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	<title>Comments on: THE BEATLES - &#8220;Hello Goodbye&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-242750</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did ITV get this desperate for ratings?</description>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-242668</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Daniel we hope voting skate off you can we did vote Duncan Dancing on ice Thanks for Helping you Look After safe Happy Judge Jason Have a Good Time Judge Have a Great Time Thank you i see you soon Love karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Daniel we hope voting skate off you can we did vote Duncan Dancing on ice Thanks for Helping you Look After safe Happy Judge Jason Have a Good Time Judge Have a Great Time Thank you i see you soon Love karen</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-43904</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If "I Am The Walrus" had been an official double A-side with "Hello Goodbye" I would have given it about 48,000 out of ten.  Still you can understand the then Controller of Radio 1 getting jittery over having to air "you let your knickers down" regularly on the J.Y. Prog.

And in light of its appearance, not only on the B-side of "Hello Goodbye" but also as one of the six tracks on the &lt;i&gt;Magical Mystery Tour&lt;/i&gt; E.P., "I Am The Walrus" does retain the unique position of being the only recording to appear simultaneously on the number one and number two records in the singles chart in the same week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;I Am The Walrus&#8221; had been an official double A-side with &#8220;Hello Goodbye&#8221; I would have given it about 48,000 out of ten.  Still you can understand the then Controller of Radio 1 getting jittery over having to air &#8220;you let your knickers down&#8221; regularly on the J.Y. Prog.</p>
<p>And in light of its appearance, not only on the B-side of &#8220;Hello Goodbye&#8221; but also as one of the six tracks on the <i>Magical Mystery Tour</i> E.P., &#8220;I Am The Walrus&#8221; does retain the unique position of being the only recording to appear simultaneously on the number one and number two records in the singles chart in the same week.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Wright</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-43834</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may not be the Beatles' finest three minutes, but I like the way it harks back to the innocence, exhilaration and joy that radiate from their early records. Also, only a heart of stone could contemplate the look on George Harrison's face in the promotional film without laughing. Unlike Ringo, Harrison never appreciated how lucky he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may not be the Beatles&#8217; finest three minutes, but I like the way it harks back to the innocence, exhilaration and joy that radiate from their early records. Also, only a heart of stone could contemplate the look on George Harrison&#8217;s face in the promotional film without laughing. Unlike Ringo, Harrison never appreciated how lucky he was.</p>
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		<title>By: ghjm</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-40781</link>
		<dc:creator>ghjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 06:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dr Mod, I agree with you that I Am The Walrus is a more interesting song than Hello Goodbye. But I can't agree that all of McCartney's post-Beatles work featured "twerpy cloyingness." Seriously, give a listen to the Band On The Run and (particularly) Venus And Mars albums sometime. Sure, none of the songs quite equals "Imagine," but then again, none of Lennon's other post-Beatles songs did either. Give McCartney a chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dr Mod, I agree with you that I Am The Walrus is a more interesting song than Hello Goodbye. But I can&#8217;t agree that all of McCartney&#8217;s post-Beatles work featured &#8220;twerpy cloyingness.&#8221; Seriously, give a listen to the Band On The Run and (particularly) Venus And Mars albums sometime. Sure, none of the songs quite equals &#8220;Imagine,&#8221; but then again, none of Lennon&#8217;s other post-Beatles songs did either. Give McCartney a chance!</p>
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		<title>By: koganbot</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-27596</link>
		<dc:creator>koganbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Goodbye"/"Walrus" most certainly was treated as a double A side in the U.S., with "Walrus" getting massive play on Top 40 radio; there's something about the way things were counted that made "Hello Goodbye" the official designation on the charts, or the songs were given different spots on the charts (charts considered airplay as well as sales even then in the U.S.). Other major double-A sides from that time were "All You Need Is Love"/"Baby You're a Rich Man," and "I'm a Believer"/"Steppin' Stone," the latter being a massive hit from a few months earlier.

