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	<title>Comments on: THE BEATLES - &#8220;Hey Jude&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-253322</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a wonderful song, considering it was one of Mr. Campbell's earliest compositions.</description>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-243850</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the bloody hell would someone write a whole article jsut to critisize this beautiful song.  You sir, are a wanker!</description>
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		<title>By: Lenya</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-79055</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Code for "John", rather.  *curses her typing*</description>
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		<title>By: Lenya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Brian: That's absolute rubbish.  The song "Hey, Jude" was written by Paul McCartney, in his car as he was driving to visit Cynthia and Julian to comfort them in the wake of the divorce.  The lyrics were originally "Hey, Jules," but "jude" was easier to sing because the of the 's'.

However, John &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; think that Paul was telling him to "go and get" Yoko as his love.  He figured that "Jude" was some sort of code for Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Brian: That&#8217;s absolute rubbish.  The song &#8220;Hey, Jude&#8221; was written by Paul McCartney, in his car as he was driving to visit Cynthia and Julian to comfort them in the wake of the divorce.  The lyrics were originally &#8220;Hey, Jules,&#8221; but &#8220;jude&#8221; was easier to sing because the of the &#8217;s&#8217;.</p>
<p>However, John <i>did</i> think that Paul was telling him to &#8220;go and get&#8221; Yoko as his love.  He figured that &#8220;Jude&#8221; was some sort of code for Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-31926</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY JUDE :A couple of intersting things about this tune that I just read.....

1) The hand writen lyrics ( not sure which version ) were bought by Julian Lennon at an auction of Beatles personal memorabilia. He paid 25,00.00 British Pounds for them in 1997.


2) During Lennon's lost weekend in the States he was asked if the song was written for Julian. He replied that it was written for Brian Epstein and was originally called " Gay Jew " !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY JUDE :A couple of intersting things about this tune that I just read&#8230;..</p>
<p>1) The hand writen lyrics ( not sure which version ) were bought by Julian Lennon at an auction of Beatles personal memorabilia. He paid 25,00.00 British Pounds for them in 1997.</p>
<p>2) During Lennon&#8217;s lost weekend in the States he was asked if the song was written for Julian. He replied that it was written for Brian Epstein and was originally called &#8221; Gay Jew &#8221; !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lena</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-31813</link>
		<dc:creator>Lena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 09:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, this song is an example of the Silent Generation (those born before &#38; during WWII; Boomers come afterwards, of course) talking directly to what would become Generation X; "And don't you know that it's just you?/Hey Jude, you'll do."  The Silent Generation's general faith that GenX would turn out to be okay without much help from their elders, parents, what-have-you...(for more on this, &lt;i&gt;13th Gen&lt;/i&gt; tells the whole story...)...is poignant as hell to me, as is McCartney's encouraging of himself vis a vis his own life (also fits the pattern of the Silents...) "Hey Jude, don't be afraid."  He is singing to himself as much as young Julian.

Sorry if this is obscure but I was one when this was a hit and must have heard it so many times then and only now do I hear it in a different way.  

