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PETERS AND LEE – “Welcome Home”

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#334, 21st July 1973

Suppose one wanted to give “Welcome Home” a low mark – what actual grounds would one have for saying it’s a bad record? It’s a catchy, memorable, uptempo song, delivered in a friendly and honest way. It’s sentimental, but a level of sentimentality is almost inevitable when you’re trying to communicate big emotions in a small song. Certainly its sense of calm and relief doesn’t transmit as phoney.

But I don’t want to listen to it again, either – I can make myself empathise with it but that doesn’t come naturally. It’s not an exciting record. It doesn’t want to be, so this is another unfair criticism, but one which gets closer to the contentedly huge gap between what “Welcome Home” offers and what I want. Pop music needs to agitate me somehow, contain questions or conflicts, provoke reactions (physical ones are fine!), build imaginative worlds – but “Welcome Home” is all resolution, a happy ending without a story to lead me to it. In the end I can’t respond to it, not because it’s bad, or poorly crafted, but because it feels too complete. Maybe later.

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    Rosie on 20 Aug 2007 #

    One good reason for marking it down is that it almost sounds like Bob Dylan’s Love Minus Zero/No Limit, but it isn’t.

    My mind superimposes an extra rhythm on this and the next number one. I spent the summer holidays in 1973 working for Polycell, mostly putting tins of putty into boxes and stacking them. Radio One played over the tannoy all day long, presumably to keep the workers happy although I wasn’t in the least happy being there. I hated being on the factoryt floor and wanted to be with people I knew in the offices, but segregration between office and factory was strictly enforced in 1973, even in the canteen.

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    mike on 21 Aug 2007 #

    …and then there’s the TV talent show factor, although very few Opportunity Knocks/New Faces winners reached Number One in those days, and in fact wasn’t this the first occasion since Mary Hopkin…?

    …and then there’s the Lennie Peters “ah bless, he’s blind” factor, with Dianne Lee cast fairly overtly as his carer…

    …but then there’s also the Johnny Franz factor, with the producer bagging his 10th (and last) UK Number One, and his first since Dusty’s “You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me” seven years earlier…

    …and the Clem Cattini factor, the former Tornados drummer bagging his 33rd of 46 UK Number Ones (following “Son Of My Father”)…

    …and yes, much as I was generationally obliged to loathe it at the time (boring old-folks MOR getting in the way of The Great Summer Of Glam), I’ll concede a certain winning cosiness to it now. (“Come on in and close the door” vs La Hopkin’s “Take off your coat and come inside”.)

    Oi’ll give it foive.

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Oh, dear God. Duck, everyone, it’s The Blonde and The Blindy! For them, Opportunity Knocks. And I mean that most sincerely, friends. This simply had to be the cheesiest Number One of the seventies. It’s so cheddar-enriched, in fact, you could have used the disc as a topping for a shepherds pie. But even greater doses of Double Gloucester could be enjoyed when considering how Lenny Peters obtained his white stick, as contrary to popular belief (no pun intended), he wasn’t born sightless. I quote now from ‘Nostalgia Central’:

    “At the age of five, Lenny Peters was knocked down by a car and lost the sight of his left eye.

    “Another accident at 16 made him totally blind. He was sunbathing at Hampstead (sic) when louts started throwing stones. He went over and told them to pack it up. He lay down in the sun and the next thing one of them heaved half a brick at him and got him in the other eye.

    “He had two operations and sight in his right eye was restored.He was about to be discharged but the night before he was due to go home he notice the man in the next bed was about to fall on the floor. He ran over to him, tried to pick him up but as he did the sudden strain suddenly detached the retina in his eye. He hasn’t seen since. Apparently the bloke in the next bed died later anyway.

    “During the 1960’s some of Lennie’s ‘encouragement and help’ came from the infamous Kray twins”.

    I defy anyone not to digest this story without suppressing a chortle. It is an unholy mixture of horror and humour. The humour is darkest black, of course, but it is undoubtedly there, rather like as in a James Thurber cartoon. The connection with the Krays only serves to add extra piquancy to the tragic dish and, I’m afraid, even more humour. Ronnie and Reggie’s “encouragement and help” would have occured when Lennie was a sole cabaret act prior to him being paired with the extremely pleasant Dianne Lee, who was running a catering business, I think, last time I heard. Lennie, alas, has since died.

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Almost needless to say, experience and age(ing) have led me to approach this record from the opposite angle to Tom’s.

    Of all the number one singles in 1973, I would propose that this comes closest to evoking 1973 Britain, the Britain of Double Diamond, Dickie Davies, three-day weeks, 10:30 TV closedowns, the oil crisis (“SAVE IT!”), striking electricians and miners, Don Revie, Billy Bremner and Norman Hunter, The Changes, Charly says, hammer-to-orange road safety commercials, Donald Pleasance and the mill stream, the overarching greyness of the country (I keep thinking of Bob and Terry, in Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads?, wandering around an utterly ruined and decrepit Newcastle, wondering aloud where it had all gone wrong, but also the virtual two-dimensionalism of Glasgow’s blackened buildings before it became (S)Miles Better), the beginning of my dad’s protracted (eight years) long suicide, kids from the Catholic school next door trying to run me over with their bikes…well, more information there than strictly necessary, perhaps, but “Welcome Home” for over thirty years summoned all those spirits instantly towards my mind.

    Op Knox really was a tacky programme, more akin to a British Gong Show than an X-Factor antecedent (New Faces fit the latter bill far more aptly), with the wobbly Clapometer (or, as Opportunity Knocks studio band guitarist Derek Bailey subsequently revealed, the “wankophone” as Hughie Green privately described it), the unsubtle patronisation of its audience (“If you can’t remember the name of the act, just write down ‘ventriloquist’ and we’ll know who you mean”), and the few acts who, by the law of batting averages, came through to a greater or lesser extent.