As for what's Beatlesque, Brian's right, there were distinct Beatles sounds; but I think the biggest difference would have been early Beatles tracks like &lt;strike&gt;"Cathy's Clown"&lt;/strike&gt; "Not A Second Time" and "No Reply" etc. as imitated by the Yardbirds in "Mister You're a Better Man Than I" and the Kinks in "You Shouldn't Be Sad" (and I think there's an influence on Marley too, and I wouldn't be surprised if spirituals and folk music are in the ancestry, as well as the Everly Bros. and the girl groups); I don't have the music theory to explain it; something about melodies that circle up and down, often landing on a minor key. And something about the harmonies... I'd think the later "Beatlesque" has its rousing elements (stuff like "Baby You're a Rich Man" and "Hello Goodbye") but is most typified by the ethereal "aahs" during the break in "A Day in the Life," right after Paul has a smoke and goes into a dream (which follows the chord pattern to "Hey Joe," and was lifted whole by Deep Purple at the start of "Hush").

There's other stuff too, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Goodbye&#8221;/&#8221;Walrus&#8221; most certainly was treated as a double A side in the U.S., with &#8220;Walrus&#8221; getting massive play on Top 40 radio; there&#8217;s something about the way things were counted that made &#8220;Hello Goodbye&#8221; the official designation on the charts, or the songs were given different spots on the charts (charts considered airplay as well as sales even then in the U.S.). Other major double-A sides from that time were &#8220;All You Need Is Love&#8221;/&#8221;Baby You&#8217;re a Rich Man,&#8221; and &#8220;I&#8217;m a Believer&#8221;/&#8221;Steppin&#8217; Stone,&#8221; the latter being a massive hit from a few months earlier.</p>
<p>As for what&#8217;s Beatlesque, Brian&#8217;s right, there were distinct Beatles sounds; but I think the biggest difference would have been early Beatles tracks like <strike>&#8220;Cathy&#8217;s Clown&#8221;</strike> &#8220;Not A Second Time&#8221; and &#8220;No Reply&#8221; etc. as imitated by the Yardbirds in &#8220;Mister You&#8217;re a Better Man Than I&#8221; and the Kinks in &#8220;You Shouldn&#8217;t Be Sad&#8221; (and I think there&#8217;s an influence on Marley too, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if spirituals and folk music are in the ancestry, as well as the Everly Bros. and the girl groups); I don&#8217;t have the music theory to explain it; something about melodies that circle up and down, often landing on a minor key. And something about the harmonies&#8230; I&#8217;d think the later &#8220;Beatlesque&#8221; has its rousing elements (stuff like &#8220;Baby You&#8217;re a Rich Man&#8221; and &#8220;Hello Goodbye&#8221;) but is most typified by the ethereal &#8220;aahs&#8221; during the break in &#8220;A Day in the Life,&#8221; right after Paul has a smoke and goes into a dream (which follows the chord pattern to &#8220;Hey Joe,&#8221; and was lifted whole by Deep Purple at the start of &#8220;Hush&#8221;).</p>
<p>There&#8217;s other stuff too, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-27252</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think many would dispute that 'Walrus' is the better side, but this is the more commercial one. Plus 'Walrus' already had a home on the Magical Mystery Tour EP, which this didn't.

I was born in North London, so when I was that kid driving through France I had no idea there was such a word as "Aloha". I just thought they were saying "Hello-Ah" (add your own Mark E. Smith joke). 

According to Mark Lewisohn's book, they did a mix without the violas in the hope that the video could be shown on British TV without the Musicians' Union objecting. It didn't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think many would dispute that &#8216;Walrus&#8217; is the better side, but this is the more commercial one. Plus &#8216;Walrus&#8217; already had a home on the Magical Mystery Tour EP, which this didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I was born in North London, so when I was that kid driving through France I had no idea there was such a word as &#8220;Aloha&#8221;. I just thought they were saying &#8220;Hello-Ah&#8221; (add your own Mark E. Smith joke). </p>
<p>According to Mark Lewisohn&#8217;s book, they did a mix without the violas in the hope that the video could be shown on British TV without the Musicians&#8217; Union objecting. It didn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Mod</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/07/the-beatles-hello-goodbye/#comment-27168</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Mod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it puzzling that this release wasn't a double A-side--surely "I Am the Walrus" is the stronger recording.  But I'd imagine that this simple, catchy tune was put out as the single in order to alleviate the fears of many fans that "I Am the Walrus" and similar numbers would eradicate what they loved about the Beatles, namely simple, catchy pop tunes.