As for being a downer:  the local 'classic rock' station here had its usual big Labor Day Weekend countdown and "Hey Jude" sounds downright merry compared to the songs just before ("Hotel California" &#38; "Stairway to Heaven") and the only song to best it, "Comfortably Numb."  (Yes, it's still a battle between Led Zep &#38; The Beatles, with the Stones somewhere in the background, and Pink Floyd at #1 again.)  But I can understand its seeming 'down' at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this song is an example of the Silent Generation (those born before &amp; during WWII; Boomers come afterwards, of course) talking directly to what would become Generation X; &#8220;And don&#8217;t you know that it&#8217;s just you?/Hey Jude, you&#8217;ll do.&#8221;  The Silent Generation&#8217;s general faith that GenX would turn out to be okay without much help from their elders, parents, what-have-you&#8230;(for more on this, <i>13th Gen</i> tells the whole story&#8230;)&#8230;is poignant as hell to me, as is McCartney&#8217;s encouraging of himself vis a vis his own life (also fits the pattern of the Silents&#8230;) &#8220;Hey Jude, don&#8217;t be afraid.&#8221;  He is singing to himself as much as young Julian.</p>
<p>Sorry if this is obscure but I was one when this was a hit and must have heard it so many times then and only now do I hear it in a different way.  </p>
<p>As for being a downer:  the local &#8216;classic rock&#8217; station here had its usual big Labor Day Weekend countdown and &#8220;Hey Jude&#8221; sounds downright merry compared to the songs just before (&#8221;Hotel California&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Stairway to Heaven&#8221;) and the only song to best it, &#8220;Comfortably Numb.&#8221;  (Yes, it&#8217;s still a battle between Led Zep &amp; The Beatles, with the Stones somewhere in the background, and Pink Floyd at #1 again.)  But I can understand its seeming &#8216;down&#8217; at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: intothefireuk</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-31617</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 09:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm chiming in late on this one. I have had very different experiences with this song. As a child I disliked it. I found it turgid, maudlin and compared to their previous output just boring - this was the first Beatles single to sound 'down' (according to my young ears) and actually was the beginning of the end of my love affair with them. I think I moved on very swiftly to The Monkees around this time. I actually don't recall the end being that long because I suspect radio DJs talked inanely over it. However as an adult re-assessing my love of the Beatles I can see it has it's merits and I even caught myself singing along to it during one of Maccas concerts - it suits that environment very well. On record though it still struggles to ignite and leaves me feeling cold. Whatever Paul's intentions are the emotion doesn't reach me. It does sound like a group in its death throes as Tom has accurately pointed out.  

'here we come, walking down the street.....................' 

ITF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m chiming in late on this one. I have had very different experiences with this song. As a child I disliked it. I found it turgid, maudlin and compared to their previous output just boring - this was the first Beatles single to sound &#8216;down&#8217; (according to my young ears) and actually was the beginning of the end of my love affair with them. I think I moved on very swiftly to The Monkees around this time. I actually don&#8217;t recall the end being that long because I suspect radio DJs talked inanely over it. However as an adult re-assessing my love of the Beatles I can see it has it&#8217;s merits and I even caught myself singing along to it during one of Maccas concerts - it suits that environment very well. On record though it still struggles to ignite and leaves me feeling cold. Whatever Paul&#8217;s intentions are the emotion doesn&#8217;t reach me. It does sound like a group in its death throes as Tom has accurately pointed out.  </p>
<p>&#8216;here we come, walking down the street&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8217; </p>
<p>ITF</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doctor Casino</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-31145</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Casino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 12:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not ten minutes ago I woke up from a dream in which - among many many other things - I got involved in a conversation about Hey Jude.  I of course attempted to draw from this thread, but got a little muddled somewhere in the discussion.  I do remember specifically wanted to come here and explain my grand theory that the two greatest lines are the two "shoulder" bits, especially the "the movement you need is on your shoulder," on the grounds that it was the most vulnerable thing Paul had ever written (????????)...   I need to spend less time on the Internet.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not ten minutes ago I woke up from a dream in which - among many many other things - I got involved in a conversation about Hey Jude.  I of course attempted to draw from this thread, but got a little muddled somewhere in the discussion.  I do remember specifically wanted to come here and explain my grand theory that the two greatest lines are the two &#8220;shoulder&#8221; bits, especially the &#8220;the movement you need is on your shoulder,&#8221; on the grounds that it was the most vulnerable thing Paul had ever written (????????)&#8230;   I need to spend less time on the Internet&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-31046</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Polythene Pam's gang</description>
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		<title>By: wwolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm in Murray the K's gang - he's the Fifth Beatle!</description>
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		<title>By: CarsmileSteve</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/the-beatles-hey-jude/#comment-30850</link>
		<dc:creator>CarsmileSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i thought you were in julia's gang?</description>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Des if you dug around a tiny bit on the site you'd see that Paul's songs have tended to do very well here - "Eleanor Rigby" is one of two singles to have got 10/10. I personally don't see the need to treat liking the Beatles as a schoolyard "ooh ooh I'm in HIS gang" fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Des if you dug around a tiny bit on the site you&#8217;d see that Paul&#8217;s songs have tended to do very well here - &#8220;Eleanor Rigby&#8221; is one of two singles to have got 10/10. I personally don&#8217;t see the need to treat liking the Beatles as a schoolyard &#8220;ooh ooh I&#8217;m in HIS gang&#8221; fight.</p>
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		<title>By: des</title>
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		<dc:creator>des</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 22:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a strange bunch of contributions. 
I've read it all now.
Actually, Hey Jude was the Beatles biggest selling single anywhere and lots of people adored it - and still do if you go to any concert from Robbie Williams to Macca himself where the refrain gets picked up. Someone did it at our wedding and it was fantastic.

