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	<title>Comments on: MARY HOPKIN - &#8220;Those Were The Days&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-267908</link>
		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 16:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a copy of this on apple single 
apple 2 produced by paul mcCartney in 1968
those were the days and turn turn turn
its going on ebay if anyone wants it
or email me at tay4457 @ yahoo dot co dot uk

leave out the spacesthough
regards
terry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a copy of this on apple single<br />
apple 2 produced by paul mcCartney in 1968<br />
those were the days and turn turn turn<br />
its going on ebay if anyone wants it<br />
or email me at tay4457 @ yahoo dot co dot uk</p>
<p>leave out the spacesthough<br />
regards<br />
terry</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-213847</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was about 9 y/o at the time, but I remember hearing this song on the radio when my dad was getting ready for work. To this day, I still love to hear it every now &#38; then. It's the "Russian" styling I love so much. It probably has influenced the range of music I like to listen to: from classical to lo-fi &#38; electronic jazz... Thank you MaryH for the nice memory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was about 9 y/o at the time, but I remember hearing this song on the radio when my dad was getting ready for work. To this day, I still love to hear it every now &amp; then. It&#8217;s the &#8220;Russian&#8221; styling I love so much. It probably has influenced the range of music I like to listen to: from classical to lo-fi &amp; electronic jazz&#8230; Thank you MaryH for the nice memory!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Connor</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-62236</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Important &lt;b&gt;Resurrection Watch&lt;/b&gt;: just read &lt;a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n22/john01_.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this piece on Mark Thatcher in the LRB&lt;/a&gt; (subs reqd) and felt it needed adding: 

&lt;i&gt;Equatorial Guinea had the bad luck to come to independence under Macias Nguema, whose rule was so terrible that a third of the population was either killed or fled. Though he had people garrotted, buried alive and beheaded (and their heads stuck on poles), the detail that sticks in my mind is his having 150 people executed to the tune of ‘Those Were the Days, My Friend’ played over stadium loudspeakers.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Important <b>Resurrection Watch</b>: just read <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n22/john01_.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n22/john01_.html?referer=');">this piece on Mark Thatcher in the LRB</a> (subs reqd) and felt it needed adding: </p>
<p><i>Equatorial Guinea had the bad luck to come to independence under Macias Nguema, whose rule was so terrible that a third of the population was either killed or fled. Though he had people garrotted, buried alive and beheaded (and their heads stuck on poles), the detail that sticks in my mind is his having 150 people executed to the tune of ‘Those Were the Days, My Friend’ played over stadium loudspeakers.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-33831</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopkin was/is essentially a folkie at heart, though her Banquo's ghost cameo on Bowie's "Sound And Vision" a decade later is still startling.  Presumably you've got the &lt;i&gt;Those Were The Days&lt;/i&gt; Apple compilation, which is a useful reminder of how many other factors there were to her music once you get past The Hits.

A word also to Richard Hewson for his very ingenious arrangement, with different instrumentation for every verse and chorus a la Randy Newman on Peggy Lee's "Is That All There Is?" around the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopkin was/is essentially a folkie at heart, though her Banquo&#8217;s ghost cameo on Bowie&#8217;s &#8220;Sound And Vision&#8221; a decade later is still startling.  Presumably you&#8217;ve got the <i>Those Were The Days</i> Apple compilation, which is a useful reminder of how many other factors there were to her music once you get past The Hits.</p>
<p>A word also to Richard Hewson for his very ingenious arrangement, with different instrumentation for every verse and chorus a la Randy Newman on Peggy Lee&#8217;s &#8220;Is That All There Is?&#8221; around the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-33795</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When this thread started two weeks ago, I went searching for my Mary Hopkin CD.  Alas, eleven years after The Truly Big and Truly Awful Breakup, I'm still discovering what CDs went missing (surely in the hundreds) from the gigantic collection I previously had.  So I ordered a replacement that arrived yesterday, and I've been listening to it ever since.  I'd forgotten the extent of Hopkin's talents and what a lovely voice she had.  She also had a knack for trying out combinations (Jazz and folk, for example) that were quite daring back then--and they usually work.

