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Aug 06

Why We Hate Emo Kids (Apparently)

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hitler_emoI’ve long been a little shamefaced that this mean-spirited tirade is the most-read thing I’ve ever written (co-written to be exact): not that it wasn’t a true reflection of what I felt but I’d prefer it if one of my more, er, generous pieces was the one that hooked the punters in.

BUT the new look comments function means that the article has been given a second life with the addition of – mostly spluttering and hostile – reader feedback. And it’s turned up something interesting – a sociological fact that I had got too old and out of touch to realise. The description of indie kids in the piece was US-centric anyway, and is out of date now: we had in mind Death Cab fans conducting secret feuds on artofthemix.com, not Kaiser Chiefs-loving Brits. But the traits are clearly still recognisable to googling readers, and recognisable as “emos”. And some apparently “indies” hate “emos”, quite passionately.

“OI YOUR GETTING INDIE KIDS MIXED UP WITH EMOS IN SOME OF YOUR POINTS… 1) indie kids do NOT wear black rimmed glasses… emo DO!
2) indie kids are not all bis, emos are!”
(“Becka”)

and

“i think yu should get ur fuckin facts straight before u make urself look even worse. u dont have it right.

emo= (ex.) Where’s my mascara? and i’m a man. (or) i wear size one jeans and i have a penis. (or) hey do you want to come over so we can cut eachother’s wrists!?!? sounds like great fun!

like someone said before (and they’re one of the smart ones – a REAL indie) indie kids aren’t mainstream and dress different and in my opinion better than otyher people. they don’t do what everyone else in the world is doing and dont give a shit what other people think.

(plus they listen to the best music – all alt. and indie)” (“Wtf!?!?!?”)

Parsing the comments I can theorise that indie stands for what it always has – a defensive sense of individuality with no real fixed values. The despised emos, through an indie lens, are hateful wrist-slashers. Of course we don’t know where the commenters are coming from, or how recent this opposition is, or the relative size of the warring camps, or what they might or might not unite against (aside from me getting things wrong). But I’m finding it pretty fascinating to read.

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    sorry, i am TRYING not to laugh on 16 Apr 2007 #

    Molag Bal:

    your issues with sexuality and your subsequent need to demonstrate your masculinity are both highly amusing

  2. 302
    oh, the joy of cattle prods on 17 Apr 2007 #

    molag bal, i take take it you’re talking from personal experience about cattle prods.

    let me guess. it got stuck, right?

  3. 303
    who gives a fuck? on 19 Apr 2007 #

    ok, so i am really enjoying all these ppl saying what is and isn’t emo, and i’d just like to say WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT EMO IS AND ISN’T?!?!?!?! ok whatever you wanna believe emo is then go for it, but i personally don’t care in the least what ppl stereotype emo as, i know i’m emo, and i don’t care what you guys think, i’m a chronic stoner, i cut myself, hell yeah i’ve attempted suicide, i wear mascara (i’m a girl though, so i’m not sure if it counts), sure i’m bi, but like i said, who gives a fuck? as far as i’m concerned your steroetyping is actually pretty accurate.
    well, i’m gonna go make out with girls and cut some more
    see ya

  4. 304
    tubs on 19 Apr 2007 #

    Would somebody explain to me what the bloody hell emo is. Actually please dont, Ill never get that time back again. These micky mousers dont half take it all a bit seriously, and a bet my bollocks it all sounds a bit wanky!
    God I feel really old now, thanks for that.
    And by the way what does “own your ass” mean? sounds a bit racy to me.
    Going to watch Jim’ll fix it now, is he an emu?

  5. 305
    Al Ewing on 19 Apr 2007 #

    You can’t keeping claiming that you’re bisexual for the coolness factor and then go round calling everybody a fag, emo kids. You have to pick one.

