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		<title>Comment on Pop World Cup 2010 Group D: Germany vs Serbia by Jonathan Bogart</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2010/03/pop-world-cup-2010-group-d-germany-vs-serbia/#comment-686361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bogart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Germany has the appeal of an unexpected formation on its side, but once you&#039;ve learned the trick they have little else to offer; and while Serbia offers no real surprises, they&#039;re better company over the course of an hour&#039;s match. Serbia, in a game which doesn&#039;t set the world on fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germany has the appeal of an unexpected formation on its side, but once you&#8217;ve learned the trick they have little else to offer; and while Serbia offers no real surprises, they&#8217;re better company over the course of an hour&#8217;s match. Serbia, in a game which doesn&#8217;t set the world on fire.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pop World Cup 2010: Group D &#8211; Ghana vs Australia by Jonathan Bogart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bogart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia all the way. Ghana is perfectly pleasant but not more, and their opponents offer the best use of a brass line we&#039;ve had yet in the games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia all the way. Ghana is perfectly pleasant but not more, and their opponents offer the best use of a brass line we&#8217;ve had yet in the games.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pop World Cup 2010: Group C &#8211; England vs Algeria by Jonathan Bogart</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2010/03/pop-world-cup-2010-group-c-england-vs-algeria/#comment-686359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bogart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has to be England for me; if the Algerian striker had been allowed to show his stuff it might have gone differently, but this formation is just odd without being really effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has to be England for me; if the Algerian striker had been allowed to show his stuff it might have gone differently, but this formation is just odd without being really effective.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pop World Cup 2010: Group C &#8211; Slovenia vs USA by Jonathan Bogart</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2010/03/pop-world-cup-2010-group-c-slovenia-vs-usa/#comment-686358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bogart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 05:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slovenia&#039;s well-drilled and has a rigorous, methodical style, but I can&#039;t help but prefer the gleeful showmanship of the American striker. If this song were put forth by any other country in a language most people here didn&#039;t speak it would dominate against any other track, and rightly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slovenia&#8217;s well-drilled and has a rigorous, methodical style, but I can&#8217;t help but prefer the gleeful showmanship of the American striker. If this song were put forth by any other country in a language most people here didn&#8217;t speak it would dominate against any other track, and rightly so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on JOHNNY KIDD AND THE PIRATES &#8211; &#8220;Shaking All Over&#8221; by Paulito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paulito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mean, moody and magnificent, and easily the equal of any US rock&#039;n&#039;roll from the era.  What&#039;s astonishing is that it&#039;s still such a thrill to listen to half a century later. And I don&#039;t think the drum roll and guitar solo dissipate the song&#039;s energy at all; perhaps they might have done if the playing wasn&#039;t so superlative. Definitely a 9, perhaps a 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mean, moody and magnificent, and easily the equal of any US rock&#8217;n'roll from the era.  What&#8217;s astonishing is that it&#8217;s still such a thrill to listen to half a century later. And I don&#8217;t think the drum roll and guitar solo dissipate the song&#8217;s energy at all; perhaps they might have done if the playing wasn&#8217;t so superlative. Definitely a 9, perhaps a 10.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MADONNA &#8211; &#8220;Who&#8217;s That Girl&#8221; by wichita lineman</title>
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		<dc:creator>wichita lineman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, pleasant, lightweight, on autopilot, a mere trifle, but the question we should be asking is

WHERE&#039;S THE COUGAR, MATEY?</description>
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<p>WHERE&#8217;S THE COUGAR, MATEY?</p>
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		<title>Comment on ROY ORBISON &#8211; &#8220;It&#8217;s Over&#8221; by Paulito</title>
		<link>http://freakytrigger.co.uk/popular/2005/01/roy-orbison-its-over/#comment-686249</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Few comments, yes, but it&#039;s quality that counts and the ones here (along with Tom&#039;s review of course) are superb.  One of the delights of Popular is how it makes you listen to a familiar song with fresh ears and, in many cases, realise that it&#039;s even greater than you previously comprehended.  This is a perfect example - I&#039;d consider myself a Big O fan and I always liked &quot;It&#039;s Over&quot;, but it didn&#039;t hold any higher place in my esteem than numerous other Orbisongs.  But I&#039;ve just listened to it three times in a row to revelatory effect.  As Tom and thefatgit so eloquently articulate, it&#039;s surely the high point of Orbison&#039;s mastery of broken-heart balladry: drawing you in with its lush, dramatic arrangement and Roy&#039;s polite, almost matter-of-fact despondency - as if he&#039;s trying to tell himself that he can somehow adjust to this new life of emptiness - before building up to a total surrender to agony and despair.  And, just when you think he&#039;s reached the climax of the song, he swoops up again for that last, massive and utterly spine-tingling enunciation...An incomparable singer and craftsman at his zenith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few comments, yes, but it&#8217;s quality that counts and the ones here (along with Tom&#8217;s review of course) are superb.  One of the delights of Popular is how it makes you listen to a familiar song with fresh ears and, in many cases, realise that it&#8217;s even greater than you previously comprehended.  This is a perfect example &#8211; I&#8217;d consider myself a Big O fan and I always liked &#8220;It&#8217;s Over&#8221;, but it didn&#8217;t hold any higher place in my esteem than numerous other Orbisongs.  But I&#8217;ve just listened to it three times in a row to revelatory effect.  As Tom and thefatgit so eloquently articulate, it&#8217;s surely the high point of Orbison&#8217;s mastery of broken-heart balladry: drawing you in with its lush, dramatic arrangement and Roy&#8217;s polite, almost matter-of-fact despondency &#8211; as if he&#8217;s trying to tell himself that he can somehow adjust to this new life of emptiness &#8211; before building up to a total surrender to agony and despair.  And, just when you think he&#8217;s reached the climax of the song, he swoops up again for that last, massive and utterly spine-tingling enunciation&#8230;An incomparable singer and craftsman at his zenith.</p>
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		<title>Comment on THE ANIMALS &#8211; &#8220;House Of The Rising Sun&#8221; by inakamono</title>
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		<dc:creator>inakamono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with Rosie&#039;s comment from a few years ago, that this should have been the first &quot;10&quot; 

