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	<title>Comments on: JOE COCKER - &#8220;With A Little Help From My Friends&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Lollards in the high church of low culture</description>
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		<title>By: pink champale</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/joe-cocker-with-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-397199</link>
		<dc:creator>pink champale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was persuaded by dr mod for a moment there and based on how it sounded it my memory was going to make a case for the absurd vein-bulging, eye-popping intensity of this as an abstract study in extremity, sort of like surfa rosa era pixies. unfortunately you-tubing to check reveals it's:
a) not quite as intense as i remember; and 
b) actually pretty horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was persuaded by dr mod for a moment there and based on how it sounded it my memory was going to make a case for the absurd vein-bulging, eye-popping intensity of this as an abstract study in extremity, sort of like surfa rosa era pixies. unfortunately you-tubing to check reveals it&#8217;s:<br />
a) not quite as intense as i remember; and<br />
b) actually pretty horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/joe-cocker-with-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-31084</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Tom.

Cocker as Caliban, hearing the spirit voices singing......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Tom.</p>
<p>Cocker as Caliban, hearing the spirit voices singing&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Doctor Mod's bit on dialogue - makes it sound like a song from Dexys' &lt;i&gt;Don't Stand Me Down&lt;/i&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Doctor Mod&#8217;s bit on dialogue - makes it sound like a song from Dexys&#8217; <i>Don&#8217;t Stand Me Down</i>!</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/joe-cocker-with-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-31044</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going to go entirely against the grain here and say that I actually like this recording.  Because I don't think that these "I love/hate this and everyone else is stupid" remarks contribute much to a discussion, though, I've been waiting until I could figure out what I like about it.

I believe/like it because it is absurd.  Yes, this recording is absurd.  This is a song about acknowledging that one does not, indeed cannot, stand alone.  This is completely and unambiguously convincing (not to mention) when sung with Ringo's quavering baritone.  But here we have Cocker's big growling, grunting, menacing, even bullying voice that seems as if it would tear the song's sentiments to shreds.  If this is not absolutely absurd, it is surely at least incongruous.

And I like its sense of dialogue.  Perhaps my opera background is creeping in here, but what clinches it more me is the section later in the performance where the volume drops and the female voices (including the fabulous Madeline Bell) ask "Would you believe in a love at first sight?", he responds, with a slight hesitation, "I'm certain that it happens all the time, yeah," as if this is a completely new idea--a contrast with the previous bluster.  (The Beatles, on the other hand, treat this exchange in a very matter-of-fact way, as if there could be no other answer.)  This moment comes close to unintentional camp--but not quite.  I'm &lt;i&gt;almost&lt;/i&gt; convinced it's sincere--an assumption I rarely make. 

I suppose what I like about it is that it strikes me as if it represents the bully, the bloke without the slightest finesse or subtelty, coming to realize that he isn't self-sufficient after all.  Somehow, this doesn't seem like what was supposed to happen after the bravura of the opening.

I won't say that's necessarily an improvement over Ringo modestly acknowledging what is already quite apparent.  I think the original point of the song what that it was custom-made for Ringo, whose voice bears no resemblance to Joe Cocker's.  (And, by the way, I am still quite fond of the Beatles' version as well.)

I could, of course, be entirely wrong.  And I daresay that those who disagree can offer reasonable suggestions to the contrary.  We like what we like.

