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	<title>Comments on: THE BEATLES - &#8220;The Ballad Of John And Yoko&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this. The list was great. I still love Lennon, though I generally agree with most of what was said in this article. I also got a laugh reading the one regarding the Plastic Ono Band's record. "Like, whoa, that's deep".
I also thought that the use of the word "voyeurism" was clever and interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this. The list was great. I still love Lennon, though I generally agree with most of what was said in this article. I also got a laugh reading the one regarding the Plastic Ono Band&#8217;s record. &#8220;Like, whoa, that&#8217;s deep&#8221;.<br />
I also thought that the use of the word &#8220;voyeurism&#8221; was clever and interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam! Photos i send on e-mail. 
Green</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam! Photos i send on e-mail.<br />
Green</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lucy! Photo I received! Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Waldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eloquently put there, Adam, but I disagree. "Ballad" for me underpins the very phonyness of Lennon on his own. It dovetailed, of course, into the dreadful "Imagine", in which John warbled on about no possessions, whilst seated at a grand piano on his estate in Surrey. A working class zero, methinks.

No excuse for shooting the bugger, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eloquently put there, Adam, but I disagree. &#8220;Ballad&#8221; for me underpins the very phonyness of Lennon on his own. It dovetailed, of course, into the dreadful &#8220;Imagine&#8221;, in which John warbled on about no possessions, whilst seated at a grand piano on his estate in Surrey. A working class zero, methinks.</p>
<p>No excuse for shooting the bugger, though.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you all know fuck-all. Ballad and Yellow Submarine are what the Beatles were all about. Get Back is too wanky to be considered a good song</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Grout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Grout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Produced by BEATLES</description>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 05:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first heard "Instant Karma" I was sure it was a Beatles song; when I first heard "Ballad of John &#38; Yoko" I had no idea it was a Beatles song. (Of course, when I first heard Steam's &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6oAUQRSol8" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye"&lt;/A&gt; I thought it was the Beatles too, so I'm not a reliable witness.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first heard &#8220;Instant Karma&#8221; I was sure it was a Beatles song; when I first heard &#8220;Ballad of John &amp; Yoko&#8221; I had no idea it was a Beatles song. (Of course, when I first heard Steam&#8217;s <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6oAUQRSol8" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6oAUQRSol8&amp;referer=');">&#8220;Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye&#8221;</a> I thought it was the Beatles too, so I&#8217;m not a reliable witness.)</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Casino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Casino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Creque Alley" is an excellent point, Erithian - VERY similar to "John and Yoko" in being a jaunty recounting of their story.  However, I do think there's still a difference, in that I suspect many more of those consuming the later song were &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; familiar with the story, whereas "Creque Alley" is an intro course.  I could be wrong, though.

