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	<title>Comments on: MARVIN GAYE - &#8220;I Heard It Through The Grapevine&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DJ Punctum</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/09/marvin-gaye-i-heard-it-through-the-grapevine/#comment-502326</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Punctum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...for me that was the point where they teetered into self-parody.  Lots of reviews at the time of the "it was very nice of Norman to allow the Temptations to appear on their own record" variety.

On a not entirely separate note, has anyone else heard Marc Rapson's pretty stunning dub remix of "Grapevine"?  I'm absolutely sure that had the 12-inch single existed back then Whitfield would have jumped straight in and done an extended mix, and this is quite fantastic...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;for me that was the point where they teetered into self-parody.  Lots of reviews at the time of the &#8220;it was very nice of Norman to allow the Temptations to appear on their own record&#8221; variety.</p>
<p>On a not entirely separate note, has anyone else heard Marc Rapson&#8217;s pretty stunning dub remix of &#8220;Grapevine&#8221;?  I&#8217;m absolutely sure that had the 12-inch single existed back then Whitfield would have jumped straight in and done an extended mix, and this is quite fantastic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. Norman Whitfield: see also the remarkable &lt;i&gt;Masterpiece&lt;/i&gt;, his last album with The Temptations - although in truth the Tempts barely get a look-in, leading certain wags of the day to dub them "the Norman Whitfield Chorale".  As annoying as that sidelining might have been to the Tempts at the time, what remains is a marvellous piece of symphonic soul indulgence, particularly on the 13 minute near-instrumental title track and the seminal underground gay dance classic "Law Of The Land".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. Norman Whitfield: see also the remarkable <i>Masterpiece</i>, his last album with The Temptations - although in truth the Tempts barely get a look-in, leading certain wags of the day to dub them &#8220;the Norman Whitfield Chorale&#8221;.  As annoying as that sidelining might have been to the Tempts at the time, what remains is a marvellous piece of symphonic soul indulgence, particularly on the 13 minute near-instrumental title track and the seminal underground gay dance classic &#8220;Law Of The Land&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed yes - funny we should be discussing the syndrum right now on the Ring My Bell thread.  Now there (i.e. Rose Royce) was a case where that sound enhanced the record rather than dominating it, and what a fantastic song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed yes - funny we should be discussing the syndrum right now on the Ring My Bell thread.  Now there (i.e. Rose Royce) was a case where that sound enhanced the record rather than dominating it, and what a fantastic song.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Punctum</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Punctum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, on "Love Don't Live Here Anymore," the most subtle and emotional use of the syndrum in pop I can think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, on &#8220;Love Don&#8217;t Live Here Anymore,&#8221; the most subtle and emotional use of the syndrum in pop I can think of.</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/09/marvin-gaye-i-heard-it-through-the-grapevine/#comment-502148</link>
		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norman Whitfield R.I.P.  This and "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" for starters - wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norman Whitfield R.I.P.  This and &#8220;Papa Was A Rolling Stone&#8221; for starters - wow.</p>
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		<title>By: marian amos</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/09/marvin-gaye-i-heard-it-through-the-grapevine/#comment-261544</link>
		<dc:creator>marian amos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did anyone make an instumental that you know of?</description>
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		<title>By: intothefireuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>intothefireuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvins ultra smooth effortless delivery is what seals it for me. That and the psuedo tribal rhythm behind the intro and chorus. It is though so familiar now it is easy to overlook just how good it really is. Of course at the time of its release Gaye was planning to edge Motown in a more overtly politically conscious direction possibly hastened by the death of MLK. This would be combined with elongated, lusher orchestral arrangements which would in turn pave the way for 'Seventies soul' - but we'll get to that in a few years time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvins ultra smooth effortless delivery is what seals it for me. That and the psuedo tribal rhythm behind the intro and chorus. It is though so familiar now it is easy to overlook just how good it really is. Of course at the time of its release Gaye was planning to edge Motown in a more overtly politically conscious direction possibly hastened by the death of MLK. This would be combined with elongated, lusher orchestral arrangements which would in turn pave the way for &#8216;Seventies soul&#8217; - but we&#8217;ll get to that in a few years time.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh No It's Dadaismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh No It's Dadaismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 13:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;are there enough nixon era ‘motown x “dazed and confused”‘ epics to fill a cd-r?&lt;/i&gt;