    Peters and Lee were indeed the first Op Knox act to top the charts since Mary Hopkin (though there were in the interim two near misses; the Casuals made number two at the end of ’68 with “Jesamine” and Motherwell’s own boy wonder Neil Reid similarly took second place in early ’72 with his heartrending, is this 1952 or 2002 “Mother Of Mine” – my favourite, however, was the genuinely disturbing Tyneside John Shuttleworth forerunner Gerry Monroe with his ear-splitting falsetto assaults on “Sally,” “My Prayer” etc.; no idea what became of him, but since he was already getting on in ’71 I suspect he’s long gone), and watching the girl on Saturday’s X-Factor pulled back from death on the operating table and tugging at all the right heartstrings took me right back to Peters and Lee – for those who weren’t around at the time, they kept Lennie Peters’ blindness a secret for the first 2-3 weeks they were on the show before revealing that his wearing shades wasn’t a Roy Orbison fetish; I think they won for something like eight or nine weeks in a row, which at that time was a record.

    But for the next two or three years they were huge in Britain, always on TV or at the end of Blackpool North Pier (at their peak they got to play inland, at the Winter Gardens). Unthreatening but unobjectionable easy listening with Peters doing his Ray Charles homage; in fact, as an unknown we came across him (July 1971, fact fans) playing in a Blackpool restaurant, at the organ, taking requests; my dad asked him to do “Yesterdays” (“the Jerome Kern tune, not the McCartney one”) whereupon Peters nodded eagerly at a fellow connoisseur and gave a fine performance of the song to an otherwise totally mystified audience. Can’t remember whether Dianne Lee was in attendance but the place was quite packed.

    In retrospect he probably could have carried all of these songs by himself but clearly Lee was needed in other senses; she confines herself to fragile high harmonies most of the time but the blend worked for their audience. “Welcome Home” was one of the real smashes of ’73, on the chart for six months plus, and I guess for the above personal reasons as well as its innate sense of Britishness it speaks to me where “Tie A Yellow Ribbon” cannot. In the face of glam and punk they got laughed at and sneered at but I think it’s a sweet song (though its arrangement is very 1973 with its odd mixture of Engelbert strings and choir, C&W rhythm and vaguely ominous electric guitar booming – Big Jim Sullivan?) bearing the kind of message which you really have to live to be my age before you can understand why it meant what it did to people who were the age I am now when I was just a kid; I like the way in which the third verse slowly takes the perspective out from the personal and they are singing to the world.

    I agree with Tom that if pop didn’t contain all the factors he mentions it would hardly be worth bothering with – but conflict has to be balanced by harmony (otherwise where’s the conflict?), innovation by consolidation, agitation by comfort, questions by answers. If the charts of the period had all been “Welcome Home”s (as the late ’67 charts so nearly were) then there would be cause for objection, but since they demonstrably weren’t it can be considered an extra spice, a balancing measure, another flavour to add to the diverse rainbow that the 1973 singles chart offered.

    And yes, for me “Welcome Home” symbolises a happy ending to a frequently tortuous story, but this isn’t really the place to talk about that… ;-)

    From me, an 8.

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    I see while I was writing the above that Waldo has confirmed the Kray story (Peters does a cameo at the beginning of The Long Good Friday, maybe to balance out Pierce Brosnan’s cameo at the end) – well, Larkin’s Law applies here (as it may or may not do with the next number one)…

    The last I heard of Dianne Lee, she was appearing as the female lead in one of Jim Davidson’s adult pantomimes at the Dominion Theatre in Tottenham Court Road (Snow White?), with music composed by Emerson, Lake and Palmer – now there’s a 1973 musical circle squared (“Welcome Home” and Brain Salad Surgery ending up in the same place – who’d have thunk it?)!

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Marcello – I loved your earlier contribution and especially reminding us all of the excellent Gerry Monroe, who did indeed keep Everest Double Glazing in business back in the day. He looked a bit like Arthur Askey, didn’t he? I seem to recall Dale thought the world of him too.

    I rather hope that your Leeds United references were aired in the pejorative sense, as I was/am a Chelsea boy/man and people of my vintage hated that Revie side like rat poison, as they did us.

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    I’ve recently read David Peace’s The Damned Utd. I still can’t understand why Cloughie took the job.

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    Billy Smart on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Unfortunately, I was first introduced to this song by the Gary Lineker Walkers Crisps advetisment that was on ITV twice an hour for what seemed like six months in 1993, so the real comforts that the recording provides are always compromised.

    As always, Marcello is very acute and observant about the arrangement. I think that I’d like this less if it had been made (to the standards of the time) in 1963 or 1983.

    I have in front of me my copy of Welcome Home on the LP ‘Best of Family Favourites’ (BBC Records, 1978). The cover of this album is a very precise attempt to create a mood of reasurance on the part of the listener – a cherubic boy and girl sit at table with their rugged looking father. On the table is a steaming bowl of peas into which the butter has not let melted and a gravyboat. The mother of the family, in twinset and pearls, is entering the room, holding a joint of beef. The centrepiece of the room is not a fireplace or television, but an enormous valve radio. A clock reads 12 to 1. The picture conveys more of a Sunday lunchtime of 1953 than 1978 – the boy is even wearing a tie! The part of me that finds this sleeve laughable and corny (it’s not a good painting) is balanced by a bit of me that would despearately like to be a part of this family. I feel the same way about Welcome Home – against all the odds, it is sincere and very human in its wish for comfort.

    Incidentally, the album also features May Each Day (Andy Williams), We’ll Meet Again (Vera Lynn), We’ll Keep a Welcome (Harry Secombe), Sailing as interpreted by the Band of the Ark Royal and the Dam Busters march!

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    I think Cloughie took the job because that greedy swine Revie had taken the England job, thereby leaving the best team in country managerless. Clough lasted about six weeks at Leeds, I think. Obviously it should have been Cloughie himself for England and not the Don but that was never going to happen, now was it?

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    mike on 21 Aug 2007 #

    In a parallel universe, whereby the forthcoming 40 Years Of Radio One covers comp contained potentially listenable choices (but when do these projects ever work, eh?), I’d have Richard Hawley doing the re-make, in his best “weary traveller” mode… but who would be his Dianne Lee, beatifically ushering him into her glowing parlour? Sophie Ellis-Bextor? Tracyanne Campbell? Sarah Cracknell?