As for Eminem/Slim Shady/Marshall, etc - yeah, that "different characters" thing was getting pushed, but in my experience it was mostly offered as a defense for offensive comments or what have you ("Oh, I'm in character as Slim Shady...") - certainly not something that connected the audience more strongly to the audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Creque Alley&#8221; is an excellent point, Erithian - VERY similar to &#8220;John and Yoko&#8221; in being a jaunty recounting of their story.  However, I do think there&#8217;s still a difference, in that I suspect many more of those consuming the later song were <i>already</i> familiar with the story, whereas &#8220;Creque Alley&#8221; is an intro course.  I could be wrong, though.</p>
<p>As for Eminem/Slim Shady/Marshall, etc - yeah, that &#8220;different characters&#8221; thing was getting pushed, but in my experience it was mostly offered as a defense for offensive comments or what have you (&#8221;Oh, I&#8217;m in character as Slim Shady&#8230;&#8221;) - certainly not something that connected the audience more strongly to the audience.</p>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha tom plz not to undermine my otmness! 'instant karma' = 'sing for the moment', 'give peace a chance' = 'the real slim shady' (edge to lennon on BOTH COUNTS there!)(that's right BOTH counts!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha tom plz not to undermine my otmness! &#8216;instant karma&#8217; = &#8217;sing for the moment&#8217;, &#8216;give peace a chance&#8217; = &#8216;the real slim shady&#8217; (edge to lennon on BOTH COUNTS there!)(that&#8217;s right BOTH counts!)</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we shouldn't forget (it wasn't a number one but predated "John and Yoko" by a couple of years) the Mamas and the Papas' wonderful "Creeque Alley".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we shouldn&#8217;t forget (it wasn&#8217;t a number one but predated &#8220;John and Yoko&#8221; by a couple of years) the Mamas and the Papas&#8217; wonderful &#8220;Creeque Alley&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Records which are essentially about the artists themselves – interesting category.  Much of Robbie Williams’ output for several years can be interpreted as “funny how things work out, eh Gary?”  Many a rap record is a bulletin from the rapper’s life (and death, in the case of “I’ll Be Missing You”, which stands as a mawkish number in itself but becomes truly nauseating when you think of how much money the singer made out of the subject).  And I suppose “I Will Survive” benefits from a knowledge of the singer’s story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Records which are essentially about the artists themselves – interesting category.  Much of Robbie Williams’ output for several years can be interpreted as “funny how things work out, eh Gary?”  Many a rap record is a bulletin from the rapper’s life (and death, in the case of “I’ll Be Missing You”, which stands as a mawkish number in itself but becomes truly nauseating when you think of how much money the singer made out of the subject).  And I suppose “I Will Survive” benefits from a knowledge of the singer’s story.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wrt Eminem - he had this big thing going on with "Slim Shady" as a character/archetype ("looks like there's a Slim Shady in all of us") and Eminem and Marshall as different characters, blah blah, it all got very circituitous and kind of boring eventually but it's partly the answer to your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrt Eminem - he had this big thing going on with &#8220;Slim Shady&#8221; as a character/archetype (&#8221;looks like there&#8217;s a Slim Shady in all of us&#8221;) and Eminem and Marshall as different characters, blah blah, it all got very circituitous and kind of boring eventually but it&#8217;s partly the answer to your question.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Again, how much did this big shift matter, chartwise, if it takes three decades for anybody to again enchant the public with a bouncy recapitulation of well-known factoids?&lt;/i&gt;

In the case of British number one singles, less than a year ("Back Home").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Again, how much did this big shift matter, chartwise, if it takes three decades for anybody to again enchant the public with a bouncy recapitulation of well-known factoids?</i></p>
<p>In the case of British number one singles, less than a year (&#8221;Back Home&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Casino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Casino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, that link should be to http://www.ummagurau.com/writing/academic/eminem.htm , I seem to have bungled my A HREF tag...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, that link should be to <a href="http://www.ummagurau.com/writing/academic/eminem.htm" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.ummagurau.com/writing/academic/eminem.htm?referer=');">http://www.ummagurau.com/writing/academic/eminem.htm</a> , I seem to have bungled my A HREF tag&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Casino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Casino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful posts, pink lord.  A minor thread I'd like to pick up: combining your point about Lennon's inside-joke tendency as a lyricist with Tom's point about the glorified MySpace posting, and Blount ends up being OTM regarding &lt;A&gt;Eminem"&#62;Eminem&lt;/A&gt; - in the 30+ years between this song and the string of "Real Slim Shady," "Stan," and "Without Me," was there &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; another #1 so dependent on a knowledge of the performer's biography?  "John and Yoko" and "Without Me" may be catchy, yes ("Without Me" certainly moreso), but lyrically, they are deeply self-involved pieces to which it seems rather difficult to relate.  (Or, as I put it in the old paper I just linked: "What exactly is the appeal of riding down the highway and singing along to someone repeating 'Hi! My name is… Slim Shady!' if one's name does not happen to, in fact, &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; Slim Shady?")

This kind of thing can only happen when the performer has truly crossed the line into being a superstar, an omnipresent cultural figure.  In Eminem's case he pulled this off partly by it being his goal from day one - since all of his produced work was explicitly about him, you could get caught up on the main biographical talking points pretty fast.  But for "John and Yoko" to make any sense, it has to be literally true: the men from the press &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; following them around, and the listening public was hanging on every printed word.  In other words, "John and Yoko" going #1 may be a final, astounding testament to just how fucking big the Beatles were.  Not in the sense that their fanbase was so huge that it would send anything they put out to the top of the charts (see "Strawberry Fields") - but in the sense that they were so inescapable as celebrities that a song cleverly (?) restating recent facts about one of their members would be something relevant and pleasurable.