But one other thing that should be said in its favor is that it's a CREATIVE cover version that doesn't merely recapitulate what the original did.  What's the point in that?  (And that's the question that I have to ask about the NEXT Beatles cover, coming up soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to go entirely against the grain here and say that I actually like this recording.  Because I don&#8217;t think that these &#8220;I love/hate this and everyone else is stupid&#8221; remarks contribute much to a discussion, though, I&#8217;ve been waiting until I could figure out what I like about it.</p>
<p>I believe/like it because it is absurd.  Yes, this recording is absurd.  This is a song about acknowledging that one does not, indeed cannot, stand alone.  This is completely and unambiguously convincing (not to mention) when sung with Ringo&#8217;s quavering baritone.  But here we have Cocker&#8217;s big growling, grunting, menacing, even bullying voice that seems as if it would tear the song&#8217;s sentiments to shreds.  If this is not absolutely absurd, it is surely at least incongruous.</p>
<p>And I like its sense of dialogue.  Perhaps my opera background is creeping in here, but what clinches it more me is the section later in the performance where the volume drops and the female voices (including the fabulous Madeline Bell) ask &#8220;Would you believe in a love at first sight?&#8221;, he responds, with a slight hesitation, &#8220;I&#8217;m certain that it happens all the time, yeah,&#8221; as if this is a completely new idea&#8211;a contrast with the previous bluster.  (The Beatles, on the other hand, treat this exchange in a very matter-of-fact way, as if there could be no other answer.)  This moment comes close to unintentional camp&#8211;but not quite.  I&#8217;m <i>almost</i> convinced it&#8217;s sincere&#8211;an assumption I rarely make. </p>
<p>I suppose what I like about it is that it strikes me as if it represents the bully, the bloke without the slightest finesse or subtelty, coming to realize that he isn&#8217;t self-sufficient after all.  Somehow, this doesn&#8217;t seem like what was supposed to happen after the bravura of the opening.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t say that&#8217;s necessarily an improvement over Ringo modestly acknowledging what is already quite apparent.  I think the original point of the song what that it was custom-made for Ringo, whose voice bears no resemblance to Joe Cocker&#8217;s.  (And, by the way, I am still quite fond of the Beatles&#8217; version as well.)</p>
<p>I could, of course, be entirely wrong.  And I daresay that those who disagree can offer reasonable suggestions to the contrary.  We like what we like.</p>
<p>But one other thing that should be said in its favor is that it&#8217;s a CREATIVE cover version that doesn&#8217;t merely recapitulate what the original did.  What&#8217;s the point in that?  (And that&#8217;s the question that I have to ask about the NEXT Beatles cover, coming up soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I didn't mean it was silly in the sense of tossed-off; although if Hunter Davies's account of the writing is accurate, they weren't at their most focussed, this song is exactly as silly as it's designed to be, and wholly congruent with the mood of &lt;i&gt;Sgt Pepper&lt;/i&gt;. However, Cocker's building on sand here.
Of course the other difference, which I think some comments have touched on, is that in the Beatles version there's literally more than one voice, with John &#38; Paul asking questions that Ringo can reply to (as parodied by the Rutles' 'Rendezvous'. Joe doesn't do this, even though he obviously has backing singers present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I didn&#8217;t mean it was silly in the sense of tossed-off; although if Hunter Davies&#8217;s account of the writing is accurate, they weren&#8217;t at their most focussed, this song is exactly as silly as it&#8217;s designed to be, and wholly congruent with the mood of <i>Sgt Pepper</i>. However, Cocker&#8217;s building on sand here.<br />
Of course the other difference, which I think some comments have touched on, is that in the Beatles version there&#8217;s literally more than one voice, with John &amp; Paul asking questions that Ringo can reply to (as parodied by the Rutles&#8217; &#8216;Rendezvous&#8217;. Joe doesn&#8217;t do this, even though he obviously has backing singers present.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Practical advice for making a cover version:

Take a BAD song and make it better.


(if you can...............)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Practical advice for making a cover version:</p>
<p>Take a BAD song and make it better.</p>
<p>(if you can&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taxonomy of cover versions here:

http://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/nylpm/2004/08/how-to-do-a-cover-version/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taxonomy of cover versions here:</p>
<p><a href="http://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/nylpm/2004/08/how-to-do-a-cover-version/" rel="nofollow">http://freakytrigger.co.uk/old-ft/nylpm/2004/08/how-to-do-a-cover-version/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/08/joe-cocker-with-a-little-help-from-my-friends/#comment-30664</link>
		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic, but this got me thinking about another cover version which illustrates both Jeff and Tom’s Cover Version Rules - “if you’re going to cover something, do something new with it” and “if you slow something down it becomes more serious but not necessarily better”.  I can listen to the original version of “Over the Rainbow”, but Eva Cassidy followed by countless X Factor types have ruined it.  “With A Little Help” was a charming lightweight song that was very effectively reworked by Cocker, “Over the Rainbow” was similar but needs to be kept simple - overwrought versions messing about with the phrasing as a substitute for emotion just ruin it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic, but this got me thinking about another cover version which illustrates both Jeff and Tom’s Cover Version Rules - “if you’re going to cover something, do something new with it” and “if you slow something down it becomes more serious but not necessarily better”.  I can listen to the original version of “Over the Rainbow”, but Eva Cassidy followed by countless X Factor types have ruined it.  “With A Little Help” was a charming lightweight song that was very effectively reworked by Cocker, “Over the Rainbow” was similar but needs to be kept simple - overwrought versions messing about with the phrasing as a substitute for emotion just ruin it.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Skidmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Skidmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are few more hideous thoughts than Joe Cocker doing a cover of a Jarvis song like, say, 'Something Changed'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are few more hideous thoughts than Joe Cocker doing a cover of a Jarvis song like, say, &#8216;Something Changed&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff w</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking about the song some more overnight, I was struck by how complex* it is (not this recording as such, I mean the writing). In particular, the shifting "you" of the lyric. (Is this the "switch up" that Blount refers to above?) Going back to the Beatles version, the "you" starts out as the person Ringo is singing to, but by the end of the song, the most logical construction is that the "you" is Ringo.  And in the middle it's ambiguous who the "you" is, especially in verse 2.  In other words, it's debatable where the switch-over occurs.  The Cocker version irons out a lot of these ambiguities, which may be where it fails, if at all.

The other thing I meant to say before in defence of the Cocker version is how fab the arrangement is.  I mentioned the dynamic range in passing above (and far from the musiciams playing slovenly, as someone said, I hear every beat and pause as incredibly calculated).  Not to mention the change from the clomp clomp 4/4 (or skippety skippety 12/8 if you prefer) of the original to waltz time; the Cocker version is not &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; slowed down.  Some thought has gone into how to make it work as a slow dance.

*substitute "not very well thought through" for "complex" if you prefer.  But I don't think you can dismiss it as a 'silly song', if by that is meant 'tossed off'.  There's too much going on in it for that.

OK I shut up now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about the song some more overnight, I was struck by how complex* it is (not this recording as such, I mean the writing). In particular, the shifting &#8220;you&#8221; of the lyric. (Is this the &#8220;switch up&#8221; that Blount refers to above?) Going back to the Beatles version, the &#8220;you&#8221; starts out as the person Ringo is singing to, but by the end of the song, the most logical construction is that the &#8220;you&#8221; is Ringo.  And in the middle it&#8217;s ambiguous who the &#8220;you&#8221; is, especially in verse 2.  In other words, it&#8217;s debatable where the switch-over occurs.  The Cocker version irons out a lot of these ambiguities, which may be where it fails, if at all.</p>
<p>The other thing I meant to say before in defence of the Cocker version is how fab the arrangement is.  I mentioned the dynamic range in passing above (and far from the musiciams playing slovenly, as someone said, I hear every beat and pause as incredibly calculated).  Not to mention the change from the clomp clomp 4/4 (or skippety skippety 12/8 if you prefer) of the original to waltz time; the Cocker version is not <i>just</i> slowed down.  Some thought has gone into how to make it work as a slow dance.</p>
<p>*substitute &#8220;not very well thought through&#8221; for &#8220;complex&#8221; if you prefer.  But I don&#8217;t think you can dismiss it as a &#8217;silly song&#8217;, if by that is meant &#8216;tossed off&#8217;.  There&#8217;s too much going on in it for that.</p>
<p>OK I shut up now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya Headon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanya Headon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always read it as Cock to be fair.</description>
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		<title>By: Oh No It's Dadaismus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh No It's Dadaismus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cocker would appear to be a common name in Sheffield, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cocker would appear to be a common name in Sheffield, no?</p>
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		<title>By: CarsmileSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarsmileSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe or jarvis?</description>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i heart the idea of a full-length cocker jude! MERZBOSH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i heart the idea of a full-length cocker jude! MERZBOSH!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because I am v.dim I have only just worked out why half the 'related posts' are Pulp songs - now there's a man who knows how to place a vocal interjection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I am v.dim I have only just worked out why half the &#8216;related posts&#8217; are Pulp songs - now there&#8217;s a man who knows how to place a vocal interjection.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - I like your take on it, as with wwolfe on Jude I don't think I feel your take on it, but I like it.

Blount (2nd post) - OTM!