Rare Earth's entire career surely?</description>
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<p>Rare Earth&#8217;s entire career surely?</p>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/09/marvin-gaye-i-heard-it-through-the-grapevine/#comment-35169</link>
		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was the ccr potentially in 'response' to vanilla fudge's 'keep me hanging on'? are there enough nixon era 'motown x "dazed and confused"' epics to fill a cd-r?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was the ccr potentially in &#8216;response&#8217; to vanilla fudge&#8217;s &#8216;keep me hanging on&#8217;? are there enough nixon era &#8216;motown x &#8220;dazed and confused&#8221;&#8216; epics to fill a cd-r?</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/09/marvin-gaye-i-heard-it-through-the-grapevine/#comment-35132</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or awesomely ghastly.</description>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/09/marvin-gaye-i-heard-it-through-the-grapevine/#comment-35101</link>
		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i flip-flop between 'this is ghastly/this is awesome' re: the ccr version all the time</description>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And so I turned on the television late last night and the first person I saw on the screen was ... Gladys Knight.  

She still has my vote.  Must hear the Slits.

(Anyone remember the eleven-minute Creedence Clearwater Revival version?  No?  It's just as well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so I turned on the television late last night and the first person I saw on the screen was &#8230; Gladys Knight.  </p>
<p>She still has my vote.  Must hear the Slits.</p>
<p>(Anyone remember the eleven-minute Creedence Clearwater Revival version?  No?  It&#8217;s just as well.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In expectation of this coming up, I actually bought a Marvin Gaye best-of because I thought it rather remiss of me not to own this record. I was sort of worried about the whole saturation thing too because I wasn't there at the time, and I've never known of this as anything other than an acknowledged classic - the "To Be Or Not To Be" comparison is a very apt one. I was eight when it was back in the Top 10 thanks to that jeans advert and I remember the raisins too (raisins, grapevine - do you see what they did there?!) to the extent that I dimly recall watching a mock-rockumentary about the California Raisins. 

When I try to put all that aside, though, it stands up pretty well. I'm inclined to agree that the intro is the most dramatic part of all, shuffling in but still introducing tension. The other moment I'd like to commend is "Losing *YOU* would end my life you see," precisely because it doesn't sound even remotely contrived, though it obviously is. 