And I may be verging into &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; obvious territory here, but I think this all plays up how the perceived role and place of a rock star had changed in the wake of the Beatle era.  Can you imagine Brian Epstein or any other proper business type letting this sort of lyric (even without the swear) through in 1964?  The Beatles weren't even supposed to let on that they were &lt;i&gt;married&lt;/i&gt;, let alone the details of their sordid romps around Europe.  ("Oh, where do you go to, my Yoko...?")  It's easy to point to "Help!" or "Nowhere Man" and repeat the tired cliche that here, here is the spot where pop first entered the nascent stages of being "confessional" -  but you need "John and Yoko" at the other end of the story, the proof that there actually &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a change afoot, and probably not for the better.  Again, how much did this big shift matter, chartwise, if it takes three decades for anybody to again enchant the public with a bouncy recapitulation of well-known factoids?

(&lt;i&gt;Plastic Ono Band&lt;/i&gt; aside, McCartney ends up coming off much better for sticking to the original plan of writing charming songs that don't Mean much to the singer or his fans.... )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful posts, pink lord.  A minor thread I&#8217;d like to pick up: combining your point about Lennon&#8217;s inside-joke tendency as a lyricist with Tom&#8217;s point about the glorified MySpace posting, and Blount ends up being OTM regarding <a>Eminem&#8221;&gt;Eminem</a> - in the 30+ years between this song and the string of &#8220;Real Slim Shady,&#8221; &#8220;Stan,&#8221; and &#8220;Without Me,&#8221; was there <i>ever</i> another #1 so dependent on a knowledge of the performer&#8217;s biography?  &#8220;John and Yoko&#8221; and &#8220;Without Me&#8221; may be catchy, yes (&#8221;Without Me&#8221; certainly moreso), but lyrically, they are deeply self-involved pieces to which it seems rather difficult to relate.  (Or, as I put it in the old paper I just linked: &#8220;What exactly is the appeal of riding down the highway and singing along to someone repeating &#8216;Hi! My name is… Slim Shady!&#8217; if one&#8217;s name does not happen to, in fact, <i>be</i> Slim Shady?&#8221;)</p>
<p>This kind of thing can only happen when the performer has truly crossed the line into being a superstar, an omnipresent cultural figure.  In Eminem&#8217;s case he pulled this off partly by it being his goal from day one - since all of his produced work was explicitly about him, you could get caught up on the main biographical talking points pretty fast.  But for &#8220;John and Yoko&#8221; to make any sense, it has to be literally true: the men from the press <i>were</i> following them around, and the listening public was hanging on every printed word.  In other words, &#8220;John and Yoko&#8221; going #1 may be a final, astounding testament to just how fucking big the Beatles were.  Not in the sense that their fanbase was so huge that it would send anything they put out to the top of the charts (see &#8220;Strawberry Fields&#8221;) - but in the sense that they were so inescapable as celebrities that a song cleverly (?) restating recent facts about one of their members would be something relevant and pleasurable.</p>
<p>And I may be verging into <i>really</i> obvious territory here, but I think this all plays up how the perceived role and place of a rock star had changed in the wake of the Beatle era.  Can you imagine Brian Epstein or any other proper business type letting this sort of lyric (even without the swear) through in 1964?  The Beatles weren&#8217;t even supposed to let on that they were <i>married</i>, let alone the details of their sordid romps around Europe.  (&#8221;Oh, where do you go to, my Yoko&#8230;?&#8221;)  It&#8217;s easy to point to &#8220;Help!&#8221; or &#8220;Nowhere Man&#8221; and repeat the tired cliche that here, here is the spot where pop first entered the nascent stages of being &#8220;confessional&#8221; -  but you need &#8220;John and Yoko&#8221; at the other end of the story, the proof that there actually <i>was</i> a change afoot, and probably not for the better.  Again, how much did this big shift matter, chartwise, if it takes three decades for anybody to again enchant the public with a bouncy recapitulation of well-known factoids?</p>
<p>(<i>Plastic Ono Band</i> aside, McCartney ends up coming off much better for sticking to the original plan of writing charming songs that don&#8217;t Mean much to the singer or his fans&#8230;. )</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, marvel at the alacrity with which the likes of Tommy Roe, Rolf Harris and Elvis returned to the upper echelons of the charts in post-Beatles '69 as though they had never happened.</description>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL at the bit about Jesus having had a harder time of it.  The first analysis I ever read of this period of the Beatles’ career, before I’d even heard this song, was that “Lennon looked like becoming the first superstar to be destroyed by public ridicule” – i.e. not a scandal, not a drugs bust, but looking like two gurus in drag was going to bring him down.