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Tracyanne would be my preferred choice (btw Lady’s Bridge, the new Richard Hawley album out yesterday, is a classic: in my parallel 1973 “Valentine” would have been a number one).

    Rumours that Peters and Lee returned to the upper reaches of the charts in a new guise in the early eighties with a long run of hits commencing with “Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This” are of course entirely unfounded…

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    As a matter of fact, their follow-up to this chart-topper had the marvellous “Dance in the Old Fashioned Way” as a B-side: “That gay, old fashioned way just makes me love you more..” Oh, yes indeedy!

    I had no idea that there was a forthcoming set of covers to mark 40 years of Radio One, but if we are offering suggestions for “Welcome Home”, surely we could not go wrong with David Blunkett and Harriet Harman?

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    Erithian on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Another Op Knocks contestant having his day in the sun at the time was Stuart Gillies, with a ballad titled “Amanda”. His voice is perhaps better remembered as delivering the theme tune to “Love Thy Neighbour” – another iconic part of 1973 the mere mention of which opens a whole can of worms. And at the time Peters and Lee were number one, or perhaps a little later, a certain Nottingham band were preparing for their big break on the same show.

    You may remember that Op Knocks featured a “sponsor” for each act, who came on to chat to Hughie Green about what good sorts the acts were and how they deserved their chance etc. The sponsor slot for Peters and Lee might have been interesting had the Krays not already been banged up…

    That’s a lovely re-assessment of the song, Marcello, and you’re right about having to be a certain age to appreciate this kind of sentiment. Many a song from that era that I dismissed back then I’d now be filling up over, although I couldn’t quite see “Welcome Home” being one of them. I remember finding it unspeakably dreary back in the day – perhaps I need to listen to it again. I became a dad at exactly the same age as my dad was when I was born, so I’m seeing every stage of my childhood from a fresh perspective, and yes that Family Favourites image is powerful. Billy, were you talking about Two-Way Family Favourites? – the show that played requests for families separated by distance all over the Empire (or Commonwealth, depending on what era you were listening). I heard a compilation of that show one Christmas morning and was in bits…

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Surely Two-Way Familiy Favourites might be more appropriate for the next installment of this epic…

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    To paraphrase the title of another unlikely 1973 Top 40 hit, ooh you are awful…

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    …but you like me!

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Dale’s comments on Gerry Monroe were unusually animated: “Now I know you think I’m going to make fun of this and slag it off, but no, it’s a happy record and I like it…so there!” That’s telling those Robert Christgau who’s boss!

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Has Dale ever given anything a particular savaging? He’s a reasonable lad, is Dale, but I’m sure kitty has claws.

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    He did once. See if you can guess what the record was; the only clue I will give is that it came from the summer of 1982.

    “Oh I didn’t like that at all! Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE *the act in question* but how could they let them do this to them? I must apologise for playing that record… (pause) …but it was a big hit.”

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    mike on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Well, in his unlikely role as Midlands Godfather of Early Electro, mid-82 to mid-83, as attained by presenting Radio Trent’s Monday night “Soul Show”, Dale used to play some of the starker, more arcade-game-centric stuff between faintly gritted teeth, but even then you had to listen hard for the nuance…

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    mike on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Marcello, it’s got to be the Beatles Movie Medley…???

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    Billy Smart on 21 Aug 2007 #

    I imagine that the album is a tie-in with the show – it has a Radio 2 logo on it – but the prefix ‘two-way’ had disappeared by 1978.

    I’ve heard Dale diss 3 records over the last year. In addition to the 1982 abomination cited by Marcello, he’s also expressed displeasure over a 1971 Top of the Pops LP of anonymous cover versions that he was obliged to play because it was number 1 and given vent to his dislike of The Temperance Seven. His catchphrase “It was a bit of an unusual one, but we loved it” might be a euphemism…

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Yes it was “The Beatles Movie Medley,” to date the only officially released Beatles track unavailable on CD.

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Come to think of it, he was in a bit of a sarky mood when he did ’68 last week:

    1. After playing “Here Comes The Judge” by Pigmeat Markham (great record!) he said “Yes, well it was a novelty hit…d’you know, that was the only UK hit single Pigmeat Markham had (meaningful pause). Now there’s a surprise.”

    2. After playing “MacArthur Park” in full: “That was Richard Harris…has he finished yet? Has he done? Oh, good.”

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    Erithian on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Since we’re on the subject of DJ disses, a favourite of mine from a Capital DJ – forget which – playing a certain song that outstayed its welcome at No 1. He played it at 78rpm to get it over with quicker, then said “Surely there can’t be anyone left in the entire Western hemisphere who still wants a copy of that record.” I’ll use that line again in about eight Popular-years’ time.

    Pigmeat Markham – yayyy! One of the first records I remember.

    Mike’s reference to Clem Cattini’s 46 number ones – a list of 45 of them is at http://www.coda-uk.co.uk/clem_cattini.htm#Hits. Which one did they miss out, Mike? (And that’s a very obscure quiz-question link between Peters and Lee and Muse!)

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    mike on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Ooh, wouldn’t that be a SPOILER, Erithian?! (Small clue: it was a long, long time after the 45th Number One.)

    This Cattini fellow: it does seem extraordinary that he could have played on such a broad range of Number Ones, working with producers from Meek to Visconti to Moroder to Gamble/Huff and all points in between. But it’s all there on t’internet, so it must be true…

    And having given the gorgeous new Richard Hawley album its inaugural play this morning, it does seem that something of the spirit of “Welcome Home” lingers on…

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    Waldo on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Steve Wright (in the afternoon) once played MacArthur Park, I remember, and the funny bastard chucked in a spoiler by shouting out “Two choc-ices, please!” in the middle of it.

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    Erithian on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Mike (and anyone else who was mystified by this) – I’ve just found out what the 46th Clem Cattini number 1 was. I thought you might have been mistaken saying 46 when the website listed 45, but that list was posted some time ago. You obviously knew, but for anyone who didn’t, it was a minor 1971 hit that took 34 years to reach the top thanks to Comic Relief. (Does that avoid the “spoiler” tag?)

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    Marcello Carlin on 21 Aug 2007 #

    I suspect not.

