhaps; each probably needed the other to react against.

Putting my day job hat on I note with glee that the gauge used to assess the difference in height of the patella pre- and post-knee surgery is known as the Blackburn-Peel ratio...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A different but parallel ear, perhaps; each probably needed the other to react against.</p>
<p>Putting my day job hat on I note with glee that the gauge used to assess the difference in height of the patella pre- and post-knee surgery is known as the Blackburn-Peel ratio&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one of the more complex revisionist pretzels established in the &quot;critical consensus&quot; between late 70s and early 90s re radio one -- first championed by jule burchill i&#039;m fairly sure -- was that tony blackburn had (since radio caroline) consistently played better music than john peel: viz motown and soul (ie music loved by the working classes) rather than proto-indie (viz hippy-prog-punk-postpunk etc, which was all poshboy music acc.her) 

burchill always had a slightly demented loathing for peel, monstering him well beyond plausibility, and even she wasn&#039;t arguing that blackburn&#039;s in-between-song style wasn&#039;t incredibly glutinous and annoying: she just said TB had a better ear than JP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of the more complex revisionist pretzels established in the &#8220;critical consensus&#8221; between late 70s and early 90s re radio one &#8212; first championed by jule burchill i&#8217;m fairly sure &#8212; was that tony blackburn had (since radio caroline) consistently played better music than john peel: viz motown and soul (ie music loved by the working classes) rather than proto-indie (viz hippy-prog-punk-postpunk etc, which was all poshboy music acc.her) </p>
<p>burchill always had a slightly demented loathing for peel, monstering him well beyond plausibility, and even she wasn&#8217;t arguing that blackburn&#8217;s in-between-song style wasn&#8217;t incredibly glutinous and annoying: she just said TB had a better ear than JP</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah the really telling contributor in the Garfield book is Nicky Campbell, who was (along with Goodier and Mayo I guess) 100% early 90s Radio 1 and simply could not see why the new management wanted him out.

It is forgotten I think that DLT was an exception not a rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the really telling contributor in the Garfield book is Nicky Campbell, who was (along with Goodier and Mayo I guess) 100% early 90s Radio 1 and simply could not see why the new management wanted him out.</p>
<p>It is forgotten I think that DLT was an exception not a rule.</p>
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		<title>By: katstevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>katstevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; focusing and promoting the NME brand

I think the live tours have had a lot to do with this - moving the focus away from London, especially.</description>
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<p>I think the live tours have had a lot to do with this &#8211; moving the focus away from London, especially.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2007/10/long-live-the-uk-music-scene/#comment-330033</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Andrew xpost)

Less like Smashy and Nicey than you&#039;d imagine.  Mostly mainstream Top 40/playlist fare (increasingly biased in the AoR direction, hence &quot;I&#039;d Rather Jack&quot;) with added &quot;quirks&quot; (Our Tune, snooker on the radio etc.) largely designed to retain its original (1967) audience, particularly the housewife contingent.  The style of presentation gravitated towards mundane pseudo-mid-Atlantic delivery rather than the &quot;charidee&quot; or &quot;Clifftastic&quot; stuff which no one on the station was actually doing by the turn of the nineties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Andrew xpost)</p>
<p>Less like Smashy and Nicey than you&#8217;d imagine.  Mostly mainstream Top 40/playlist fare (increasingly biased in the AoR direction, hence &#8220;I&#8217;d Rather Jack&#8221;) with added &#8220;quirks&#8221; (Our Tune, snooker on the radio etc.) largely designed to retain its original (1967) audience, particularly the housewife contingent.  The style of presentation gravitated towards mundane pseudo-mid-Atlantic delivery rather than the &#8220;charidee&#8221; or &#8220;Clifftastic&#8221; stuff which no one on the station was actually doing by the turn of the nineties.</p>
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		<title>By: katstevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>katstevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; But Radio 1 doesn’t just play rock and indie!

They do play their fair share of dance/electronica in the evenings. However they have kind of ghetto-ed off hip-hop, grime &amp; dub-step to 1Xtra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; But Radio 1 doesn’t just play rock and indie!</p>
<p>They do play their fair share of dance/electronica in the evenings. However they have kind of ghetto-ed off hip-hop, grime &amp; dub-step to 1Xtra.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question: what did Radio 1 sound like before?</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well MM went under mostly cos it was selling half what NME was in a shrinking market and IPC presumably realised one title was all they needed!

I argued on ILM at one point that MM went under because Britpop turned out to be the wrong horse to back - it drove off the audience they&#039;d spent the best part of a decade building and Britpop fans just didn&#039;t care much about a weekly press. This argument is generalising from my own experience a bit though.

(The example NME need to avoid following is Select, not MM, tho)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well MM went under mostly cos it was selling half what NME was in a shrinking market and IPC presumably realised one title was all they needed!</p>
<p>I argued on ILM at one point that MM went under because Britpop turned out to be the wrong horse to back &#8211; it drove off the audience they&#8217;d spent the best part of a decade building and Britpop fans just didn&#8217;t care much about a weekly press. This argument is generalising from my own experience a bit though.</p>
<p>(The example NME need to avoid following is Select, not MM, tho)</p>
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		<title>By: Ass Hat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ass Hat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great piece. it&#039;s interesting, in the context of your argument, to think about why the melody maker went under in the late 90s. 

since mm&#039;s demise, nme&#039;s been very canny at setting the rock agenda, and pitching itself halfway between serious journalism and teenage rag. but it&#039;s had no real competition. in the late 90s, it was the maker that was going for the market you describe - putting ash on the cover every week, giving out freebies - while nme went off the rails trying to find the next britpop (stool-rock? new new romnatics? godspeed on the cover). 

i don&#039;t know why mm went under, or how this affects the argument, but once it did, i think luck as well as judgement played their part, for the nme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great piece. it&#8217;s interesting, in the context of your argument, to think about why the melody maker went under in the late 90s. </p>
<p>since mm&#8217;s demise, nme&#8217;s been very canny at setting the rock agenda, and pitching itself halfway between serious journalism and teenage rag. but it&#8217;s had no real competition. in the late 90s, it was the maker that was going for the market you describe &#8211; putting ash on the cover every week, giving out freebies &#8211; while nme went off the rails trying to find the next britpop (stool-rock? new new romnatics? godspeed on the cover). </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t know why mm went under, or how this affects the argument, but once it did, i think luck as well as judgement played their part, for the nme.</p>
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