Anyway, to return to Tom’s first sentence above, this is “the Beatles’ last number one”.  It’s worth stepping back a moment here to look around and see just how enormously different the pop music landscape was at this point to the way it was seven years earlier on the eve of their first release.  Music had gone in so many directions unimaginable in 1962, and almost every act in the chart in 1969 had been in some way inspired or influenced by the Beatles.  As someone who just missed out on experiencing that era, I’m amazed by the fact there were only, say, three years between “From Me To You” and “Tomorrow Never Knows”, just a few years between Dylan’s first album and “Like a Rolling Stone”, between the Grease era and the hippy era, between the Shadows and Black Sabbath.  Has pop or any other form of music ever developed so radically and so quickly at any other time?  And what was behind it – did the drugs work, or was it the complex Sixties social development of which music was just a part?  Listening to something as modern-sounding as the Pretty Things or Them developing from the blues in 1964-65, and leading on to US garage rock, would all this have happened anyway without the Beat Boom or did the Beatles influence the whole thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL at the bit about Jesus having had a harder time of it.  The first analysis I ever read of this period of the Beatles’ career, before I’d even heard this song, was that “Lennon looked like becoming the first superstar to be destroyed by public ridicule” – i.e. not a scandal, not a drugs bust, but looking like two gurus in drag was going to bring him down.</p>
<p>Anyway, to return to Tom’s first sentence above, this is “the Beatles’ last number one”.  It’s worth stepping back a moment here to look around and see just how enormously different the pop music landscape was at this point to the way it was seven years earlier on the eve of their first release.  Music had gone in so many directions unimaginable in 1962, and almost every act in the chart in 1969 had been in some way inspired or influenced by the Beatles.  As someone who just missed out on experiencing that era, I’m amazed by the fact there were only, say, three years between “From Me To You” and “Tomorrow Never Knows”, just a few years between Dylan’s first album and “Like a Rolling Stone”, between the Grease era and the hippy era, between the Shadows and Black Sabbath.  Has pop or any other form of music ever developed so radically and so quickly at any other time?  And what was behind it – did the drugs work, or was it the complex Sixties social development of which music was just a part?  Listening to something as modern-sounding as the Pretty Things or Them developing from the blues in 1964-65, and leading on to US garage rock, would all this have happened anyway without the Beat Boom or did the Beatles influence the whole thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;i’m not sure if i ever heard the free jazz jam on side one of “life w.the lions” f.john stevens and john tchicai — but i bet marcello has! is it any good?&lt;/i&gt;

Sort of Britpop Sonny &#38; Linda Sharrock for the first twenty minutes or so (i.e. Lulu to Sharrock's Aretha) then Stevens and Tchicai storm in towards the end and, er, wipe the floor with the other two.</description>
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<p>Sort of Britpop Sonny &amp; Linda Sharrock for the first twenty minutes or so (i.e. Lulu to Sharrock&#8217;s Aretha) then Stevens and Tchicai storm in towards the end and, er, wipe the floor with the other two.</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ballad = rec.14 april rel.30 may -- v.fast session v.fast release 

however i think life w.the lions (which documents the miscarriage) = rec.AFTER ballad yet rel.before (=2 may), in which case an even faster release (the point being that the "unfinished" LPs were uncrafted verite snapshots or something) 