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    intothefireuk on 21 Aug 2007 #

    Whichever angle I come at this single from I cannot warm to it. It and its hideous parent programme evoke far too many painful memories to allow it any leeway for cultural or historical perspective. Neil Reid, Lena Zavaroni, Bonnie Langford, Little & *%$!ing Large & an unfeasibly huge cast of hideous cabaret/circus acts have left their mark. P & L were in essence a novelty act (could anyone actually hear her at all ?) and as such, fit in perfectly with the talent? around them on the show. Thankfully it only lasted a week at no.1.

    …and I mean that most sincerely folks.

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    mike on 21 Aug 2007 #

    But then again: if it wasn’t for OpKnox, we wouldn’t have had “Those Were The Days” or “Who Do You Think You Are”, unimpeachable classics both…

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    Doctor Casino on 22 Aug 2007 #

    The song does nothing for me and I have nothing to say about it, but that dull backdrop only makes me appreciate the wonderfulness of the Popular comments thread all the more. I can only imagine that half the joy in this project for Tom comes from reading wonderful posts like these. The mix of honest personal narrative, pop-trivia-hounding, and general insight into culture (‘pop’ and otherwise) in times gone by is compelling. Speaking solely as a fan of this blog, thanks to all y’all for the regular edutainment. Seriously.

    On a selfish note, I can’t wait till we get to the 90s and I start being able to offer my own comparitive take!

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    Marcello Carlin on 22 Aug 2007 #

    That might be a rather long wait, Dr C… ;-)

    But had it not been for OpKnox we wouldn’t have had the Shortwave Set either, since one of the central samples they use on their album comes from the singing miners Millican and Nesbitt (the Robson and Jerome of their day).

    Wasn’t Bonnie Langford on Junior Showtime rather than OpKnox? As far as Junior Showtime goes, we mustn’t forget one of 1973’s scariest Top 40 hits, “Milly Molly Mandy” by Glyn Poole. Although I’d half forgotten about the Handley Family, OpKnox’s very own failed Osmonds.

    In addition OpKnox ’73 produced 15-year-old choirboy Michael Ward with his heartrending “Let There Be Peace On Earth” which Dale admitted not remembering on POTP but I remember it all right: “Let therrrrrre be peeeeeeace on Earrrrth/Let it begiiiiin with meeeeeee…” Ah kids, they don’t know they’re born today…

    *SPOILER ALERT: OpKnox ’74 people I’ll talk about more when we get to the, um, black eyed boys…*

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    Erithian on 22 Aug 2007 #

    On the other side of the ledger, MC, we can credit Op Knocks with two Liverpool bands who were pretty good. One which produced one of the best No 1s of 1976, we’ll come to them in due course; the other being Natural High, who appeared on Op Knocks in 1974 and took 13 years to have a massive hit album, and several outstanding singles, under the name The Christians.

    Millican and Nesbitt were another Blackpool Pier act, I saw them there once. Hmm. Mind you, unlike Robson and Jerome, they’d put in a few shifts first.

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    Marcello Carlin on 22 Aug 2007 #

    Yes, Natural High/the Christians (*SPOILER ALERT: whom we’ll also be meeting on Popular on at least two occasions in the fullness of time and in the company of others) – I’d completely forgotten about that!

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    mike on 22 Aug 2007 #

    The only other hit-making OpKnox act I can think of is Berni Flint, but we needn’t dwell…

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    mike on 22 Aug 2007 #

    (Also, thanks VERY much to MC for setting up the Handley Family’s Junior Choice favourite “Wham Bam” as today’s unshakeable earworm… make it stop, make it stop!)

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    Marcello Carlin on 22 Aug 2007 #

    Sadly I can’t remember any of the Andy and David Williams oeuvre offhand…

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    mike on 22 Aug 2007 #

    “I don’t know why I love you like I do, I don’t know why, I just do…”

    Sung flat, as I recall.

    Incidentally, and re. #24/#27 above, Andy Williams Senior did a cracking version of “MacArthur Park” on his recent (and final) UK tour…

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    Marcello Carlin on 22 Aug 2007 #

    It has to be better than the version I saw on the Rolf Harris Show, where the Young Generation came in at the fast bit (curiously not yet available on YouTube)…

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    Brian on 22 Aug 2007 #

    Another song that I hadn’t heard of but I feel that I have when I read Marcello’s comments at # 4. Inspired.

    And I have to second Doc Casino at # 32 – this is what it’s all about.

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    Waldo on 22 Aug 2007 #

    Remember that idiot Bob Blackman, whose sole “act” was to sing “Mule Train”, whilst whacking his bonce with a tray? Did he appear on OpKnox or was it possibly New Faeces?

    Junior Shotime’s Glynn Poole was intend a very ill child and “Milly Molly Mandy” should have seen him sectioned and removed from polite society. He released another record “Good Time Song” (“…that cheers me up when things go wrong”). This one didn’t chart to my astonishment.

    I believe that Bonnie Langford was indeed on OpKnox but stand to be corrected. Incidentally, Bonnie is currently on the road with Sandi Toksvig in a very entertaining theatre show. The audience inevitably has a large gay representation (men to see Bonnie and women to see Sandi) but the show does not dwell on this and is marvellous fun. Toksvig particularly is wonderful, as she always was on “Call My Bluff”.

    Mike – Berni Flint rocked. And as Dale would say “so there!”

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    Marcello Carlin on 22 Aug 2007 #

    Ah yes, the Mule Train tray headbanger. The good old days of pre-TV music hall when you could tour the same five-minute act around the country for thirty years. Alas, TV swallowed him up in the same five minutes. Almost as bad as Roy somebody or other who used to slither across the screen in a prison suit saying “Weiiiiiiird” and “You’ll all be doing this tomorrow.” No one did.

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    mike on 22 Aug 2007 #

    Waldo: Bonnie Langford was in fact a graduate of Junior Showtime, whereas Lena Zavaroni came from OpKnox.

    Looking forward to a similarly in-depth discussion of New Faces as and when we get to it… which won’t be for a few Number Ones yet.