  6. 306
    who gives a fuck? on 20 Apr 2007 #

    being bi is not cool, it’s just how i am

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    sanity is for the boring on 20 Apr 2007 #

    “at the end of the day, people like to have something to hate. emos are easy targets, as people can mock them without being accused of the various ‘isms’. chavs used to top the Most Hated list, until the socio-economic status of most chavs became an issue. to be a chav then became pitiable rather than contemptible.

    for the most part, emos are white, middle class, and of both genders, so their critics are fairly safe from any widespread backlash. it could be argued, due to the fact that many emos identify themselves as bisexual, that a motivating factor in the derision of emos is homophobia.

    however, if the comments posted by emos on this site are any indication, the current insult favoured by emos is ‘faget’, so presumably homophobia is equally prevalent on both sides.”

    nice comment. shame everyone ignored it

  8. 308
    Al Ewing on 20 Apr 2007 #

    Yeah, sanity IS for the boring, maaaaaaan.

    I mean, unless you’ve got a severe mental illness or something. I imagine sanity would be quite nice then. BUT NOT COOL!

  9. 309
    sanity is for the boring on 20 Apr 2007 #

    yep. you’re definitely sane.

  10. 310
    anne-marie on 21 Apr 2007 #

    if ur happy and u no it slit ur wrists
    if ya happy and u no it slit ur wristes
    if ur happy and u du it and u relly want 2 show it
    if ya happy and u no it slit ya wrists!!!!!!!

    is dis da way 2 emo land
    every nyte i will b slittin my hand
    dreaming dreams of blood in my mouth
    ne pain will do!!!

    how much is dat knife in da window
    da 1 wiv da big silver blade
    it looks ded shinny and sharpe
    i du hope dat knife is 4 sale !!!!!!!

  11. 311
    anne-marie on 22 Apr 2007 #

    {E}emotiona
    {M}mardy
    {opptmisstic
    {S}shitheds

    hahahahahhahahahahhahahaahahahhahahah

    ye if u have anytink 2 say bout dat den bring it u bunch ov puffs xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  12. 312
    V on 22 Apr 2007 #

    If there’s one thing I’ve noticed about emos, it is of course their unrelenting optimism and cheery outlook on life.

  13. 313
    Al Ewing on 22 Apr 2007 #

    Well, compared to anne-marie, who’s probably shat out six kids in white baseball caps since she wrote that, emos seem kind of sweet and innocent to me now. Oh, I’ve taken the piss, but at least the children of emo never managed to actively make me sick the way some of the posters on the ‘anti-emo’ side have.

    Come to my arms, emo kids! I embrace thee!

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    myspace.com/kirstennichols on 25 Apr 2007 #

    yeah.
    this is pretty damn pathetic.
    say what you want about us emo kids,
    but that’s the only reason we hate people like you.
    you dont give us a chance.
    and if you did.
    by golly,
    we’re more like you than you think.
    yes, emo is a type of music.
    and why classify us by that?
    why do you preppy chodes listen to it?
    just go to school.
    listen to them.
    you’ll recognize the songs.
    + i’d rather cry then look like a desperate skank.
    im just waiting for the day that you all get overthrown.
    there’ll be a new democracy.
    this is epidemic.
    and you’ll are warned.
    keep this us and there’ll be nothing left of you.

    ♥ kirsten

    -p.s.-here’s another thing i dont quite understand.
    if SOO many preps hate emo’s,
    why are they turning into them?
    jeeze, talk about keeping your own damn identity…
    think about what you faggots are saying.
    k thanks.

  15. 315
    Al Ewing on 25 Apr 2007 #

    You were doing so well right up until you said ‘faggot’. It’s not worth keeping your own identity if your own identity can’t get through a simple modernist poem about cultural revolution without trying to bash the gays.

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    myspace.com/kirstennichols on 26 Apr 2007 #

    i tried to avoid the word.
    but it slipped out i guess.
    but at least it’s mediocre.

    ♥ kirsten

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    suicide girl on 26 Apr 2007 #

    YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID I HOPE YOU BURN IN THE FIREY PITS OF HELL! IM EMO I CUT MYSELF…YEA. BUT EMOS DO NOT GO OVER TO OTHER EMOS HOUSES AND HAVE A WRIST CUTTING PARTY. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS B4 YOU GO TALKIN BOUT MY PPL LIKE THAT. BY THE WAY ILL SEE YOU IN HELL.