No, nothing profound here.  Did anyone really expect that from McCartney?  But here, with the other Beatles making their contributions to the mix, the recording is free from that twerpy cloyingness that made the lack of profundity more readily evident in McC's solo work and with Wings.

So the Beatles gave the people what they wanted with "Hello Goodbye."  They wouldn't do that too many more times afterwards.

Still, I retain a lot of fondness for the song.  It has its quirky charm.  I always appreciated the intricate backing vocals that John and George did here and elsewhere, and, yes, I agree that the song is a definitive example of what being "Beatlesesque" was all about.

Having been born in Honolulu, I'm always amused, too, at the weird mispronunciation of "aloha."  The only way I figured out what "hey-la hey-a-hey-lo-ah" meant was when I saw the video with the hula dancers wiggling about at the end.  Ah, that tropical rhythm that Ringo puts down in the closing seconds-- Mahalo, Beatles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it puzzling that this release wasn&#8217;t a double A-side&#8211;surely &#8220;I Am the Walrus&#8221; is the stronger recording.  But I&#8217;d imagine that this simple, catchy tune was put out as the single in order to alleviate the fears of many fans that &#8220;I Am the Walrus&#8221; and similar numbers would eradicate what they loved about the Beatles, namely simple, catchy pop tunes.</p>
<p>No, nothing profound here.  Did anyone really expect that from McCartney?  But here, with the other Beatles making their contributions to the mix, the recording is free from that twerpy cloyingness that made the lack of profundity more readily evident in McC&#8217;s solo work and with Wings.</p>
<p>So the Beatles gave the people what they wanted with &#8220;Hello Goodbye.&#8221;  They wouldn&#8217;t do that too many more times afterwards.</p>
<p>Still, I retain a lot of fondness for the song.  It has its quirky charm.  I always appreciated the intricate backing vocals that John and George did here and elsewhere, and, yes, I agree that the song is a definitive example of what being &#8220;Beatlesesque&#8221; was all about.</p>
<p>Having been born in Honolulu, I&#8217;m always amused, too, at the weird mispronunciation of &#8220;aloha.&#8221;  The only way I figured out what &#8220;hey-la hey-a-hey-lo-ah&#8221; meant was when I saw the video with the hula dancers wiggling about at the end.  Ah, that tropical rhythm that Ringo puts down in the closing seconds&#8211; Mahalo, Beatles!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the variety of Beatles sounds, of course - but when you hear records by other people described as "Beatlesque" there's usually a certain thing in mind. This song always reminds me of a family holiday in France when we only had two Beatles tapes to listen to - this was one of the many songs thereon that I'd never encountered before. I loved it then, but I was only about six.

I still like it now, but I always have in mind that if people dislike the Beatles, this is precisely the sort of thing they have in mind. I find it hard to imagine that this is any adult's favourite, for all that it had their longest continuous run at the top of the charts since 'From Me To You'. 
On a historical note, the flipside of this was 'I Am The Walrus' - another John song of course and also featured on the Magical Mystery Tour EP set which was at 2 for much of this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the variety of Beatles sounds, of course - but when you hear records by other people described as &#8220;Beatlesque&#8221; there&#8217;s usually a certain thing in mind. This song always reminds me of a family holiday in France when we only had two Beatles tapes to listen to - this was one of the many songs thereon that I&#8217;d never encountered before. I loved it then, but I was only about six.</p>
<p>I still like it now, but I always have in mind that if people dislike the Beatles, this is precisely the sort of thing they have in mind. I find it hard to imagine that this is any adult&#8217;s favourite, for all that it had their longest continuous run at the top of the charts since &#8216;From Me To You&#8217;.<br />
On a historical note, the flipside of this was &#8216;I Am The Walrus&#8217; - another John song of course and also featured on the Magical Mystery Tour EP set which was at 2 for much of this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me that trying to label one "sound" as Beatlesque is a bit like calling all dogs black. 