Listening to this today, there&#039;s something utterly compelling about it -- whereas with most of the 60s No.1s so far, where I can listen to the first half, think &#039;oh yes, I remember that,&#039; and move on, with this one I have to listen to it all the way through to the last chords, every time. It builds a momentum that captivates and addicts, which is exactly what the lyrical content is trying to express. In that sense, it&#039;s a perfect fusion of content and form -- commenting about addiction whilst also drawing the listener into that addiction, explaining it while also decrying it, sharing its attraction but at the same time warning you not to be attracted. And it never gives its secret away: is &#039;the House&#039; a brothel, or a gambling den, or a prison cell, or just a bar? It&#039;s up to each listener to identify their own addiction.

It also seems to me to be a watershed, a touchstone of the music of the 60s. There&#039;s a big difference between the Merseybeat/Beatlemania 60s that came before it and the psychedelic 60s that came after, and this is the single that stands at the crossroads, with elements of both --it&#039;s the first No.1 that crossed the bridge.

I can&#039;t think of a more deserving 10 than this, almost to the extent of finding your score of 6 insulting. I&#039;d be interested to know if you still hold with that rating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with Rosie&#8217;s comment from a few years ago, that this should have been the first &#8220;10&#8243; </p>
<p>Listening to this today, there&#8217;s something utterly compelling about it &#8212; whereas with most of the 60s No.1s so far, where I can listen to the first half, think &#8216;oh yes, I remember that,&#8217; and move on, with this one I have to listen to it all the way through to the last chords, every time. It builds a momentum that captivates and addicts, which is exactly what the lyrical content is trying to express. In that sense, it&#8217;s a perfect fusion of content and form &#8212; commenting about addiction whilst also drawing the listener into that addiction, explaining it while also decrying it, sharing its attraction but at the same time warning you not to be attracted. And it never gives its secret away: is &#8216;the House&#8217; a brothel, or a gambling den, or a prison cell, or just a bar? It&#8217;s up to each listener to identify their own addiction.</p>
<p>It also seems to me to be a watershed, a touchstone of the music of the 60s. There&#8217;s a big difference between the Merseybeat/Beatlemania 60s that came before it and the psychedelic 60s that came after, and this is the single that stands at the crossroads, with elements of both &#8211;it&#8217;s the first No.1 that crossed the bridge.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a more deserving 10 than this, almost to the extent of finding your score of 6 insulting. I&#8217;d be interested to know if you still hold with that rating.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Freaky Trigger by yadda</title>
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		<dc:creator>yadda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on BILLY OCEAN &#8211; &#8220;When The Going Gets Tough, The Tough Get Going&#8221; by Brooksie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooksie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ abaffledrepublic # 42: &quot;if you’d spent no more than a week on a kibbutz in 1986 you’d have missed Sigue Sigue Sputnik’s career&quot;

Sigue Sigue Sputnik had a career?! When did this happen?!

In the interests of pop accuracy, I have to point out that when people jump from this to &#039;Get Outta My Dreams&#039; in terms of Billy&#039;s big hits, they are inadvertently jumping over the US # 1 ballad (UK # 13) &#039;There&#039;ll be Sad Songs to Make You Cry&#039;. This stalled at # 2 in the US, but &#039;Sad Songs&#039; went 1 better. I believe there may have been a US top 10 hit after that, too, though I can&#039;t remember the name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ abaffledrepublic # 42: &#8220;if you’d spent no more than a week on a kibbutz in 1986 you’d have missed Sigue Sigue Sputnik’s career&#8221;</p>
<p>Sigue Sigue Sputnik had a career?! When did this happen?!</p>
<p>In the interests of pop accuracy, I have to point out that when people jump from this to &#8216;Get Outta My Dreams&#8217; in terms of Billy&#8217;s big hits, they are inadvertently jumping over the US # 1 ballad (UK # 13) &#8216;There&#8217;ll be Sad Songs to Make You Cry&#8217;. This stalled at # 2 in the US, but &#8216;Sad Songs&#8217; went 1 better. I believe there may have been a US top 10 hit after that, too, though I can&#8217;t remember the name.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A-HA &#8211; &#8220;The Sun Always Shines On TV&#8221; by Rory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@62, I agree that &quot;Manhattan Skyline&quot; was never going to bother the top 3, but it&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;fantastic&lt;/i&gt; song - one of their very best.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.listal.com/artist/magne-furuholmen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mags Furuholmen&lt;/a&gt; was only &quot;ok looking&quot;? Blimey, tough crowd. I&#039;d have said a-ha&#039;s 2:1 ratio compared very favourably to Duran&#039;s.