Something dawned on me that I should have figured out twenty-years ago, namely that Hopkin's voice combined with her stylistic eclecticism suggest that she was a major influence on another unique British female singer--Kate Bush.  It's probably not coincidental that they both did covers of Donovan's "Lord of the Reedy River."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this thread started two weeks ago, I went searching for my Mary Hopkin CD.  Alas, eleven years after The Truly Big and Truly Awful Breakup, I&#8217;m still discovering what CDs went missing (surely in the hundreds) from the gigantic collection I previously had.  So I ordered a replacement that arrived yesterday, and I&#8217;ve been listening to it ever since.  I&#8217;d forgotten the extent of Hopkin&#8217;s talents and what a lovely voice she had.  She also had a knack for trying out combinations (Jazz and folk, for example) that were quite daring back then&#8211;and they usually work.</p>
<p>Something dawned on me that I should have figured out twenty-years ago, namely that Hopkin&#8217;s voice combined with her stylistic eclecticism suggest that she was a major influence on another unique British female singer&#8211;Kate Bush.  It&#8217;s probably not coincidental that they both did covers of Donovan&#8217;s &#8220;Lord of the Reedy River.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30735</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading all these comments, gosh hate is a strong emotion to have over a song! i am a Mary 'fan' and yes there are lots still around the world! I have a page dedicated to this song on my site trying to trace the origins of the melody etc. Paul McCartney heard this song and  kept it for a few years and offered it to a few other people before Mary recorded it, the Moody Blues and Donovan amongst them.
Its interesting to read/hear how other listeners interperate the lyrics, to me it is a song of youth, a young person just starting out in life, just finished college about to start work and looking back on the carefree days of youth ... I think it's a wonderful combination of a most mememorable melody and a strong lyric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading all these comments, gosh hate is a strong emotion to have over a song! i am a Mary &#8216;fan&#8217; and yes there are lots still around the world! I have a page dedicated to this song on my site trying to trace the origins of the melody etc. Paul McCartney heard this song and  kept it for a few years and offered it to a few other people before Mary recorded it, the Moody Blues and Donovan amongst them.<br />
Its interesting to read/hear how other listeners interperate the lyrics, to me it is a song of youth, a young person just starting out in life, just finished college about to start work and looking back on the carefree days of youth &#8230; I think it&#8217;s a wonderful combination of a most mememorable melody and a strong lyric.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30719</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, sorry I knackered the link in that previous post there. 

Apparently Cynthia's single was produced by Chris Norman (of Smokie "fame") and issued on his own label which could explain the limited distribution - I don't remember even seeing one at the time, but I saw the video once or twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry I knackered the link in that previous post there. </p>
<p>Apparently Cynthia&#8217;s single was produced by Chris Norman (of Smokie &#8220;fame&#8221;) and issued on his own label which could explain the limited distribution - I don&#8217;t remember even seeing one at the time, but I saw the video once or twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh and as for Mrs Lennon not being a singer: she isn’t really.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, then, she actually does have something in common with the other Mrs Lennon--and the first Mrs McCartney.

Her record must be quite rare--no copies were for sale on eBay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh and as for Mrs Lennon not being a singer: she isn’t really.</i></p>
<p>Well, then, she actually does have something in common with the other Mrs Lennon&#8211;and the first Mrs McCartney.</p>
<p>Her record must be quite rare&#8211;no copies were for sale on eBay.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30710</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as a slight update, I've just been listening to an MP3 of the original Russian version (via &lt;a href="http://www.languagehat.com/archives/002426.php" title="this post on Languagehat" rel="nofollow"&gt;). 

Oh and as for Mrs Lennon not being a singer: she isn't really. But it's hard not to admire her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a slight update, I&#8217;ve just been listening to an MP3 of the original Russian version (via <a href="http://www.languagehat.com/archives/002426.php" title="this post on Languagehat" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.languagehat.com/archives/002426.php?referer=');">). </p>
<p>Oh and as for Mrs Lennon not being a singer: she isn&#8217;t really. But it&#8217;s hard not to admire her.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30653</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really, unless you count "If I Were A Rich Man" going top ten in the Summer Of Love.

