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Aug 06

Why We Hate Emo Kids (Apparently)

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hitler_emoI’ve long been a little shamefaced that this mean-spirited tirade is the most-read thing I’ve ever written (co-written to be exact): not that it wasn’t a true reflection of what I felt but I’d prefer it if one of my more, er, generous pieces was the one that hooked the punters in.

BUT the new look comments function means that the article has been given a second life with the addition of – mostly spluttering and hostile – reader feedback. And it’s turned up something interesting – a sociological fact that I had got too old and out of touch to realise. The description of indie kids in the piece was US-centric anyway, and is out of date now: we had in mind Death Cab fans conducting secret feuds on artofthemix.com, not Kaiser Chiefs-loving Brits. But the traits are clearly still recognisable to googling readers, and recognisable as “emos”. And some apparently “indies” hate “emos”, quite passionately.

“OI YOUR GETTING INDIE KIDS MIXED UP WITH EMOS IN SOME OF YOUR POINTS… 1) indie kids do NOT wear black rimmed glasses… emo DO!
2) indie kids are not all bis, emos are!”
(“Becka”)

and

“i think yu should get ur fuckin facts straight before u make urself look even worse. u dont have it right.

emo= (ex.) Where’s my mascara? and i’m a man. (or) i wear size one jeans and i have a penis. (or) hey do you want to come over so we can cut eachother’s wrists!?!? sounds like great fun!

like someone said before (and they’re one of the smart ones – a REAL indie) indie kids aren’t mainstream and dress different and in my opinion better than otyher people. they don’t do what everyone else in the world is doing and dont give a shit what other people think.

(plus they listen to the best music – all alt. and indie)” (“Wtf!?!?!?”)

Parsing the comments I can theorise that indie stands for what it always has – a defensive sense of individuality with no real fixed values. The despised emos, through an indie lens, are hateful wrist-slashers. Of course we don’t know where the commenters are coming from, or how recent this opposition is, or the relative size of the warring camps, or what they might or might not unite against (aside from me getting things wrong). But I’m finding it pretty fascinating to read.

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  1. 361
    Lucy Hudson on 30 May 2007 #

    Im an emo and im proud 2 b emo so if has got anythin 2 say, say it 2 my face. Just becuz im emo duznt mean im depressed, it duznt mean i cut myself becuz i dont. I dont judge people 4 th way they r or 4 th way they luk.

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    Tom on 30 May 2007 #

    Can we say it to your typeface?

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    who gives a fuck? on 31 May 2007 #

    lol, i lov you Lucy Hudson

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    strange people on 6 Jun 2007 #

    why do u give a shit? u say emos have no lives when u come on here trashing them dumb arses

  5. 365
    strange people on 7 Jun 2007 #

    nvm, i get ya now

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    who gives a fuck? on 7 Jun 2007 #

    hmm? o…k… in answer to your question:

    i ‘give a shit’ because she does not (or claims that she does not) “judge people 4 th way they r or 4 th way they luk”

    if there were more people in this world like her i might not want to leave it quite so badly

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    who gives a fuck? on 18 Jun 2007 #

    it’s weird, my bf has been labeled “emo” but he doesn’t fit any part of stereotype “emo” behavior, so it goes to show you how easily people mislabel us

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    emo kid on 27 Jun 2007 #

    emo kids are just the same as any other kids part from they just dress diffrent am n emo n i dont see the point of this page its up to people if they want to h8t emo kids but then agian its up to them if they dont for instants my big brother h8tz emo kids but he does not mind them some times it just depends on what way you like to call your self an emo xxxxxxxxxxx

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    ashleigh on 8 Jul 2007 #

    awsome emo

    i am an emo and think lhat others should have a cow and piss of because i we are what we are i know we are different but i dont care !!!! (i am only 13 and enjoy my chemical romance)

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    I'm emo, and i smile on 19 Jul 2007 #

    hey, i’m 13 too, and My Chemical Romance rocks (and so do a crap load of other emo bands)