Mark - I will respond to this disgraceful slur in future reviews!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff - I like your take on it, as with wwolfe on Jude I don&#8217;t think I feel your take on it, but I like it.</p>
<p>Blount (2nd post) - OTM!</p>
<p>Mark - I will respond to this disgraceful slur in future reviews!!</p>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he always sounds constipated! he always &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; constipated! cocker has actually done better, 'i'm feeling alright/ain't feeling too good myself' or whatever it's called is awesome, one of the great 'classic rock you can really dance to' standbys (cf. 'sympathy for the devil'). that it is just 'a silly song they wrote for ringo to sing' helps it i think - if he'd done this with one of the more portentious beatles cuts - 'yesterday', 'you've got to hide yr love away', even - shudder to think of it! - 'hey jude' - the result would've been more unbearable than one dares imagine! on reflection a pity he didn't opt for 'when i'm sixty four' instead! !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he always sounds constipated! he always <b>was</b> constipated! cocker has actually done better, &#8216;i&#8217;m feeling alright/ain&#8217;t feeling too good myself&#8217; or whatever it&#8217;s called is awesome, one of the great &#8216;classic rock you can really dance to&#8217; standbys (cf. &#8217;sympathy for the devil&#8217;). that it is just &#8216;a silly song they wrote for ringo to sing&#8217; helps it i think - if he&#8217;d done this with one of the more portentious beatles cuts - &#8216;yesterday&#8217;, &#8216;you&#8217;ve got to hide yr love away&#8217;, even - shudder to think of it! - &#8216;hey jude&#8217; - the result would&#8217;ve been more unbearable than one dares imagine! on reflection a pity he didn&#8217;t opt for &#8216;when i&#8217;m sixty four&#8217; instead! !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry everyone, I think this is rubbish. I'm not a fan of Joe Cocker generally, but I think he's done better than this. The fundamental problem is that it's a silly song they wrote for Ringo to sing. And that's fine, but it leaves ol' Joe straining to emote something that just isn't there. He ends up sounding a bit constipated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry everyone, I think this is rubbish. I&#8217;m not a fan of Joe Cocker generally, but I think he&#8217;s done better than this. The fundamental problem is that it&#8217;s a silly song they wrote for Ringo to sing. And that&#8217;s fine, but it leaves ol&#8217; Joe straining to emote something that just isn&#8217;t there. He ends up sounding a bit constipated.</p>
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		<title>By: blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he liked levi stubbs just fine!

i like this song (danica mckellar and julie condra possibly why), i like the switch-up between verses, i like the call-and-response of the original taken to its logical soul variant, i like the mock grandeur of those page guitar sweeps during the chorus (ie. '5'). this + plus jude - you can see the import and bloat seeping in and cresting over, rock's a beached whale by this point and 1966 seems a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he liked levi stubbs just fine!</p>
<p>i like this song (danica mckellar and julie condra possibly why), i like the switch-up between verses, i like the call-and-response of the original taken to its logical soul variant, i like the mock grandeur of those page guitar sweeps during the chorus (ie. &#8216;5&#8242;). this + plus jude - you can see the import and bloat seeping in and cresting over, rock&#8217;s a beached whale by this point and 1966 seems a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm beginning to think Tom and soul singing don't mix. THat's the second time in the last half dozen posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m beginning to think Tom and soul singing don&#8217;t mix. THat&#8217;s the second time in the last half dozen posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, for heaven's sake, Tom. The 'charm' of the Beatles original???

Sigh. I guess you had to be there at the time to get the Cocker version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, for heaven&#8217;s sake, Tom. The &#8216;charm&#8217; of the Beatles original???</p>
<p>Sigh. I guess you had to be there at the time to get the Cocker version.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was this the " Mad Dogs &#38; Englishmen " days for Joe ? I'm not a big fan of live albums but that was one of the best. And , as I recall , the Woodstock version of this song was a scorcher ...


Number one "live album 'ever  :  " Waiting For Columbus " by Little Feat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this the &#8221; Mad Dogs &amp; Englishmen &#8221; days for Joe ? I&#8217;m not a big fan of live albums but that was one of the best. And , as I recall , the Woodstock version of this song was a scorcher &#8230;</p>
<p>Number one &#8220;live album &#8216;ever  :  &#8221; Waiting For Columbus &#8221; by Little Feat.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff w</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This song was on the first record I ever owned (K-Tel's &lt;i&gt;22 Dynamic Hits, Vol. II&lt;/i&gt;) so I knew it intimately many years before I heard The Beatles cover - erm, the original I mean.