It could have been Macca jumping on the Hughie Green bandwagon though.  What a thought.  I'll leave it to others to illustrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really, unless you count &#8220;If I Were A Rich Man&#8221; going top ten in the Summer Of Love.</p>
<p>It could have been Macca jumping on the Hughie Green bandwagon though.  What a thought.  I&#8217;ll leave it to others to illustrate.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh No It's Dadaismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh No It's Dadaismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this Macca jumping on the "Fiddler On the Roof" bandwagon perhaps? Was there a "Fiddler On the Roof" bandwagon?!??!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this Macca jumping on the &#8220;Fiddler On the Roof&#8221; bandwagon perhaps? Was there a &#8220;Fiddler On the Roof&#8221; bandwagon?!??!</p>
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		<title>By: My name is Kenny</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30549</link>
		<dc:creator>My name is Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, I would agree with my good defender that my outburst was meant as mock-outrage.  However, laziness does seem a good criticism, as I am completely stymied in my attempts to come up with an actual critique:  My hate for this song is so pure I can't even explain why.  I've hated this song since I was eight, when my range of taste didn't extend farther than Garth Brooks, and I hate it now.  To be honest, I'm completely dumbfounded that people think it deserves to be defende.  You're the freaks, not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, I would agree with my good defender that my outburst was meant as mock-outrage.  However, laziness does seem a good criticism, as I am completely stymied in my attempts to come up with an actual critique:  My hate for this song is so pure I can&#8217;t even explain why.  I&#8217;ve hated this song since I was eight, when my range of taste didn&#8217;t extend farther than Garth Brooks, and I hate it now.  To be honest, I&#8217;m completely dumbfounded that people think it deserves to be defende.  You&#8217;re the freaks, not me.</p>
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		<title>By: wwolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was nine when this was a hit.  For some mystifying reason, I had a huge attraction to songs about nostalgia when I was very young - I have no idea why, since I was a happy kid.  How did I even know what nostalgia was at that age?  I couldn't have, really.  And yet I clearly remember finding this record, as well as "Try to Remember" from "The Fantasticks," major emotional events when they came on the radio.

It strikes me that I don't think I've heard this song since it was a hit back in '68.  It never gets played on oldies stations in America (or at least I've never heard it).  I think, without really ever giving it any analysis, I'd assumed over the passing years that the record was probably not so good.  Having now read Marcello's essay, and this entry, I'd like to hear the record again to find out how it sounds to me today.  I wonder if I'd feel nostalgia for the nostalgia I felt as a nine-year old.  Post-modern nostalgia: a very odd concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was nine when this was a hit.  For some mystifying reason, I had a huge attraction to songs about nostalgia when I was very young - I have no idea why, since I was a happy kid.  How did I even know what nostalgia was at that age?  I couldn&#8217;t have, really.  And yet I clearly remember finding this record, as well as &#8220;Try to Remember&#8221; from &#8220;The Fantasticks,&#8221; major emotional events when they came on the radio.</p>
<p>It strikes me that I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve heard this song since it was a hit back in &#8216;68.  It never gets played on oldies stations in America (or at least I&#8217;ve never heard it).  I think, without really ever giving it any analysis, I&#8217;d assumed over the passing years that the record was probably not so good.  Having now read Marcello&#8217;s essay, and this entry, I&#8217;d like to hear the record again to find out how it sounds to me today.  I wonder if I&#8217;d feel nostalgia for the nostalgia I felt as a nine-year old.  Post-modern nostalgia: a very odd concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel_Rf</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30484</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel_Rf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(imo)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(imo)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel_Rf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel_Rf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was pretty obvious that the comments here were displays of mock-outrage humour, not attempts at effective critique; I won't argue that this does not qualify as lazyness, but the occasional burst of flippancy in between the actual thoughtful criticism isn't something I particuarly mind, and hardly worthy of Marcello's drama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was pretty obvious that the comments here were displays of mock-outrage humour, not attempts at effective critique; I won&#8217;t argue that this does not qualify as lazyness, but the occasional burst of flippancy in between the actual thoughtful criticism isn&#8217;t something I particuarly mind, and hardly worthy of Marcello&#8217;s drama.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE PEDAGOGUE SPEAKS:

To say one likes or does not like (or, in more extreme form, "loves" or "hates") something or someone is not an argument in and of itself.  One most give some analytical explanation to support one's opinion that goes far beyond "it sucks" or, by contrast, "it's so hot," if one is to avoid saying more about oneself than about the individual or object under discussion.  And what one says about oneself in such instances is not terribly flattering.  Please bear in mind that others might reasonably hold opinions which differ from your own.

(Excerpted from Doctor Mod's class materials on "How to Write an Effective Critique")</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE PEDAGOGUE SPEAKS:</p>
<p>To say one likes or does not like (or, in more extreme form, &#8220;loves&#8221; or &#8220;hates&#8221;) something or someone is not an argument in and of itself.  One most give some analytical explanation to support one&#8217;s opinion that goes far beyond &#8220;it sucks&#8221; or, by contrast, &#8220;it&#8217;s so hot,&#8221; if one is to avoid saying more about oneself than about the individual or object under discussion.  And what one says about oneself in such instances is not terribly flattering.  Please bear in mind that others might reasonably hold opinions which differ from your own.</p>
<p>(Excerpted from Doctor Mod&#8217;s class materials on &#8220;How to Write an Effective Critique&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mannion</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30473</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>words like 'inexplicable' and 'unlistenable' as reasons for dislike ARE lazy and annoying tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>words like &#8216;inexplicable&#8217; and &#8216;unlistenable&#8217; as reasons for dislike ARE lazy and annoying tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel_Rf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel_Rf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People disliking different records is such a pain, eh.</description>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh FFS...I remembered why I stopped posting to the Popular comments box in the first place.

Good posts, Tom, shame about some of your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh FFS&#8230;I remembered why I stopped posting to the Popular comments box in the first place.</p>
<p>Good posts, Tom, shame about some of your readers.</p>
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		<title>By: DV</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Name Is Kenny seems to talk a lot of sense. It is nice to know that pop back in the 1960s was actually as rubbish as now.</description>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/mary-hopkin-those-were-the-days/#comment-30410</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Got to love the related articles system noticing the link to that busted post from sarah there)</description>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually like this song--a lot--especially now that I'm in the place of the song's narrator.  In 1968, I knew no more of middle age than did Mary Hopkin, and the song forced me to contemplate an unimaginable distant future.  (And the past I really long for is the 80s and not the 60s.)  Nonetheless, I found it--and still find it--a compelling work.

The trouble is that I don't know how to begin to discuss it.  There has been very little with which to compare it--the folk pseudo-klezmer arrangement, a voice more suitable to traditional Celtic/British balladry than pop/rock, etc.  There are very few recordings I'd actually deem &lt;i&gt;sui generis&lt;/i&gt; within a pop/rock context, but this must surely be one.  

The only analogy I can draw is with another record supervised by a major British rock group (the Stones) featuring a young girl with an aetherial voice--Marianne Faithfull's "As Tears Go By."  Once again, a contemplation of old[er] age.  But if Mary suggests you can still dream, Marianne suggests you can't.

Twenty years on, Marianne re-recorded the song--no longer "pretty" but certainly effectively poignant.  It would have been interesting if Mary H had done likewise.