i have to say that -- while lennon-ono material veers v.wildly across the quality spectrum (as ditto work by the others) -- i still find the entire break-up era more fascinating than failure... ie i somewhat buy into the concept-art idea of "emotional map", esp.the way it punches across from chartpop and protoprog into a fairly celebral array of good and bad art and music avant-gardes... except to read it well you have to look at EVERYTHING (which obv Popular is not well set-up to do) 

my teen interest in this stuff is certainly a major route into WIRE for me, and what i wanted to do with it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ballad = rec.14 april rel.30 may &#8212; v.fast session v.fast release </p>
<p>however i think life w.the lions (which documents the miscarriage) = rec.AFTER ballad yet rel.before (=2 may), in which case an even faster release (the point being that the &#8220;unfinished&#8221; LPs were uncrafted verite snapshots or something) </p>
<p>i have to say that &#8212; while lennon-ono material veers v.wildly across the quality spectrum (as ditto work by the others) &#8212; i still find the entire break-up era more fascinating than failure&#8230; ie i somewhat buy into the concept-art idea of &#8220;emotional map&#8221;, esp.the way it punches across from chartpop and protoprog into a fairly celebral array of good and bad art and music avant-gardes&#8230; except to read it well you have to look at EVERYTHING (which obv Popular is not well set-up to do) </p>
<p>my teen interest in this stuff is certainly a major route into WIRE for me, and what i wanted to do with it</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My list of background info is entirely taken from the song lyrics!</description>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also worth adding to tom's list of background info: yoko had had a miscarriage :(</description>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>remembers asterisk -- i haven't explained this very well i don't think; how the private joke works is that various conceptual art moves (adopted from new york via yoko) allow the artist to treat the documentation of ANYTHING however random as "valid" (cf "unfinished music no.1 -- two virgins") ; so that pop = avant-garde = found sound = high art symphony = some tossed-off bit of bad political rock --- none less "valid" than another, bcz even the "bad political rock" is an emotional map of "where the lennons are at" (cf "unfinished music no.2 -- life with the lions", which is exactly contemporaneous w."ballad of john and yoko")

anyway the private joke aspect is that john is if anything even MORE judgmental about what's good and what's not in this era: bcz of course "it's valid" doesn't mean "it's good", but to prejudge based on the apparent form was to be a "hung-up square" (or "rockist" as it is now known) 

i'm not sure if i ever heard the free jazz jam on side one of "life w.the lions" f.john stevens and john tchicai -- but i bet marcello has! is it any good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remembers asterisk &#8212; i haven&#8217;t explained this very well i don&#8217;t think; how the private joke works is that various conceptual art moves (adopted from new york via yoko) allow the artist to treat the documentation of ANYTHING however random as &#8220;valid&#8221; (cf &#8220;unfinished music no.1 &#8212; two virgins&#8221;) ; so that pop = avant-garde = found sound = high art symphony = some tossed-off bit of bad political rock &#8212; none less &#8220;valid&#8221; than another, bcz even the &#8220;bad political rock&#8221; is an emotional map of &#8220;where the lennons are at&#8221; (cf &#8220;unfinished music no.2 &#8212; life with the lions&#8221;, which is exactly contemporaneous w.&#8221;ballad of john and yoko&#8221;)</p>
<p>anyway the private joke aspect is that john is if anything even MORE judgmental about what&#8217;s good and what&#8217;s not in this era: bcz of course &#8220;it&#8217;s valid&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;it&#8217;s good&#8221;, but to prejudge based on the apparent form was to be a &#8220;hung-up square&#8221; (or &#8220;rockist&#8221; as it is now known) </p>
<p>i&#8217;m not sure if i ever heard the free jazz jam on side one of &#8220;life w.the lions&#8221; f.john stevens and john tchicai &#8212; but i bet marcello has! is it any good?</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm not sure of the dates exactly -- i mean i could look em up except I'M ON THE NET so that's YOUR JOB -- but somewhere soon lennon conducted his legendary interview with jann wenner in which he repudiated the beatles and established the idea (and a lot of the content) of the ROCK CANON: which seems (to him) to have meant casting aside fun throwaway tunefulness and embracing sour meaningful "bluesiness" (and rock-crit and counter-cultural orthodoxy mostly tumbled after him in this) (BUBBLEGUM GUILT as a growing-up moment for a generation -- and in the long run a v.bad thing, tho at the time probably unavoidable) (he also hammers sgt pepper and epstein's managerial control -- in both cases i think very disingenuously, casting himself as the victim i seriously doubt he was) 

