fraudwatch: the classics
a friend told me last week that he had encountered — in relation to a WELL-KNOWN CURRENTLY V.POPULAR MAJOR ELECTRONIC PRODUCT (wkcpMEP) — a MONUMENTAL OLD-SKOOL FRAUD about to unfold. Which when discovered will embarrass the manufacturers of the wkcpMEP SO MUCH that the gen.pub. will possibly never hear of this scam viz
i. an independent company is about to offer an useful add-on item to the wkcpMEP…
ii. …which allows owners of the wkcpMEP to RECHARGE IT w/o pluggin it in anywhere…
iii. …by means recharger based on a system of little spinning magnets…
iv. …which will NEVER RUN DOWN…
v. do we twig where this might be going?
vi. my friend arsked his contact if he had ever heard of the concept of PERPETUAL MOTION
vii. the reply was “haha i only work here mate! try telling the front office!”
i am keeping this all super-anonymous for legal reasons obv
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FT's Tom on August 7th, 2006
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FT's pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør on August 7th, 2006
haha awesome! the page is titled “the museum of unworkable devices” — it is a large pseudo-wiki on why the various famous PMMs don’t work!
Pete on August 7th, 2006
Weapons of perpetual motion…
The magnet one is a classic, I remember doing it for A-Level physics. Haven’t looked at the solution, but despite eddies and stuff in the magnetic flux, the overall magnetic force in the centre of that circle will more or less be zero right (much like it is in a bar magnet in the inside)?
FT's pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør on August 7th, 2006
magnetic force ANYWHERE within the circle of magnets effectively sums to zero, so there is nothing to cause the spinning magnet to spin
(also the question of “magnetic shields” is rawther fraught, since “magnetism” doesn’t “travel” in straight lines)
FT's Pete Baran on August 7th, 2006
That’s right, everything in the circle cancels out.
FT's katstevens on August 8th, 2006
If you had a different sort of device with eg three magnets in a Y shape (but not meeting in the middle) with the extremities all being S and the bottom point being a pivot so the vertical magnet could swing from side to side like a metronome. Now get the two diagonal magnets moving up and down* to create uneven force to make vertigal magnet move between the two? My physics ain’t great so please tell me why that wouldn’t work in Easy Langwich pls.
*using outside power souce to start off with until you can harness teh power from yr PMM, ooo meta
FT's pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør on August 8th, 2006
“outside power source” = tap it to start
this would basically be an amplified pendulum, so the reason it fails is the reason any pendulum fails i think
ignoring special properties of magnets, air resistance (do it in a vacuum) and eg coriolis force (effects of earth turning) and motion of other large gravitional bodies in solar system tending to tugs things off true slightly, the main reason the oscillations would die down of their own accord = friction at hinge
Pete on August 8th, 2006
Not perpetual motion: but better. Generating electricity from your mains water tap. Small turbine underneath your bath tap, and run water all day.
Doesn’t work if you have a water meter. Or at least is not as cost effective.
FT's pˆnk s lord sükråt cunctør on August 22nd, 2006
looks like the story is surfacing!!