BTW, Gladys Knight's version only got to 47 in the UK. I know I have heard it, but I don't really remember what it sounded like. Never cared for the Slits though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In expectation of this coming up, I actually bought a Marvin Gaye best-of because I thought it rather remiss of me not to own this record. I was sort of worried about the whole saturation thing too because I wasn&#8217;t there at the time, and I&#8217;ve never known of this as anything other than an acknowledged classic - the &#8220;To Be Or Not To Be&#8221; comparison is a very apt one. I was eight when it was back in the Top 10 thanks to that jeans advert and I remember the raisins too (raisins, grapevine - do you see what they did there?!) to the extent that I dimly recall watching a mock-rockumentary about the California Raisins. </p>
<p>When I try to put all that aside, though, it stands up pretty well. I&#8217;m inclined to agree that the intro is the most dramatic part of all, shuffling in but still introducing tension. The other moment I&#8217;d like to commend is &#8220;Losing *YOU* would end my life you see,&#8221; precisely because it doesn&#8217;t sound even remotely contrived, though it obviously is. </p>
<p>BTW, Gladys Knight&#8217;s version only got to 47 in the UK. I know I have heard it, but I don&#8217;t really remember what it sounded like. Never cared for the Slits though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably shameful admission: "Grapevine" is the only Slits I know! I mostly associate it with Matt DC's Club Seal night. (I think I once heard two tracks off 'Cut' but the mood wasn't right and I didn't enjoy them)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably shameful admission: &#8220;Grapevine&#8221; is the only Slits I know! I mostly associate it with Matt DC&#8217;s Club Seal night. (I think I once heard two tracks off &#8216;Cut&#8217; but the mood wasn&#8217;t right and I didn&#8217;t enjoy them)</p>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can't say/wasn't there obv but it definitely seems like it'd slide in beside "white rabbit" very well - foreboding tone well established on the american hit parade by this point since at least 'fwiw', maybe rooted in 'eve of destruction' being such a smash, maybe (MAYBE) residue/heirs to 'dead teenager' songs of early 60s? (by this point there were a lot of dead teenagers obv).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t say/wasn&#8217;t there obv but it definitely seems like it&#8217;d slide in beside &#8220;white rabbit&#8221; very well - foreboding tone well established on the american hit parade by this point since at least &#8216;fwiw&#8217;, maybe rooted in &#8216;eve of destruction&#8217; being such a smash, maybe (MAYBE) residue/heirs to &#8216;dead teenager&#8217; songs of early 60s? (by this point there were a lot of dead teenagers obv).</p>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the old Slits, and I don't think I was irritated by their "Heard It Through The Grapevine" when I first heard it so much as I was bored. But in retrospect it marked the transition to my not loving them and from the band going from inventive, surprising, sharp-witted, and mocking to sentimental quasi-mystical "tribal" clomp blomp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the old Slits, and I don&#8217;t think I was irritated by their &#8220;Heard It Through The Grapevine&#8221; when I first heard it so much as I was bored. But in retrospect it marked the transition to my not loving them and from the band going from inventive, surprising, sharp-witted, and mocking to sentimental quasi-mystical &#8220;tribal&#8221; clomp blomp.</p>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wwolfe raises an interesting question of how the song would have stood out or fit in if it had been issued the year it was recorded, 1967. I'd guess it would have fit fine. I can't imagine that it would have sounded &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; menacing and frightening than "White Rabbit," and it wouldn't have had any of the latter's frightening (to me) cultural overtones. I don't want to say that "Summer of Love" was a mere advertising slogan based on a line by the not-all-that-hip John Phillips, but it hardly conveys the year in music. I'm sure I'd have been stunned and scared by the first Velvets album if I'd heard it. But it wouldn't have felt different &lt;i&gt;in kind&lt;/i&gt; from the aforementioned "White Rabbit" or from "The End" by the Doors, or for that matter from all those Yardbirds-derived garage rockers from the likes of the Count Five and the Electric Prunes ("Get Me to the World On Time" and "Too Much to Dream" sounded real brutal in their time, banging their way out of the radio), given that the Velvets themselves were basically Yardbirds-derived garage rockers. Years later I'd hear for the first time tracks recorded back in 1966 by an obscure San Francisco psychedelic band called The Great Society, and was excited by how much the rhythms and the guitar playing reminded me of the Velvet Underground. The Great Society recorded the original versions of "White Rabbit" and "Somebody to Love," which the lead singer took with her when she joined Jefferson Airplane the next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wwolfe raises an interesting question of how the song would have stood out or fit in if it had been issued the year it was recorded, 1967. I&#8217;d guess it would have fit fine. I can&#8217;t imagine that it would have sounded <i>more</i> menacing and frightening than &#8220;White Rabbit,&#8221; and it wouldn&#8217;t have had any of the latter&#8217;s frightening (to me) cultural overtones. I don&#8217;t want to say that &#8220;Summer of Love&#8221; was a mere advertising slogan based on a line by the not-all-that-hip John Phillips, but it hardly conveys the year in music. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d have been stunned and scared by the first Velvets album if I&#8217;d heard it. But it wouldn&#8217;t have felt different <i>in kind</i> from the aforementioned &#8220;White Rabbit&#8221; or from &#8220;The End&#8221; by the Doors, or for that matter from all those Yardbirds-derived garage rockers from the likes of the Count Five and the Electric Prunes (&#8221;Get Me to the World On Time&#8221; and &#8220;Too Much to Dream&#8221; sounded real brutal in their time, banging their way out of the radio), given that the Velvets themselves were basically Yardbirds-derived garage rockers. Years later I&#8217;d hear for the first time tracks recorded back in 1966 by an obscure San Francisco psychedelic band called The Great Society, and was excited by how much the rhythms and the guitar playing reminded me of the Velvet Underground. The Great Society recorded the original versions of &#8220;White Rabbit&#8221; and &#8220;Somebody to Love,&#8221; which the lead singer took with her when she joined Jefferson Airplane the next year.</p>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 19:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mod OTM as to the shadowy paranoia of the Gaye version, though that's why I prefer the Gaye--esp. adore the creepily eerie keyboard, comes from ghostland. Fwiw, I think guitar players Tom &#38; John Fogerty get a sound that's almost as skin-tingling in the Creedence version, which when edited down to three minutes I love even more than the Gladys Knight. (And I loathe the Slits' version, but that's a different story.)