Almost every Beatle album had its shift in writing and recording that gave each phase of their musical progression a signature sound. From " Love Me Do' to "Hard Days Night " to "Help" to " Norwegian Wood" to " Elebnor RIgby " to 'Sgt. Pepper"....they all have readily indentifiable parts that immediately lets you know that it is The Beatles. 

So it gives a lot for other bands to drawn on from folkies to rockers, that they can probably find something in the Beatle catalougue that will float their boat....at the risk of soundiung Beatleesque - but all in all, not a bad aspiration.

As for "Hello, Goodbye" - I only just realized that this is a Paul song. Because of the lyrical word play, I always thought of it as a John song. No wonder he didn't like it much if the above quote is true.

But I like this song. It's like two songs going in different directions at once and has that effect from the background vocals singing a separate melody and lyric.

 You got yes coming and goodbye going. All ending up in one big " aloha " , which means hello and goodbye in Hawaiian.

Crafty beggars.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that trying to label one &#8220;sound&#8221; as Beatlesque is a bit like calling all dogs black. </p>
<p>Almost every Beatle album had its shift in writing and recording that gave each phase of their musical progression a signature sound. From &#8221; Love Me Do&#8217; to &#8220;Hard Days Night &#8221; to &#8220;Help&#8221; to &#8221; Norwegian Wood&#8221; to &#8221; Elebnor RIgby &#8221; to &#8216;Sgt. Pepper&#8221;&#8230;.they all have readily indentifiable parts that immediately lets you know that it is The Beatles. </p>
<p>So it gives a lot for other bands to drawn on from folkies to rockers, that they can probably find something in the Beatle catalougue that will float their boat&#8230;.at the risk of soundiung Beatleesque - but all in all, not a bad aspiration.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;Hello, Goodbye&#8221; - I only just realized that this is a Paul song. Because of the lyrical word play, I always thought of it as a John song. No wonder he didn&#8217;t like it much if the above quote is true.</p>
<p>But I like this song. It&#8217;s like two songs going in different directions at once and has that effect from the background vocals singing a separate melody and lyric.</p>
<p> You got yes coming and goodbye going. All ending up in one big &#8221; aloha &#8221; , which means hello and goodbye in Hawaiian.</p>
<p>Crafty beggars&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Erithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There’s a quote from John Lennon which is quite instructive on how he at least saw this song.  Lamenting the fact that one of his strongest songs, “Revolution”, was only a B-side, and having the kind of memory lapse unthinkable to a Beatle fan but excusable in a Beatle, he said “and what was on the A-side?  “Hello Goodbye” or some s--t like that?  Oh, no, it was “Hey Jude”, which was worth it - I take it back…”

Re “Beatlesqueness” (great word) what sums it up for me is not the oom-pah stuff they could put out on an off-day, but the more driving rhythms and guitar sound of something like “And Your Bird Can Sing” from Revolver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s a quote from John Lennon which is quite instructive on how he at least saw this song.  Lamenting the fact that one of his strongest songs, “Revolution”, was only a B-side, and having the kind of memory lapse unthinkable to a Beatle fan but excusable in a Beatle, he said “and what was on the A-side?  “Hello Goodbye” or some s&#8211;t like that?  Oh, no, it was “Hey Jude”, which was worth it - I take it back…”</p>
<p>Re “Beatlesqueness” (great word) what sums it up for me is not the oom-pah stuff they could put out on an off-day, but the more driving rhythms and guitar sound of something like “And Your Bird Can Sing” from Revolver.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcello Carlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcello Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently departed: the chap who played that &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,1796018,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;odd violin&lt;/a&gt; on "Hello Goodbye": an interesting life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently departed: the chap who played that <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,1796018,00.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0_1796018_00.html?referer=');">odd violin</a> on &#8220;Hello Goodbye&#8221;: an interesting life.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mannion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lyrical simplicity of the song frustrates me because I love the jolliness of the tune (but not as much as 'Lady Madonna'). Possible pop paradox here. Maybe I should stick with E.L.O.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lyrical simplicity of the song frustrates me because I love the jolliness of the tune (but not as much as &#8216;Lady Madonna&#8217;). Possible pop paradox here. Maybe I should stick with E.L.O.</p>
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