What is loud and clear from all the above is the animosity Paul draws. Have you guys read any of the books about the Beatles - the people who actually worked with them? 

It's quite clear that some of you think spouting left wing politics whilst high guarantees you credibility in perpetuity, but seriously, apart from being fans, have you guys ever trying performing a Lennon song? Jeez - one note melodies sung with passion (or is that just shouting?) and collage lyrics that don't make much sense. You get bored very very quickly.

the Beatles won 17 Ivor Novello awards for songwriting. They were all Paul songs.

Good for you if you are stuck in your teenage rebellion years and really think John was some kind of saint, but I know you'd be an arse to have a pint with! I was in Liverpool recently for work and found myself, to my amusement, in Menlove Avenue where Mimi lived. It's like a flipping country estate. Working Class Hero my foot. You poor, deluded fools.

Hey Jude is genius from first to last. Revolution is Eddie Cochran slowed down with very distorted guitars and a painfully of the time lyric. It's embarrassing to listen to now. 

Get over it...the Walrus was Paul. Or...oh dear...would admitting that mean you have to completely re-evaluate your entire life as a rebel?

ha ha  

PS I actually love John's stuff but in 100 years time I know whose songs they'll be singing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a strange bunch of contributions.<br />
I&#8217;ve read it all now.<br />
Actually, Hey Jude was the Beatles biggest selling single anywhere and lots of people adored it - and still do if you go to any concert from Robbie Williams to Macca himself where the refrain gets picked up. Someone did it at our wedding and it was fantastic.</p>
<p>What is loud and clear from all the above is the animosity Paul draws. Have you guys read any of the books about the Beatles - the people who actually worked with them? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite clear that some of you think spouting left wing politics whilst high guarantees you credibility in perpetuity, but seriously, apart from being fans, have you guys ever trying performing a Lennon song? Jeez - one note melodies sung with passion (or is that just shouting?) and collage lyrics that don&#8217;t make much sense. You get bored very very quickly.</p>
<p>the Beatles won 17 Ivor Novello awards for songwriting. They were all Paul songs.</p>
<p>Good for you if you are stuck in your teenage rebellion years and really think John was some kind of saint, but I know you&#8217;d be an arse to have a pint with! I was in Liverpool recently for work and found myself, to my amusement, in Menlove Avenue where Mimi lived. It&#8217;s like a flipping country estate. Working Class Hero my foot. You poor, deluded fools.</p>
<p>Hey Jude is genius from first to last. Revolution is Eddie Cochran slowed down with very distorted guitars and a painfully of the time lyric. It&#8217;s embarrassing to listen to now. </p>
<p>Get over it&#8230;the Walrus was Paul. Or&#8230;oh dear&#8230;would admitting that mean you have to completely re-evaluate your entire life as a rebel?</p>
<p>ha ha  </p>
<p>PS I actually love John&#8217;s stuff but in 100 years time I know whose songs they&#8217;ll be singing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the thing about McCartney is that he's hugely talented and is very good at a lot of things (in the musical field I mean) but he's not always reliable in deciding how to use it. Hence his singing on that outro is, in its own right, fine - but it's not in the right place here. 'Got To Get You Into My Life' is far better, because it's a more apposite use of the technique.

Oh, and on a semi-pedantic point, they didn't exactly play 'Hey Jude' live on TV - David Frost turned up at what we'd now call the video shoot and faked it.
Which reminds me that I promised more trivia - how's about the fact that George Martin was paid £25 for the orchestral arrangement, and this massive sum of money required special authorisation from EMI? And one of the string players refused to sing along on that coda, even with the promise of a double fee. And as has been suggested before, Jimmy Webb didn't think it a coincidence that this is a second longer than 'McArthur Park' [on the original 45 - the stereo mix is actually slightly shorter].