Song hate hasn't shown up on this thread, at least not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot in the world. "Grapevine" became a boomer nostalgia song at the time of &lt;i&gt;The Big Chill&lt;/i&gt;, hence all those TV commercials. When I think of what I "feel" in relation to that song, it's really what I &lt;i&gt;recall&lt;/i&gt; feeling, since so much oversaturation makes it hard for the music to come across with any attributes anymore. It's to great songs as "To be or not to be" is to great phrases lifted from soliloquies: you forget that the words actually mean something. I myself am particularly oversaturated because I walk for exercise, and when I want to keep up a good clip I'll lock myself into a rhythm from a song, and my tempo song for flat surfaces is the Gaye version of "Heard It Through the Grapevine." I don't have a walkman, so this is all in my head, but my mind plays that song every day, not for any feeling or meaning but just to keep the pace.

Real good Douglas Wolk piece from a few years back about the challenge in covering the song. &lt;a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/music/9920,wolk,5868,22.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Just three lines in, you have to leap up an octave in the middle of a phrase and nail a crucial word of the lyric."&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mod OTM as to the shadowy paranoia of the Gaye version, though that&#8217;s why I prefer the Gaye&#8211;esp. adore the creepily eerie keyboard, comes from ghostland. Fwiw, I think guitar players Tom &amp; John Fogerty get a sound that&#8217;s almost as skin-tingling in the Creedence version, which when edited down to three minutes I love even more than the Gladys Knight. (And I loathe the Slits&#8217; version, but that&#8217;s a different story.)</p>
<p>Song hate hasn&#8217;t shown up on this thread, at least not yet, but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if there&#8217;s a lot in the world. &#8220;Grapevine&#8221; became a boomer nostalgia song at the time of <i>The Big Chill</i>, hence all those TV commercials. When I think of what I &#8220;feel&#8221; in relation to that song, it&#8217;s really what I <i>recall</i> feeling, since so much oversaturation makes it hard for the music to come across with any attributes anymore. It&#8217;s to great songs as &#8220;To be or not to be&#8221; is to great phrases lifted from soliloquies: you forget that the words actually mean something. I myself am particularly oversaturated because I walk for exercise, and when I want to keep up a good clip I&#8217;ll lock myself into a rhythm from a song, and my tempo song for flat surfaces is the Gaye version of &#8220;Heard It Through the Grapevine.&#8221; I don&#8217;t have a walkman, so this is all in my head, but my mind plays that song every day, not for any feeling or meaning but just to keep the pace.</p>
<p>Real good Douglas Wolk piece from a few years back about the challenge in covering the song. <a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/music/9920,wolk,5868,22.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.villagevoice.com/music/9920_wolk_5868_22.html?referer=');">&#8220;Just three lines in, you have to leap up an octave in the middle of a phrase and nail a crucial word of the lyric.&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that the Four Tops did a raisin commercial (in the US, at least)--in the eighties?--that would also link Motown with the shrivelled grape industry.  I can't remember what song they sang, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that the Four Tops did a raisin commercial (in the US, at least)&#8211;in the eighties?&#8211;that would also link Motown with the shrivelled grape industry.  I can&#8217;t remember what song they sang, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dadaismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dadaismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm ashamed to admit I don't think I've ever heard the Gladys Knight version! But, I think I'm not alone among UK residents in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m ashamed to admit I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard the Gladys Knight version! But, I think I&#8217;m not alone among UK residents in that.</p>
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		<title>By: wwolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and re: the execrable California raisins commercial: the singer was Buddy Miles, ex-Hendrix drummer and mild turn-of-the decade hitmaker with "Them Changes."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and re: the execrable California raisins commercial: the singer was Buddy Miles, ex-Hendrix drummer and mild turn-of-the decade hitmaker with &#8220;Them Changes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: wwolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember hearing Gladys Knight's version when it was a hit, but I have no memory of hearing Marvin Gaye's version then.  (Odd, since I think it was #1 in the States for eight or nine weeks.)  Which is maybe why Gaye's version still sounds - I'm not sure what the word is: foreign? strange? unexpected?  Or maybe that's just a mark of how original his performance is.  (Ditto Norman Whitfield's arrangement: since this was recorded in 1967 - and wouldn't this have felt as out of place had it been released in the Summer of Love as did the first Velvet Underground album at that time? - this seems like the blue print for all the great Whitfield productions to come.)

Thinking about it, maybe it's most emotionally accurate for me to think of the two versions as two different songs.  I know as a matter of fact that's not true, but that's how it feels to me when I hear them.  Every version I've ever heard of "Yesterday," to pick an obvious example, sounds like a different interpretation of the same song; Gladys and Marvin sound like they're singing two very different songs.  Maybe Dave Marsh's take on Marvin's version gives a key to why by placing Marvin's version in a racial/historical context;  I found Marvin's version more interesting once I thought of it in those terms.  By comparison, Gladys's version seems wholely about the emotions of her specific situation.  Given how well she expresses those emotions (with major help from the Pips and the Funk Brothers), that's plenty for me.