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    random on 11 Aug 2007 #

    christ.

    i have black and blue hair, several piercings, a couple of tattoos.
    i like dark clothes and make up.
    i listen mainly to metal and grunge.
    i’ve been depressed for 4 years and self-harmed for 2.

    but i had never been suicidal until i read these posts.

    thanks for help me become a complete and utter stereotype, it’s much appreciated

    i’m now off to pinch my skin, then grind my nails together til the skin breaks and the blood flows nicely

    oh what fun

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    katie on 2 Oct 2007 #

    with age comes realisation that the over-looked intensity of this matter is futile, with first hand experience you may realise, later on in life that all sub-cultures such as emos, chavs, indies etc are primarily the same. Dont think of me as an adult with a wisdom to judge this matter, i’m 15 and it was only probably this time last year that i was dating my first emo, i loved it, i thought he was gorgous and cool and all that but i grew out of it and in hinesight its stupid. i skipped from clique to clique and now im in the situation where i get all of them, my friends consist of mature… well i say that, mostly boys, some are chavs, some are skater, indie, emo and goth. and we all get on perfectly fine, its how we were meant to exist among each other.
    i can understand that each want to justify there own clique because i’ve been there, but what you have to realise is that what these people are saying is purely a small minded stereotype, and by retaliating your the same. i love breaking the mold; im a drum n bassing ‘grunger’. apparently.

  13. 373
    ovalliack on 5 Oct 2007 #

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  14. 374
    ovalliack on 8 Oct 2007 #

    Привет.
    Продаю персональный сертификат WebMoney за $99.

    Можете проверить: WMID 322973398779 Redfern

    Всё чисто, не одной жалоб. Сделан на утерянные документы. Всё законно.
    Если нужно, то есть сертификаты ещё.
    Стучацо в личную почту на Вебмани.

    Это не спам. Не пишите на мой WMID жалобы в арбитраж Вебмани.

  15. 376
    tasha on 5 Nov 2007 #

    COOL! like the pic!

  16. 377
    xxscene_girlxx on 11 Nov 2007 #

    OMG i was just looking for a website to get my haircut and i found this YOU ARE ALL freakin stupid to be labbaling ppl like this.OH and the ppl that said scene kids were the ones to cut themselfs and are the posers are TOTTALY wrong scene means to follow music go to shows have the “emo” hairstyle and to be your own persom i am a scene girl i go to shows i have scene.emo friends WE ARE NOT POSERS AND DO NOT CUT ARE WRIST!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU SHOUILD ALL FUCKIN FUCK OFF. PLEASE!!!

  17. 378
    Al Ewing on 11 Nov 2007 #

    http://www.myhaircuts.com/emo-haircuts.shtml

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    CarsmileSteve on 12 Nov 2007 #

    hehehe, although surely only 2.5 of those are even vaguely emo…

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    Balder (A Concerned DAD) on 23 Nov 2007 #

    What give you EMO’s the right to destroy?
    I am a dad to 5 kids and we are now close to lose them all, becourse 1 did turn self-harm emo!!
    My youngest is 1 and the oldest is 15 years.
    How do i and my wife stop this?
    We did never do things wrong, also we are not even the mittle class, we can’t afford a card becourse all of his stealing and destroying things!!
    Tell me the good part of being a selfharm EMO? please i would like to know how they/you think! as i want to keep the fam!!

  20. 381
    Lee on 25 Nov 2007 #

    I get the sense that people in Scotland really despise emos, just by reading some of these comments, and by things Scottish friends have told me.

    Pardon me if this will offend, but I think “indies” and “emos” are equally despised, for some of the same reasons. Both seem to want to prove how far removed they are from mainstream culture, and yet both conform to the standards of their respective inner circles, from what they wear to what they listen to, to their views and opinions (or so it seems, anyway). And the unique culture they put so much pride in has now become a mainstream culture (at least in urban communities). Once you know how you can package and sell an image and lifestyle, you know it has hit the mainstream at least in a small way.