Is this now the most-commented post, aside from Mike Sarne spam?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the thing about McCartney is that he&#8217;s hugely talented and is very good at a lot of things (in the musical field I mean) but he&#8217;s not always reliable in deciding how to use it. Hence his singing on that outro is, in its own right, fine - but it&#8217;s not in the right place here. &#8216;Got To Get You Into My Life&#8217; is far better, because it&#8217;s a more apposite use of the technique.</p>
<p>Oh, and on a semi-pedantic point, they didn&#8217;t exactly play &#8216;Hey Jude&#8217; live on TV - David Frost turned up at what we&#8217;d now call the video shoot and faked it.<br />
Which reminds me that I promised more trivia - how&#8217;s about the fact that George Martin was paid £25 for the orchestral arrangement, and this massive sum of money required special authorisation from EMI? And one of the string players refused to sing along on that coda, even with the promise of a double fee. And as has been suggested before, Jimmy Webb didn&#8217;t think it a coincidence that this is a second longer than &#8216;McArthur Park&#8217; [on the original 45 - the stereo mix is actually slightly shorter].</p>
<p>Is this now the most-commented post, aside from Mike Sarne spam?</p>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o come now martin - 'hey dude' is very probably kula shaker's best single!

somewhat echoing wwolfe and mark gamon i'm voting coda&#62;songproper - chop them in half and you're left with a dull 'let it be' precursor and an epic/bizarre powerballad take on 'flying' - it might still be garbage worth no more than a 4 but it'd be alot more fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o come now martin - &#8216;hey dude&#8217; is very probably kula shaker&#8217;s best single!</p>
<p>somewhat echoing wwolfe and mark gamon i&#8217;m voting coda&gt;songproper - chop them in half and you&#8217;re left with a dull &#8216;let it be&#8217; precursor and an epic/bizarre powerballad take on &#8216;flying&#8217; - it might still be garbage worth no more than a 4 but it&#8217;d be alot more fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Skidmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Skidmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Tom re this odd soul claim - it's not at all random, and not at all passionate. I'm rarely convinced by claims of genuine passion for studio recordings anyway. It's all chatting with the musicians and engineers and producer, then yelling into the mic. Paul McCartney seems less plausible than almost anyone for claims of passion and randomness and chaos, to be honest. Possibly more plausible than, say, the Pet Shop Boys, but less so than about 95% of pop stars ever.

I also don't at all think that is what soul is about - this was a major part of what I was saying in my old Al Green article here. I hear very little chaos and randomness in any soul records - there is the odd moment of thoughtlessness, like Otis's ludicrous and notorious live "Sock it to her tenderly" moment, but that's just a dumb improvised misstep in an otherwise thoroughly rehearsed and controlled set.

I don't think I'd have given Hey Dude as much as 4, personally - goes from 'pleasant but don't care' to tedious even before the decline into the singalong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Tom re this odd soul claim - it&#8217;s not at all random, and not at all passionate. I&#8217;m rarely convinced by claims of genuine passion for studio recordings anyway. It&#8217;s all chatting with the musicians and engineers and producer, then yelling into the mic. Paul McCartney seems less plausible than almost anyone for claims of passion and randomness and chaos, to be honest. Possibly more plausible than, say, the Pet Shop Boys, but less so than about 95% of pop stars ever.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t at all think that is what soul is about - this was a major part of what I was saying in my old Al Green article here. I hear very little chaos and randomness in any soul records - there is the odd moment of thoughtlessness, like Otis&#8217;s ludicrous and notorious live &#8220;Sock it to her tenderly&#8221; moment, but that&#8217;s just a dumb improvised misstep in an otherwise thoroughly rehearsed and controlled set.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d have given Hey Dude as much as 4, personally - goes from &#8216;pleasant but don&#8217;t care&#8217; to tedious even before the decline into the singalong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Grout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Grout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember seeing this in Minchella's in south shields (look for it, it's still there) and the effect seemed to be "Look! The beatles, after getting a bit strange, are back! and they look like the beatles again!) 

(i.e. PMac had shaved his tache off.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember seeing this in Minchella&#8217;s in south shields (look for it, it&#8217;s still there) and the effect seemed to be &#8220;Look! The beatles, after getting a bit strange, are back! and they look like the beatles again!) </p>
<p>(i.e. PMac had shaved his tache off.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit, though, that this is a bit of a blindspot for me - cf. Small Faces review, upcoming Joe Cocker write-up, god forbid the Charlatans ever get to #1 etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit, though, that this is a bit of a blindspot for me - cf. Small Faces review, upcoming Joe Cocker write-up, god forbid the Charlatans ever get to #1 etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn't agree less! It sounds to me like a really self-conscious attempt to do a bit of soul singing by someone who's confusing 'soul' with 'shouting' (like 90% of rock singers ever I grant you).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree less! It sounds to me like a really self-conscious attempt to do a bit of soul singing by someone who&#8217;s confusing &#8217;soul&#8217; with &#8217;shouting&#8217; (like 90% of rock singers ever I grant you).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going completely off-message here.