the problem being that he (not to mention rock) needed "fun throwaway tunefulness" as a mode to get his own best songs ambivalent enough (i think there's actually more jokiness in his solo work than comes across -- but very often it's kind of a private joke at the expense of the listener, which gets very tired very quickly)*; he can still write very pretty melodies eg i'm fond of "oh yoko" and "oh my love", but the content and intent of both is fairly yucky if you listen to words (which i mostly don't luckily) 

also there's something interestingly pathological and contradictory about someone rejecting the conventions of effective popcraft in the name of bluesy rawness and truth, at the same time he's so relentlessly machine-processing his own natural voice -- and plus insisting on working with SPECTOR 

(yoko's gallery and conceptual artwork is way more deft [and just funny] around this date than lennon's, tho it too gets increasingly infected by lennon's sense of political [or let's say pseudo-political] inadequacy -- haha he was always the hippie to her protopunk)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not sure of the dates exactly &#8212; i mean i could look em up except I&#8217;M ON THE NET so that&#8217;s YOUR JOB &#8212; but somewhere soon lennon conducted his legendary interview with jann wenner in which he repudiated the beatles and established the idea (and a lot of the content) of the ROCK CANON: which seems (to him) to have meant casting aside fun throwaway tunefulness and embracing sour meaningful &#8220;bluesiness&#8221; (and rock-crit and counter-cultural orthodoxy mostly tumbled after him in this) (BUBBLEGUM GUILT as a growing-up moment for a generation &#8212; and in the long run a v.bad thing, tho at the time probably unavoidable) (he also hammers sgt pepper and epstein&#8217;s managerial control &#8212; in both cases i think very disingenuously, casting himself as the victim i seriously doubt he was) </p>
<p>the problem being that he (not to mention rock) needed &#8220;fun throwaway tunefulness&#8221; as a mode to get his own best songs ambivalent enough (i think there&#8217;s actually more jokiness in his solo work than comes across &#8212; but very often it&#8217;s kind of a private joke at the expense of the listener, which gets very tired very quickly)*; he can still write very pretty melodies eg i&#8217;m fond of &#8220;oh yoko&#8221; and &#8220;oh my love&#8221;, but the content and intent of both is fairly yucky if you listen to words (which i mostly don&#8217;t luckily) </p>
<p>also there&#8217;s something interestingly pathological and contradictory about someone rejecting the conventions of effective popcraft in the name of bluesy rawness and truth, at the same time he&#8217;s so relentlessly machine-processing his own natural voice &#8212; and plus insisting on working with SPECTOR </p>
<p>(yoko&#8217;s gallery and conceptual artwork is way more deft [and just funny] around this date than lennon&#8217;s, tho it too gets increasingly infected by lennon&#8217;s sense of political [or let's say pseudo-political] inadequacy &#8212; haha he was always the hippie to her protopunk)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can well imagine that 'Long And Winding Road' might have been a Number One in the UK, had it ever been issued as a single here. Although it might not have. I'd put down 'All You Need Is Love' as their worst chart-topper, personally.
As I've said ad nauseam when the Beatles have cropped up here, I was a kid when I got to know this via cassette. I thought this was a jolly little song, but didn't pay a lot of attention to the lyrical content, not that I'd have understood it anyway. It was several years before I even knew what it was called. 