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    Waldo on 22 Aug 2007 #

    Mike – I’m obliged for the Bonnie correction. I wouldn’t be surprised if she also cut her teeth on “The Good Old Days”, which were anything but. Leonard Sachs was cosmic as master of ceremonies but as soon as he introduced Bernard Cribbens singing “Follow the Van” it used to lead me straight to my parents’ drinks cabinet. Harveys Bristol Cream on a good night. Johnnie Walker Red Label on a better one.

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    Doctor Casino on 23 Aug 2007 #

    Now I’m convinced you guys are just making all these acts up!

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    Caledonianne on 23 Aug 2007 #

    #43 Marcello

    That would be Roy Jay. “Spook. Slither”. Think the Laughter Show, or Bob Monkhouse type things…

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    Marcello Carlin on 23 Aug 2007 #

    Roy Jay, that’s it! Thanks, Anne!

    Googling reveals that his career went abruptly downhill – though wouldn’t that presuppose an uphill stage? – when he exposed himself PJ Proby-style on stage in the mid-eighties. Apparently he was last witnessed doing the exact same act in a dodgy bar in Benidorm a couple of years ago (i.e. spook/slither/etc. rather than PJ Proby).

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    Erithian on 23 Aug 2007 #

    If you think we’re making these acts up, Doc, check out Tony Holland, the Musical Muscle Man – he won Op Knocks six weeks running in the mid-60s.

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    Marcello Carlin on 23 Aug 2007 #

    Confirmed/backed up!

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    Snif on 24 Aug 2007 #

    Dianne Lee is married to Rick Price, former Wizzard bass player turned Peters and Lee tour manager…they apparently perform as a duo here and there now and then.

    And didn’t the Bonzo Dog Band appear on Opportunity Knocks? (there’s some footage on YouTube that purports to be such)

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    Marcello Carlin on 24 Aug 2007 #

    The Bonzos certainly did not appear on OpKnox but they were the house band on the proto-Python Thames TV kids’ show Do Not Adjust Your Set; the songs they performed on the series are collected on the Tadpoles album.

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    mike on 24 Aug 2007 #

    Ah, Do Not Adjust Your Set… I used to watch that. Members of The Scaffold used to pop up on it as well. It’s right on the fringes of my memory, along with Kenny Everett and Germaine Greer’s comedy sketch show Nice Time, which seems to have been completely forgotten about.

    I once saw Roy Jay supporting the Three Degrees. Barbican Centre, 1981 or 1982.

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    Pete Baran on 24 Aug 2007 #

    I always like to mention that Germaine Greer was Kenny Everett’s sidekick on a TV show in the late sixties. People never believe me.

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    Marcello Carlin on 24 Aug 2007 #

    The only way I remember Nice Time is from the clip they keep showing on archive progs (which I guess is the only clip remaining) with Greer and Everett doing their ballet routine. Odd couple.

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    Waldo on 24 Aug 2007 #

    Erithian – I can remember not so much a Musical Muscle Man on OpKnox as much as a Muscle Boy, whom I distinctly recall flexing along to “The Tea For Two Cha-Cha”. I don’t think this was Tony Holland. I don’t know who the hell it was. I also remember a German kid called Wolfgang, who “came through the door of opportunity” once or twice as a child novelty ivory tinkler. I think he played Beethoven just like Schroeder from Peanuts. Huughie loved the lad, so he did.

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    Marcello Carlin on 24 Aug 2007 #

    No, “Wheels Cha Cha” man was most definitely Tony Holland; he still crops up on C4 list shows to talk about it.

    Also we must not forget Russ Conway wannabe Bobby Crush who persists to this day from the fame afforded to him following his number 37 smash hit “Borsalino.”

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    Waldo on 24 Aug 2007 #

    Bobby was a “favourite with the grannies” and always looked about 14. It’s rather strange that since this guy was so popular that this did not convert itself into chart success on even a partial basis to that of Russ Conway. Not that this brought tears to my eyes really. As for “persisting to this day”, could it be that Mr Crush has been obliged to ply his trade on the dreaded (last) resorts of The North Wales Shuffle?

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    Snif on 25 Aug 2007 #

    Oops, you’re right, it was apparently “New Faces” that the Bonzos appeared on..and I think it’s time Germaine to be in another comedy TV show, she seems so unhappy these days.

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    Mark G on 28 Aug 2007 #

    My fav P&L story, sort of, is:

    Andy Rourke hearing Morrissey and Marr working out the tune to a particular song they’d just written together, and saying “Youse two sound like Peters and Lee!!”

    (Check Johnny’s harmony vocal on “Feel Every Beat” Electronic”)

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    Erithian on 28 Aug 2007 #

    There’s summat up wi’ summat here – New Faces, as in the ITV talent show, began in 1973/74, long after the Bonzos came to prominence. Yet various parts of the Web refer to their appearing on a show called New Faces in 1966 – presumably this was a different show?

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    Mark G on 28 Aug 2007 #

    56: Waldo:

    Wolfgang Plugge!

    One child playing beethoven, aggressively.

    Won every week, until he had to go back to school, or got stopped for winning embarrassingly.

    Never seen again?

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    Mark G on 28 Aug 2007 #

    OK, found some:

    Wolfgang Plagge’s music is being performed by musicians, ensembles and orchestras all over the world, and his reputation as a composer is ever growing. In 1996 he was created “Composer of the Year” with the Trondheim Symphony Orchestra. He received the American ASCAP Award for 2001 and won the Vocal Nord composers’ contest 2003. A number of works are recorded on CD; scores can be obtained through 2L e-scores, Musikk-Husets Forlag AS Oslo, or the Norwegian Music Information Center. Wolfgang Plagge is a member of the Norwegian Society of Composers.

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    Chris Brown on 28 Aug 2007 #

    #42: It’s a running gag between my brother and my dad that we once missed the start of The Simpsons because my dad insisted on watching some footage of “the bloke who hits himself on the head with a tray” on some ghastly clip show.

    Speaking for myself here, I’m not of an age to have any memories associated with this song other than the Linekar advert, but it’s a record I’d have to make a real effort to dislike. Mind you, I’ve got all the Richard Hawley albums.