    Feel free to disagree, feel free to slag me off – I don’t have a personal vendetta against indies or emos, I am just commenting on what I see (which is what I presume the author of Why We Hate Indie (now Emo) Kids was doing too). Appearances can decieve, and I may be misinformed.

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    Sarahjane on 1 Jan 2008 #

    Your a fucking guy thats been sad enough to slag off emos ? I think you are probably some guy wearing a reebok trackie drinking cheap booze with your burbary scarf and hat on [ned] only thing is, i dont know where you woudl get a computer from if your a ned, so here comes the conclustion that your a cheap free loader just out there to slag other people off, get this fucking removed off this site, or it will be reported!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Al Ewing on 1 Jan 2008 #

    Reported… to the EMO POLICE!

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    grncomfyconverse on 29 Jan 2008 #

    Haha very funny…NOT

    You must be a prep.. right.?

    Just because your emo doesn’t mean its all about cutting yourself. It gives you a sence of direction to be who you want to be. I hate to tell you but half the music you listen to would be considered “emo or scream-o.” I guess your one of those guys that go around acting like your better then everyone else.After reading this I may just have to sit in a corner and cut myself.

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    Al Ewing on 29 Jan 2008 #

    Examples of ‘scream-o’ to thread plz. I nominate ‘How Much Is This Fish’ by Scooter.

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    Josh on 30 Jan 2008 #

    Can’t people accept that there’s always going to be emo’s/indie’s out there no matter how hard you try. Are they really effecting your life that badly that you feel the need to sit here and basically discriminate against them? If you left it and let them get on with life then there’d be no problem but there’s always the person who’ll sit and slag them yet aren’t able to take any stick about themselves.

    Get over the fact that emo’s/indie’s are around and accept them as a different type of human than you are, after all that’s all they are.

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    grncomfyconverse on 31 Jan 2008 #

    If your emo it doesn’t mean your not human or different at all.
    You both breath, eat, and shower.
    Yeah you may have different point of views on life but who doesn’t.
    No one really gives a care about what you label them as its just a name.
    Im EMO are you going to do anything about that..?
    Its not like when I get home from school I go cry because some kid took my lunch or knocked my books out of my hand. Or even told me that my style is shit.
    IT JUST DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY..!!!!!

    and one more thing just because Im emo, I don’t have a live journal.
    Its all about the MYSPACE. :p

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    emohater on 17 Feb 2008 #

    swedish:

    Alla som är emot emo’s gör en sol (#) framför sitt namn för det är typ bara ljuset som kan ta dom. De färgar tillomed håret blondt o tar över!Skicka detta till alla i din kontaktlista, till och med emo’s(om du nu har någon i din kontaktlista)!!

    dom som vägrar ha en sol är EMO’s!!!

    Ett exempel räcker:
    1. mitt på dagen kan det bli svart som natten när det kommer ett gäng emos!

    english version:

    put a sun (#) in front of your msn-name if you hate emo’s, send this message to everyone! every site, every community! everywhere! make this message spread over the whole world!

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    triggerxr on 29 Feb 2008 #

    I am not emo. I have friends who are though. They dont cut or hate themselves and they are straight. So what they wear black. Doesnt everyone? So if i wear a black shirt once in my life im emo? Wow. what a great society. Ive been called emo because i wear black. but i also wear orange and white. What to classify me as now….so hard. We dont get on Gangstas” while they sit around and deal drugs and look like theyre going to mug someone and we dont get on preps for making everythign about them and being some type of barbie doll and seeing the world as puppys and rainbows. Get it straight. We are not all the same so stop trying to say we are.

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    Laura on 8 Mar 2008 #

    Haha very funny…NOT

    You must be a prep…right.?

    Just because your emo doesn’t mean its all about cutting yourself. It gives you a sence of direction to be who you want to be. I hate to tell you but half the music you listen to would be considered “emo or scream-o.” I guess your one of those guys that go around acting like your better then everyone else.
    so get a life cuz u dont have one if ur complaining about amos.

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