Without working through the whole discography, I can't recall offhand an earlier use of heavy echo on John's vocal - but it's really just a continuation of John's fondness for concealing his voice which he'd been doing since about 1966, be it through multi-tracking, phasing or just mixing. I can grant you one piece of production trivia though; this was their first stereo 45 in Britain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can well imagine that &#8216;Long And Winding Road&#8217; might have been a Number One in the UK, had it ever been issued as a single here. Although it might not have. I&#8217;d put down &#8216;All You Need Is Love&#8217; as their worst chart-topper, personally.<br />
As I&#8217;ve said ad nauseam when the Beatles have cropped up here, I was a kid when I got to know this via cassette. I thought this was a jolly little song, but didn&#8217;t pay a lot of attention to the lyrical content, not that I&#8217;d have understood it anyway. It was several years before I even knew what it was called. </p>
<p>Without working through the whole discography, I can&#8217;t recall offhand an earlier use of heavy echo on John&#8217;s vocal - but it&#8217;s really just a continuation of John&#8217;s fondness for concealing his voice which he&#8217;d been doing since about 1966, be it through multi-tracking, phasing or just mixing. I can grant you one piece of production trivia though; this was their first stereo 45 in Britain.</p>
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		<title>By: wwolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what young kids make of this.  The early boy/girl Beatle songs are as close to a universal language as pop music has; this, by contrast, with its ragged production and cryptic description of an insular world, must be baffling to a kid just starting to listen to the band.

Was this the first use of the bathroom echo effect on John's voice?  If so, it is an occasion to be mourned, since it managed to make nearly unlistenable my favorite rock and roll voice.  (When he started imitating David Bowie's phrasing a few years later, that didn't help, either.)

The annoying production effect aside, my favorite aspect of this single is the harmony singing of John and Paul.  The Beatles did so many things so very well, it's easy to overlook how wonderful their harmonies were, almost without fail.  Paul's re-introduction of his "Lady Madonna" voice, pitched at an odd harmonic interval to John's melody, and with Paul's own touch of impishness in his delivery - all of that adds up to what is probably the most enjoyable part of the record for me at this late date.

On the down side, apart from what others have mentioned, I'd point out John's lead guitar.  I enjoy what he did on "Get Back," but here he sounds an awful lot like the lead guitar player on the Bonzo's "Canyons of Your Mind."  (They *meant* to be funny, of course - I don't think John did.)

Having said all that, I'd still choose "The Long and Winding Road" (a.k.a., "The Long and Lawrence Welk") as the band's weakest #1, had that single done as well in the UK as it did in the States.  Drippy melody, bombastic production, and lyrics that don't make sense leave me grasping for anything to recommend on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what young kids make of this.  The early boy/girl Beatle songs are as close to a universal language as pop music has; this, by contrast, with its ragged production and cryptic description of an insular world, must be baffling to a kid just starting to listen to the band.</p>
<p>Was this the first use of the bathroom echo effect on John&#8217;s voice?  If so, it is an occasion to be mourned, since it managed to make nearly unlistenable my favorite rock and roll voice.  (When he started imitating David Bowie&#8217;s phrasing a few years later, that didn&#8217;t help, either.)</p>
<p>The annoying production effect aside, my favorite aspect of this single is the harmony singing of John and Paul.  The Beatles did so many things so very well, it&#8217;s easy to overlook how wonderful their harmonies were, almost without fail.  Paul&#8217;s re-introduction of his &#8220;Lady Madonna&#8221; voice, pitched at an odd harmonic interval to John&#8217;s melody, and with Paul&#8217;s own touch of impishness in his delivery - all of that adds up to what is probably the most enjoyable part of the record for me at this late date.</p>
<p>On the down side, apart from what others have mentioned, I&#8217;d point out John&#8217;s lead guitar.  I enjoy what he did on &#8220;Get Back,&#8221; but here he sounds an awful lot like the lead guitar player on the Bonzo&#8217;s &#8220;Canyons of Your Mind.&#8221;  (They *meant* to be funny, of course - I don&#8217;t think John did.)</p>
<p>Having said all that, I&#8217;d still choose &#8220;The Long and Winding Road&#8221; (a.k.a., &#8220;The Long and Lawrence Welk&#8221;) as the band&#8217;s weakest #1, had that single done as well in the UK as it did in the States.  Drippy melody, bombastic production, and lyrics that don&#8217;t make sense leave me grasping for anything to recommend on that one.</p>
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