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    Waldo on 29 Aug 2007 #

    Thank you for the update on Wolfgang, guys. I knew I wasn’t losing my mind this time.

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    BRIAN MATTOCKS on 29 Aug 2007 #

    Peters and lee were one of my fave acts, I grew up with them and still hear from Diane and Rick price (her hubby) now and then. Welcome home is not their best work, but the one thats well known….they did 11 albums and 22 singles. And old fasioned way was not a follow up to welcome home, but by your side/clear on my mind It wasn’t a big hit as don’t stay away too long sadly……but Ive LOVED everyones memories of peters n lee here, even the ones who diddn’t like them or the song!

    BRIAN

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    dave cotton on 30 Aug 2007 #

    what ever happened to “Wolfgang Plug” a James Harries lookalke who played piano? only me and our drummer ever seen him…..never met any one else who remembers him! HELP

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    Erithian on 30 Aug 2007 #

    Brian M – welcome along mate. It’s a nice by-product of Popular that fans or even friends of the acts covered can stumble across our discussions via Google. Best wishes to Dianne and Rick. And Brian, if you look around on the site you’ll find a discussion on Wizzard that I think you’ll enjoy too (*SPOILER ALERT* – and another one shortly!)

    Wolfgang Plugge? Now even I’m starting to think you’re making it up!!

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    Marcello Carlin on 30 Aug 2007 #

    Even I don’t remember WP.

    I do remember a Bobby Crush-style pianist on either OpKnox or New Faces slightly later in the decade who may or may not have been Australian but who bore the remarkable stage name of Wayne King.

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    Waldo on 30 Aug 2007 #

    Perhaps Wayne Kerr would have been more appropriate…

    Brain M. Yes, welcome to the party and all the best to Dianne and Rick. I’m sure that “Old Fashioned Way” was on the flip of “Don’t Stay Away Too Long”. Perhaps this should have been a Double-A.

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    Marcello Carlin on 30 Aug 2007 #

    It certainly was the flipside and possibly should have been a double B side but anyway…

    “Don’t Stay Away Too Long” was an odd one; the same tune and arrangement, but with different lyrics, was a hit for Bobby Vinton in the States at exactly the same time under the name of “My Melody Of Love.”

    Meanwhile, Aznavour’s original of “The Old Fashioned Way” hit later on in ’73 and went on to sell 200,000 copies despite never climbing higher than #38.

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    Waldo on 30 Aug 2007 #

    Lordy, was that 200,000 copies just here in the UK?

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    Marcello Carlin on 30 Aug 2007 #

    Yep. It was in the Top 100 for just over a year, largely because Wogan wouldn’t stop playing it.

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    Waldo on 30 Aug 2007 #

    That’s a remarkable stat from MC. Although to prevent the risk of setting off Spoiler sirens all over the place perhaps further discussion vis a vis French Charlie should be deferred until 1974 when he emerges in his own right into our affections.

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    intothefireuk on 30 Aug 2007 #

    We had a fellow at our school who really was named Wayne Kerr. Wonder whatever happened to him?

    AFAIK The Bonzos, unfortunately did not feature on the 70s/80s version of New Faeces we all know & love.

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    brian on 31 Aug 2007 #

    aww, ta for the few welcomes……what a nice lot you seem to be! If anyone is interested or just want a laugh, I do have a peters and lee website! (Don’t laugh!) Heaven knows what the site address is (and I made it) but its easy to find in a search engine….anyway, dont stay away too long/old fasioned way was their third single, came after by your side/clear in my mind for thoes interested. I was only 3 when they won opp. knocks so love all your memories. Just wish I remembered more than a few seconds I can…..they even had their own TV series in 1976 for one series in april/may, on ATV. Love to see that now. But ATV have wiped it….the sods.

    BRIAN

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    Billy Smart on 1 Sep 2007 #

    The series was called ‘Meet Peters & Lee’ and ran to six episodes in April and May of 1976. Charlie Drake co-starred in all shows, with musical support from either The Ladybirds or The Maggie Stredder Singers.

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    Waldo on 1 Sep 2007 #

    The Ladybirds! Cor! Don’t get me started!!! I wouldn’t mind betting Charlie Drake tried to jump them, the mucky wee devil!

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    Marcello Carlin on 3 Sep 2007 #

    YouTube results for “charlie drake” “ladybirds” “jump” = 0.

    They did sing backing vocals on Hendrix’s “Hey Joe,” mind.

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    Erithian on 3 Sep 2007 #

    Now if we could only find a clip of the Ladybirds backing Clodagh Rodgers…

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    Waldo on 3 Sep 2007 #

    Dear God, don’t torture me, Erithian…

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    Tez Burke on 5 Sep 2007 #

    What a thoroughly enjoyable trawl through the “joys” of oily Hughie Green-era OpKnox this is proving to be. Many thanks, Marcello & co.

    Now my question is; did Mud appear on the show, a good few years before Les Gray and his outrageous wing collars started to trouble the chart compilers? Maybe my memory is not what it was, maybe things are being conflated after nearly forty years; but I’m pretty sure they did, at around the same time that the horrendous Gerry Monroe won it.

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    Marcello Carlin on 6 Sep 2007 #

    I mainly remember pre-chart Mud being regulars on the Basil Brush Show, but I think you may be right about their being on OpKnox; that definitely rings a bell. At that time IIRC they were much more of a Barron Knights type of comedy group.

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    brian on 7 Sep 2007 #

    yes thats the one, Charlie drake did appear in all the episodes of the main “meet peters and lee” series. However they had also a couple of Christmas episodes as well and he wasn’t in these I don’t think, Leslie Crowther was in the 1974 edition…..And yes, the ladybirds did aapear in the episodes n all….gee I wish they still exsisted now to see…love to see some of that stuff now. Does anyone recall much more about the series at all?????

    BRIAN

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    Waldo on 8 Sep 2007 #

    I guess the Basil Brush show featured “Mr Derek” at this time, who went on to save his career by appearing in the wonderful “Yes Minister” as Sir Humphrey’s number two as well as in one episode of the unbeatable “Morse”. As for Charlie Drake and Peters and Lee, I don’t recall this at all, which is just as well as it sounds terrifying. Did Pat Coombes appear on this as well, or is that perhaps a bridge too far?