Could not care less about the song. LOVE the coda. 

Everyone loves to pick on Mccartney because A/he can be a jerk; B/he's not the holy St John what was murdered tragically and yes, we can ALL remember exactly where we were when we heard the news just like President Kennedy being killed and now John's one of the greatest Britons of all time rather than a very important rock star with a great voice who wrote some great songs and some arrant rubbish too. Just like his partner.

But:

In the late 60s, McCartney was at the peak of his vocal powers. Go back to 'Got to Get You Into My Life' and listen to the soul shouting at the end. Then listen again to 'Hey Jude'. Not the la-las, but McCartney's improvising. It's random, it's chaotic, it's packed with passion. Just like great soul singing should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going completely off-message here.</p>
<p>Could not care less about the song. LOVE the coda. </p>
<p>Everyone loves to pick on Mccartney because A/he can be a jerk; B/he&#8217;s not the holy St John what was murdered tragically and yes, we can ALL remember exactly where we were when we heard the news just like President Kennedy being killed and now John&#8217;s one of the greatest Britons of all time rather than a very important rock star with a great voice who wrote some great songs and some arrant rubbish too. Just like his partner.</p>
<p>But:</p>
<p>In the late 60s, McCartney was at the peak of his vocal powers. Go back to &#8216;Got to Get You Into My Life&#8217; and listen to the soul shouting at the end. Then listen again to &#8216;Hey Jude&#8217;. Not the la-las, but McCartney&#8217;s improvising. It&#8217;s random, it&#8217;s chaotic, it&#8217;s packed with passion. Just like great soul singing should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wwolfe: thanks for that excellent post - I still don't agree, but that perspective hadn't occurred to me and it's certainly a reason someone could like the fade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wwolfe: thanks for that excellent post - I still don&#8217;t agree, but that perspective hadn&#8217;t occurred to me and it&#8217;s certainly a reason someone could like the fade.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd give "Revolution" a 9.</description>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was discussing this debate with my sister last night, and she made an interesting observation.  She thought one factor in the great popularity of "Hey Jude" was its giving the fans exactly what they wanted: an affirmation that the Beatles would go on.  There had been so much negative publicity, and rumors of intra-group strife were running amok.  No matter how any of us felt about the drugs, Yoko, the Maharishi, or any other thing that seemed distressing in the context of the 60s (all of which would hardly raise an eyebrow these days), it was too painful to think of life without the Beatles.  I doubt that any other pop/rock performers have ever burned so deeply into the public cultural consciousness.  (It is probably not coincidental that Elvis staged his big comeback concert less than three months later.)  Considering that "Hey Jude" was actually performed live on television, it seemed to give the lie to the rumors and allayed our fear of loss for the time being.  

But such was not to be.  In retrospect, it's amazing they stayed together as long as they did after this and turned out an extraordinary album like &lt;i&gt;Abbey Road&lt;/i&gt; before it was all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was discussing this debate with my sister last night, and she made an interesting observation.  She thought one factor in the great popularity of &#8220;Hey Jude&#8221; was its giving the fans exactly what they wanted: an affirmation that the Beatles would go on.  There had been so much negative publicity, and rumors of intra-group strife were running amok.  No matter how any of us felt about the drugs, Yoko, the Maharishi, or any other thing that seemed distressing in the context of the 60s (all of which would hardly raise an eyebrow these days), it was too painful to think of life without the Beatles.  I doubt that any other pop/rock performers have ever burned so deeply into the public cultural consciousness.  (It is probably not coincidental that Elvis staged his big comeback concert less than three months later.)  Considering that &#8220;Hey Jude&#8221; was actually performed live on television, it seemed to give the lie to the rumors and allayed our fear of loss for the time being.  </p>
<p>But such was not to be.  In retrospect, it&#8217;s amazing they stayed together as long as they did after this and turned out an extraordinary album like <i>Abbey Road</i> before it was all over.</p>
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