One aspect of the two competing versions that I think tips in Marvin's favor: the backing female singers do seem to "taunt" Gaye, which suits the mood and message of his version, but - as fine as they are - it could be argued that the all-male Pips lending her support seems to contradict Gladys's message of betrayal at the hands of her low-down dirty dog of a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember hearing Gladys Knight&#8217;s version when it was a hit, but I have no memory of hearing Marvin Gaye&#8217;s version then.  (Odd, since I think it was #1 in the States for eight or nine weeks.)  Which is maybe why Gaye&#8217;s version still sounds - I&#8217;m not sure what the word is: foreign? strange? unexpected?  Or maybe that&#8217;s just a mark of how original his performance is.  (Ditto Norman Whitfield&#8217;s arrangement: since this was recorded in 1967 - and wouldn&#8217;t this have felt as out of place had it been released in the Summer of Love as did the first Velvet Underground album at that time? - this seems like the blue print for all the great Whitfield productions to come.)</p>
<p>Thinking about it, maybe it&#8217;s most emotionally accurate for me to think of the two versions as two different songs.  I know as a matter of fact that&#8217;s not true, but that&#8217;s how it feels to me when I hear them.  Every version I&#8217;ve ever heard of &#8220;Yesterday,&#8221; to pick an obvious example, sounds like a different interpretation of the same song; Gladys and Marvin sound like they&#8217;re singing two very different songs.  Maybe Dave Marsh&#8217;s take on Marvin&#8217;s version gives a key to why by placing Marvin&#8217;s version in a racial/historical context;  I found Marvin&#8217;s version more interesting once I thought of it in those terms.  By comparison, Gladys&#8217;s version seems wholely about the emotions of her specific situation.  Given how well she expresses those emotions (with major help from the Pips and the Funk Brothers), that&#8217;s plenty for me.</p>
<p>One aspect of the two competing versions that I think tips in Marvin&#8217;s favor: the backing female singers do seem to &#8220;taunt&#8221; Gaye, which suits the mood and message of his version, but - as fine as they are - it could be argued that the all-male Pips lending her support seems to contradict Gladys&#8217;s message of betrayal at the hands of her low-down dirty dog of a man.</p>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mod soooo otm re: 'a paranoid imagination turning an everyday breakup into a widespread conspiracy theory.'</description>
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		<title>By: jeff w</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin and Tim H have just said exactly what I was about to say. (Somehow I missed this post popping up on my LJ Friends page, assuming it did at all.)

From the wtf 'clunk' at the start of the record (a serendipitous by-product of the dustbin drum sound you get on much mid-late 60s Motown?) and the potentous electric piano riff, through the build of additional instruments to that wail of anguish on the horns, the intro sets the scene perfectly for Gaye's battle not to "lose it".

But what follows is just as good.  An easy 10 for me.  (I don't think I've heard the Gladys Knight version, but I like The Slits' take too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin and Tim H have just said exactly what I was about to say. (Somehow I missed this post popping up on my LJ Friends page, assuming it did at all.)</p>
<p>From the wtf &#8216;clunk&#8217; at the start of the record (a serendipitous by-product of the dustbin drum sound you get on much mid-late 60s Motown?) and the potentous electric piano riff, through the build of additional instruments to that wail of anguish on the horns, the intro sets the scene perfectly for Gaye&#8217;s battle not to &#8220;lose it&#8221;.</p>
<p>But what follows is just as good.  An easy 10 for me.  (I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve heard the Gladys Knight version, but I like The Slits&#8217; take too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hopkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favourite bit of this record is the first fifteen secods or so, up to and including the "oooh". It seems to me to anticipate the sound and feel of seventies adult soul but more importantly it sounds completely fantastic.

The main body of the record, as fine as it is, feels more like a very good soul record of its time, not that there's anything wrong with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favourite bit of this record is the first fifteen secods or so, up to and including the &#8220;oooh&#8221;. It seems to me to anticipate the sound and feel of seventies adult soul but more importantly it sounds completely fantastic.</p>
<p>The main body of the record, as fine as it is, feels more like a very good soul record of its time, not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with that.</p>
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