Cynthia Lennon?  I'd no idea she was a singer.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually like this song&#8211;a lot&#8211;especially now that I&#8217;m in the place of the song&#8217;s narrator.  In 1968, I knew no more of middle age than did Mary Hopkin, and the song forced me to contemplate an unimaginable distant future.  (And the past I really long for is the 80s and not the 60s.)  Nonetheless, I found it&#8211;and still find it&#8211;a compelling work.</p>
<p>The trouble is that I don&#8217;t know how to begin to discuss it.  There has been very little with which to compare it&#8211;the folk pseudo-klezmer arrangement, a voice more suitable to traditional Celtic/British balladry than pop/rock, etc.  There are very few recordings I&#8217;d actually deem <i>sui generis</i> within a pop/rock context, but this must surely be one.  </p>
<p>The only analogy I can draw is with another record supervised by a major British rock group (the Stones) featuring a young girl with an aetherial voice&#8211;Marianne Faithfull&#8217;s &#8220;As Tears Go By.&#8221;  Once again, a contemplation of old[er] age.  But if Mary suggests you can still dream, Marianne suggests you can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Twenty years on, Marianne re-recorded the song&#8211;no longer &#8220;pretty&#8221; but certainly effectively poignant.  It would have been interesting if Mary H had done likewise.</p>
<p>Cynthia Lennon?  I&#8217;d no idea she was a singer&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's possibly ironic that just as the Beatles were disintegrating, we hit a rich seam of affiliated Number Ones. I haven't actually heard this record for ages, but I have nice memories of it.

The version of 'Seasons In The Sun' that I remember getting to Number One is indeed hideous, but I'm told the Brel original was good. The 'Thong Song' is an entertaining enough novelty. 

Oh, and a spot of Resurrection Watch: Cynthia Lennon did a version of this about ten years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possibly ironic that just as the Beatles were disintegrating, we hit a rich seam of affiliated Number Ones. I haven&#8217;t actually heard this record for ages, but I have nice memories of it.</p>
<p>The version of &#8216;Seasons In The Sun&#8217; that I remember getting to Number One is indeed hideous, but I&#8217;m told the Brel original was good. The &#8216;Thong Song&#8217; is an entertaining enough novelty. </p>
<p>Oh, and a spot of Resurrection Watch: Cynthia Lennon did a version of this about ten years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally different perspectives!

Hopkin: I lived and dreamed and the dreams didnt come off but we can still dream.

Thom: Modern life is awful compared to what I've heard it used to be.

The one is self-analysis, the other is criticism. The one rooted in experience, the other in fairytale. The one ultimately positive, the other a whinge.

(Except of course Hopkin's OWN experience is no more real than Thom's imaginings of the 60s and 70s, but what does that matter if she sells the song?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally different perspectives!</p>
<p>Hopkin: I lived and dreamed and the dreams didnt come off but we can still dream.</p>
<p>Thom: Modern life is awful compared to what I&#8217;ve heard it used to be.</p>
<p>The one is self-analysis, the other is criticism. The one rooted in experience, the other in fairytale. The one ultimately positive, the other a whinge.</p>
<p>(Except of course Hopkin&#8217;s OWN experience is no more real than Thom&#8217;s imaginings of the 60s and 70s, but what does that matter if she sells the song?)</p>
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		<title>By: stevem</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if a case could be built towards Sandi Thom's 'I Wish I Was  Punk Rocker...' on the basis of support given towards Hopkin's song, even though the head screams the superiority of the latter. Can it be that they are essentially saying the same thing? Or is it that Thom's song is more annoying for it's short-sighted nostalgia, harking back only 30-40 years ago whereas Hopkin laments the passing of a time before all this pop music nonsense altogether (so it seems), concerned with more than just musical and lyrical content - coming off as more ethereal and dare I say timeless in the process?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if a case could be built towards Sandi Thom&#8217;s &#8216;I Wish I Was  Punk Rocker&#8230;&#8217; on the basis of support given towards Hopkin&#8217;s song, even though the head screams the superiority of the latter. Can it be that they are essentially saying the same thing? Or is it that Thom&#8217;s song is more annoying for it&#8217;s short-sighted nostalgia, harking back only 30-40 years ago whereas Hopkin laments the passing of a time before all this pop music nonsense altogether (so it seems), concerned with more than just musical and lyrical content - coming off as more ethereal and dare I say timeless in the process?</p>
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