I did find it rather scary at age 7, but I think it has its plus points (or at least some features of interest).

While the song is remembered for its OTT-ness, the verses are actually rendered very softly with minimal backing.  The way Cocker sings "What/ would you do-oo/ if I sang/ outa toon" and then holds back a bit before rushing the next line with an almost audible 'sorrowful shake of the head' works for me: Cocker may be hamming it up, but it's genuinely pathetic (as in generates a bit of sympathy).  But actually he's lulling you into a false sense of superiority.  He's stronger than you think.  He gets by with the help of his friends.  Just a little help, but together he and his friends are stronger than you, who is walking out on Joe and his out of toon voice.

The second verse also offers a different perspective to the original by virtue of having the backing singers sing the second and fourth lines.  The focus is thus continuously on Cocker: does it worry YOU, Joe to be alone? "No no" he replies.  Are YOU sad to be on your own, Joe?  No, Joe gets by...  (The way Ringo sings it, the message is more universal, communal)

It's not necessarily a better take on the song.  But, as I say, it is interesting for the way the meaning is twisted without changing the lyric as such.  Jeff's cover version Rule #1 (if you're going to cover something, do something new with it) = tick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This song was on the first record I ever owned (K-Tel&#8217;s <i>22 Dynamic Hits, Vol. II</i>) so I knew it intimately many years before I heard The Beatles cover - erm, the original I mean.</p>
<p>I did find it rather scary at age 7, but I think it has its plus points (or at least some features of interest).</p>
<p>While the song is remembered for its OTT-ness, the verses are actually rendered very softly with minimal backing.  The way Cocker sings &#8220;What/ would you do-oo/ if I sang/ outa toon&#8221; and then holds back a bit before rushing the next line with an almost audible &#8217;sorrowful shake of the head&#8217; works for me: Cocker may be hamming it up, but it&#8217;s genuinely pathetic (as in generates a bit of sympathy).  But actually he&#8217;s lulling you into a false sense of superiority.  He&#8217;s stronger than you think.  He gets by with the help of his friends.  Just a little help, but together he and his friends are stronger than you, who is walking out on Joe and his out of toon voice.</p>
<p>The second verse also offers a different perspective to the original by virtue of having the backing singers sing the second and fourth lines.  The focus is thus continuously on Cocker: does it worry YOU, Joe to be alone? &#8220;No no&#8221; he replies.  Are YOU sad to be on your own, Joe?  No, Joe gets by&#8230;  (The way Ringo sings it, the message is more universal, communal)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not necessarily a better take on the song.  But, as I say, it is interesting for the way the meaning is twisted without changing the lyric as such.  Jeff&#8217;s cover version Rule #1 (if you&#8217;re going to cover something, do something new with it) = tick.</p>
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		<title>By: wwolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wwolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really nails why I don't care for this version of the song.  It's hard to be loud and humble at the same time, I guess.

A couple other points that work against it for me.  First, the playing seems so sloppy.  I'm sure all the musicians are talented, but their performances seem slovenly.  Second, this might be THE song where it seems to me that popular music  (read: white rock) became impossible to dance to, which I'm convinced is the moment when any particular genre begins to lose its hold on mass popularity.  You can't slow dance to this, you can't fast dance - really, you can get very stoned, stand in one spot, and sway woozily back and forth.  I seem to recall audience members doing in the movie of Woodstock, and it just never seemed like a good time to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really nails why I don&#8217;t care for this version of the song.  It&#8217;s hard to be loud and humble at the same time, I guess.</p>
<p>A couple other points that work against it for me.  First, the playing seems so sloppy.  I&#8217;m sure all the musicians are talented, but their performances seem slovenly.  Second, this might be THE song where it seems to me that popular music  (read: white rock) became impossible to dance to, which I&#8217;m convinced is the moment when any particular genre begins to lose its hold on mass popularity.  You can&#8217;t slow dance to this, you can&#8217;t fast dance - really, you can get very stoned, stand in one spot, and sway woozily back and forth.  I seem to recall audience members doing in the movie of Woodstock, and it just never seemed like a good time to me.</p>
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		<title>By: pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</title>
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		<dc:creator>pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bin laden = joe cocker fan</description>
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