    HA HA HE HE…EMO LAUGH

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    myspace.com/kirstennichols on 27 Apr 2007 #

    i used to cut…
    not my wrists tho.
    mostly on my thigh.
    but that didnt solve anything.
    i just regret it now.
    some advice to all you people.
    just dont do it.
    try writing poems :)
    it works.

    ♥ kirsten

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    EMO GURLL on 28 Apr 2007 #

    IM EMO
    EMO IS A STYLE
    IT DOESNT MEAN CUTTING URSELF
    EMOS R MISSUNDERSTOOD
    MY FRIENDS DONT KNOW IM EMO CAUSE THEY HATE EMOS
    I DONT KNOW WHY
    SO I KEEP IT A SECRET
    I DONT CUT MYSELF
    AND I THINK EMO IS JUST A STYLE
    I FEEL SORI 4 PPL WU HATE EMO CAUSE EMOS R COOOOOOOL!!!!!!!

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    myspace.com/kirstennichols on 28 Apr 2007 #

    saying that emo is cool
    is like saying prep is cool
    you’re gonna have haters on both sides.
    and if you’re friends hate what you are.
    then obviously they’ll either get used to it,
    or disown you.

    and as for emo being a style;;
    it is,
    but it’s also a way of life.

    ♥ kirsten

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    who gives a fuck? on 29 Apr 2007 #

    unfortunately most seem to disown me, but it’s all good cuz then no one really cares if i cut myself, and they’ve all actually told me that they wouldn’t be able to contain their joy if i die, but ya know what i really don’t care, and maybe their wish will come true

    i luv all the ppl that are on here leaving comments about how muh they hate emos, i love emo people, and i am an emo people

    rock on all you bi-sexual cutting stoning emos! and if anyone actually does want to have a wrist cutting party (which i have never heard of actually happening) call me

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    myspace.com/kirstennichols on 29 Apr 2007 #

    wow…
    some “friends” you have
    this just happens to be my homepage.
    just so i can see what people have to say.
    then i just usually end up talking to myself anyways.
    so what’s new?

    ♥ kirsten

  23. 323
    Helen on 1 May 2007 #

    emooooooooooooooooooos suck fucking cock! wtf is tha point of hating life?? be a chav! at least you have fun and wear decent clothes that are not just black….emoooooooooo

    =]

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    HELP on 1 May 2007 #

    dear god

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    www.myspace.com/kirstennichols on 1 May 2007 #

    *note to yourself.
    emo’s dont always wear black.
    that would be the term;
    “goth”.
    and believe it or not,
    a lot of emos like life.
    just not all of them do.

    ♥ kirsten

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    who gives a fuck? on 4 May 2007 #

    i always wear black……

    and i hate life….

    am i emo?
    jk, i know i am :(

  27. 327
    www.myspace.com/kirstennichols on 4 May 2007 #

    mmkay

    ♥ kirsten

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    who gives a fuck? on 7 May 2007 #

    i need to get a fucking life, for real…i visit this site like every few hours, omfg

    p.s. Kirsten you’re like the only one who ever leaves comments, way to stay committed

  29. 329
    crash on 7 May 2007 #

    uhm., well
    in my opinion
    (to be honest)
    i think that indies
    & so called “emo”s
    have alot in common,
    but one thing is for sure
    that they do not have in common…
    the term “emo”
    pisses me off to extremes.
    i wear black.
    i like marilyn manson.
    i used to cut myself.
    i also used to be depressed.

    & i have a whole lot more hate
    towards the motherfucking adjective “EMO”
    than i used to have for myself.
    so there.

    haveawondrousday.,
    :]

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    who gives a fuck? on 8 May 2007 #

    indie is a pathetic spin off of emo’s who don’t want to be called emo, that’s all it is ALL IT IS, a group of pathetic wimpy ppl who are afraid to be seen for waht they really are

    oh my god all you “indie” people, you need a freeking life, you dress and act emo, yet you get pissed if someone calls you emo, MY GOD

    all you indies can go fuck a tree

    i hate YOU!!!

    yeah I SAID I HATE YOU!!!

    so go play in traffic

    i’ll cry at ur funeral(i was going to say i wont cry at ur funeral, but i never stop crying, so more accurately i will cry, and i’m at a loss as how to make it insulting)

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