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    intothefireuk on 9 Sep 2007 #

    I seem to have erased most of these names from memory over the years probably not a bad thing – but Pat Coombes was a bridge too far and I fear I will be having some horrendous flashbacks over the next few nights now. Thanks Waldo.

    Mr Derek also of course made a few quid by starring in countless episodes of the enigma that is ‘Heartbeat’.

    And, yes, Mud did appear in OpKnox but didn’t win – more of them later I suspect.

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    brian on 9 Sep 2007 #

    awww….so none of you recall much about the “meet peters and lee” series then? I dont think Pat coombes was in the series though. I know there were some dodgey storylines though as Dianne lee told me of one where she lost her voice and one with a mouse in Lennies piano and Drake comming on in combat gear to get it (as a joke!) They do a song on hobbies with Drake in ep. 1 and this is about as much as I know of the series. But this is all I know of sadly.

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    Waldo on 10 Sep 2007 #

    INTF – Sorry, buddy but Pat Coombes flashbacks are simply a fact of life for those of us who were teenagers back in the seventies. Their effect can be nothing short of horrific but the wonders of modern medicine have offered hope that they can be eventually suppressed. This is done by a session of home therapy where the patient must take down liberal quantities of Wray & Nephew overproof rum mixed with cranberry juice, vodka, fresh limes and Toilet Duck. One simply continues to drink this nourishing brew until all remembrances of “Patty” dissolve like plant feed into the soil.

    The downturn is that you also forget your own name. A compromise most sufferers willingly accept…

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    Billy Smart on 10 Sep 2007 #

    Happily, at least 13 editions of variety shows featuring Peters & Lee do survive in the archives. Here’s a list, Brian;

    THE BIG TOP VARIETY SHOW: Featuring Peters and Lee, Duanes, Keith Harris (1980)

    CILLA: Featuring Peters and Lee, Jim Dale (1976)

    THE DAVID NIXON SHOW: Featuring Anita Harris, Johnny Hackett, Peters and Lee (1973)

    THE DAVID NIXON SHOW: Featuring Dinardi, Peters and Lee, Victor Burnett and June (1977)

    LONDON NIGHT OUT: Featuring Peters and Lee, Jerry Stevens, Tammy Jones (1980)

    LOOK–MIKE YARWOOD!: Featuring Peters and Lee (1974)

    THE ROLF HARRIS SHOW: Featuring Nina Bader-Semper, Liesbeth List, Peters and Lee (1973)

    RONNIE CORBETT’S SATURDAY SPECIAL: Featuring Peters and Lee, Rod Hull And Emu, Dana (1977)

    SEASIDE SPECIAL: Featuring Peters and Lee, Billy Dainty, Stu Francis (1975)

    SEASIDE SPECIAL: Featuring Tony Blackburn, David Hamilton, Peters and Lee (1976)

    SEASIDE SPECIAL: Featuring Peters and Lee, Mike Burton, Brian Marshall (1978)

    SEASIDE SPECIAL: Featuring Peter Powell, Little and Large, Peters and Lee (1979)

    STARBURST: Featuring Peters and Lee, Grace Kennedy, Sheena Easton (1980)

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    Marcello Carlin on 10 Sep 2007 #

    It was, literally, a different world.

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    Waldo on 10 Sep 2007 #

    I think the Seaside Special in the drought year “featuring Tony Blackburn, David Hamilton and Peters and Lee” would have been more than enough to see me scuttling off Beachy Head had I seen it, which quite clearly I didn’t, thank God.

    Does anyone have Anita Harris flashbacks, btw?

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    Billy Smart on 10 Sep 2007 #

    – and here are details of the 3 editions of variety shows starring Peters & Lee which don’t survive in the archives;

    SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE MILL: Featuring Peters and Lee, The Dotrice Family, Jack Dieval (1976)

    WEDNESDAY AT 8: Featuring Peters and Lee, Neville King, Lyn Paul (1976)

    WEDNESDAY AT 8: Featuring Peters and Lee, Black Abbotts, The Nolan Sisters (1977)

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    Marcello Carlin on 10 Sep 2007 #

    Anita Harris? Principally I remember her at the time from a kid’s show called Anita In Jumbleland which was every bit as awful as it sounds. This was long before I saw her in Carry On Doctor.

    Her 1967 weepie “Just Loving You” is apparently the biggest selling number six single ever but few remember her extremely weird, non-charting follow-up “The Playground” – surprised Saint Etienne haven’t rumbled it and put it on one of their compilations yet.

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    brian on 10 Sep 2007 #

    wow Billy,…..how do you know what exsists then, gee how can I get hold of any of that list….sigh! Dianne Lee gave me a wednesday at 8 from 1977 with the Nolans in it, wonder if thats a rare one, also the seaside spech of 1978 with Mike burton. But I have so little of them…do you know ANY way I can get hold of that stuff Billy???? Any way at all? Any idea’s???? Any?

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    Billy Smart on 11 Sep 2007 #

    The television archivists association Kaleidoscope publishes a series of useful filmographies detailing every British drama and variety television programme transmitted – The recently released Top of the Pops volume would make an ideal gift for any regular Popular correspondent! A concise version of this information can be found at http://www.lostshows.com , a site created to encourage people to look for missing programmes.

    As for viewing programmes… It’s very difficult to arrange. Understandably, archivists like a better reason for a request than our really wanting to see something.

    However, if a request is made to view a programme by somebody who was involved in the production, then television archives do allow viewing. So I’m sure that Dianne Lee could get to see her old appearances.

    You can see Peters & Lee on the Christmas 1973 Top of the Pops on Youtube, though.

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    brian on 11 Sep 2007 #

    aw, fiddle…..thought it wasn’t as simle as that then. Ive also already got a copy of the you tube TOTPs welcome home, had that for years already……drat. I take it this kaleidoscope confirms that “meet peters and lee” is gone then now does it? I wish there was a way to get hold of this stuff….after all, its rather unlikley that we will ever se a DVD release of any of this stuff…Id buy it that way if that was an option.

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    Erithian on 14 Sep 2007 #

    So Marcello, do you have a list of the highest-selling singles at each chart position? (I imagine “White Lines” might feature on it somewhere. “My Way”? “A Scottish Soldier”?…)

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    Marcello Carlin on 14 Sep 2007 #

    White Lines peaked at seven but has subsequently been outsold by LeAnn Rimes’ How Do I Live?

    You’d think My Way would have been the number five champ but since Bing’s White Christmas, which is the second biggest selling single ever, did peak at the same position following his death at Xmas ’77 I might have to rule that one out (since the UK chart didn’t start until 1952, i.e. a decade after White Christmas’ commercial peak, it’s difficult to assess this for definite, though).

    But I would reckon that A Scottish Soldier is the best-selling number 19 single.

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    Erithian on 14 Sep 2007 #

    And is this going to be the first thread on Popular that reaches 100 comments???

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    Marcello Carlin on 14 Sep 2007 #

    Doubt it.

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    brian on 14 Sep 2007 #

    If only this could show that Peters & lee were not that bad as evidence. 100 COMMENTS! I mean, they were the first act ever to have a number 1 album and single at the same point in time since the Beatles! And now most of their op. knocks wins have also been wiped as well as their TV series….is there no justice in the world?

    BRIAN

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    Waldo on 14 Sep 2007 #

    Didn’t Rod the Mod have both single and album at the top at the same time both here and in the US – to wit: “Maggie May/Reason to Believe” and “Every Picture tells a story”? If so, would this not have been between the Beatles and Lennie and Dianne?

    Nevertheless, a raised bat for “Welcome Home”. If Brian can get a message to Dianne, I’m sure she’d be delighted.

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    brian on 14 Sep 2007 #

    Its well known that at least here in the UK that Peters & lee were the first act to hold the no 1 singles and albums chart at the same time since the Beatles, Dianne also told me and its been mentioned a few times on TV as well. In the US it might be different, dunno…..but its a fact they were the first UK act to do this since the Beatles anyway.

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    brian on 16 Sep 2007 #

    I wonder if you lot also know that peters and lee are not even the real sir names of Lennie or Dianne? BUT Lenard sargent and Dianne littlehales….hmmmmm sargent & littlehales doesn’t sound right though does it. Also their act was “lennie peters and Melody” when they first got together. Ive no idea why Melody was chosen as a name. They won 7 or 8 opp knocks and none exsist now….

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    Marcello Carlin on 17 Sep 2007 #

    I knew about Littlehales but not about Sargent. I agree they were right not to go with that billing; makes them sound like a Windsor Davies and Don Estelle kind of deal.

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    brian on 17 Sep 2007 #

    Do you all know Lennie has a few single flops pre-peters & lee? He had “for a lifetime”, “let the tears begin”, “stranger in paradise” and just found “here we go again” from 1970! He has an LP in 1981 called “unforgettable” but isn’t eally all that good without Dianne.

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    Erithian on 18 Sep 2007 #

    Brian/Waldo – on a quick check Peters and Lee appear to have been the 5th case of an act having the UK number 1 album and single simultaneously in the 70s. First was George Harrison (My Sweet Lord/All Things Must Pass), then Rod as Waldo mentioned earlier, and T Rex did it twice, with Telegram Sam/Electric Warrior and Metal Guru/Bolan Boogie.

    In the latter case Marc nearly replaced himself at the top of the album charts, as the reissued “My People Were Fair…” from Tyrannosaurus Rex days had been at the top a fortnight before. What a major star we lost 30 years ago last Sunday.

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    Marcello Carlin on 18 Sep 2007 #

    Yes, Victor the Giraffe is still sadly missed…

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    brian on 18 Sep 2007 #

    yes I know they were not the only act to have consecutive no 1s in the LP and single charts at the same time, but they are the first in the UK since the Beatles to do this.

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    Marcello Carlin on 1 Oct 2007 #

    While routinely leafing through Guinness I came across the unlikely info that Lennie Peters was Charlie Watts’ uncle. Can’t quite see it myself.

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    brian on 1 Oct 2007 #

    yes, Ive known that info for a while and it is weird to think isn’t it!

    BRIAN

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    Waldo on 4 Oct 2007 #

    Are you sure that’s not the other way round?!

    Patrick Cargill was the uncle of Surrey and England paceman Robin Jackman, btw. I’m sure you were all twitching to know that…

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    Billy Smart on 15 Dec 2007 #

    Brian will be pleased to see that Peters & Lee’s appearance on ‘The Tommy Cooper Hour’ is now available on DVD.

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    brian on 7 Jan 2008 #

    what..when…were…..what do they do on this DVD in case I have it already….can you say more?????

    BRIAN

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    Billy Smart on 7 Jan 2008 #

    The complete Thames series from 1973 to 1975. A review of it that I saw mentioned that Peters & Lee are amongst the special guest performers. I couldn’t tell you what they perform, though.

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    brian on 26 Apr 2008 #

    poor old peters & lee, they are often forgotton.

    BRIAN

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    Mike on 13 Mar 2009 #

    Lennie and Dianne appeared a lot on the Des Oconnor show too.
    Oh how I miss the Fox

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    wichita lineman on 15 Oct 2009 #

    Two Popular acts for the (presumably quite reasonable) price of one:

    http://www.priceandlee.org/pricelee101_027.htm

    heartwarming, isn’t it?

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    Snif on 16 Oct 2009 #

    The “A Brief History” bit on that site is worth reading – Rick Price comes across as the Adrian Mole of Pop in parts (although there’d be plenty of other contenders for that roles), but his candid honesty makes for a change.

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    BRIAN on 21 Jul 2010 #

    Dianne and Rick have sent me a copy of the peters and lee story from 1975 with comedy sketches and songs and guest acts on, very ITV!

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    punctum on 17 Jul 2011 #

    TPL gets to Peters and Lee, or possibly vice versa: http://nobilliards.blogspot.com/2011/07/peters-and-lee-we-can-make-it.html

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    Paul Barton on 6 Nov 2013 #

    LONDON NIGHT OUT: Featuring Peters and Lee, Jerry Stevens, Tammy Jones (1980)

    Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this?

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