Having now caught up on a-ha&#039;s later output, I have to question the comparison with Duran on that score too. The band sound rather bitter in interviews about their record company forcing them to keep working with their original producer and sound for that third album when they were keen to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@62, I agree that &#8220;Manhattan Skyline&#8221; was never going to bother the top 3, but it&#8217;s a <i>fantastic</i> song &#8211; one of their very best.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.listal.com/artist/magne-furuholmen" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.listal.com/artist/magne-furuholmen?referer=');">Mags Furuholmen</a> was only &#8220;ok looking&#8221;? Blimey, tough crowd. I&#8217;d have said a-ha&#8217;s 2:1 ratio compared very favourably to Duran&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Having now caught up on a-ha&#8217;s later output, I have to question the comparison with Duran on that score too. The band sound rather bitter in interviews about their record company forcing them to keep working with their original producer and sound for that third album when they were keen to move on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HOW TO WRITE A BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN SONG : A I HATE MUSIC CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE SPECIAL by phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful satire, he says sarcastically. I mean, that pretty much describes any song that&#039;s &quot;about something&quot; as opposed to just boy band ramble.
Next time, aim for more specific references so as to truly bring your satire to life. This was simply belaboring the point that you don&#039;t like Springsteen -- which, incidentally, probably means you haven&#039;t listened enough to understand what you are trying to farce. Not that that should change your opinion, hate him all ya want, but it&#039;s kinda getting sad how many people &quot;publish&quot; trash talk online when they clearly haven&#039;t taken the time to form an educated opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful satire, he says sarcastically. I mean, that pretty much describes any song that&#8217;s &#8220;about something&#8221; as opposed to just boy band ramble.<br />
Next time, aim for more specific references so as to truly bring your satire to life. This was simply belaboring the point that you don&#8217;t like Springsteen &#8212; which, incidentally, probably means you haven&#8217;t listened enough to understand what you are trying to farce. Not that that should change your opinion, hate him all ya want, but it&#8217;s kinda getting sad how many people &#8220;publish&#8221; trash talk online when they clearly haven&#8217;t taken the time to form an educated opinion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A-HA &#8211; &#8220;The Sun Always Shines On TV&#8221; by Brooksie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooksie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always liked this. It sounds epic, but in a house of cards &#039;fragile&#039; way. It&#039;s clearly contrived to be emotional and over the top, but isn&#039;t all pop an attempt to market &#039;feelings&#039;, often at the cost of honesty?

A-ha at this point were the group gaining all the new girly fans, many of them were ex-Durannies jumping ship. You could practically &lt;I&gt;feel&lt;/I&gt; the posters of LeBon et al being torn down from the bedroom walls as their extended absence gained these new Euro pretty-boys much needed space to advance unhindered. Spandau too were losing fans. Wham! timed their breakup just right, as they were the only remaining members of the teenybopper three to strike back in late &#039;85 / early &#039;86, and by announcing their split, they set a closing date for their fans to cling to which worked like a charm. As a result, there was no loss of face or &#039;fans moving on&#039; for them.

A-ha were certainly more consistent (and better IMHO) than the other &#039;big&#039; new groups of the year - &#039;Five Star&#039; and &#039;Curiosity Killed the Cat&#039;. Both of whom would have short survival rates and little enduring fan appeal. But saying that, A-ha never really convinced in their position as popstars the way Duran did, there was very little seductive glamour. And they were easily as patchy a singles band as Duran (they were no Wham! in this regard). So even after a strong 1-2 punch, they tapered off, never again bothering the top 3 of the charts. Their follow-ups were good, with &#039;Hunting High and Low&#039; and &#039;Cry Wolf&#039; as standouts, but things like &#039;Train of Thought&#039;, &#039;I&#039;ve Been Losing You&#039; and &#039;Manhattan Skyline&#039; were never going to bother the top 3. Also, Duran always managed to add something new every now and then to show that they were attentive to what was going on, and at least somewhat progressive. A-ha never managed that (&#039;Living Daylights&#039;, while a fine song, lacks the punch of &#039;View to a Kill&#039; and owes more than a little to that songs &#039;orchestra crash&#039;). Their third album, while containing some good tunes (&#039;Stay On These Roads&#039;) was no more advanced than their first, and by then SAW were moving many units, so A-ha&#039;s time was done.

Also worth pointing out; while Duran had at the very least three worthy pin-up members, it seems that A-ha really only had one - Morten. Yes, the other two were ok looking, but as a band, they really only graced the bedroom walls because of Morten, unlike Duran and Wham! where the as-good-looking-as-a-model ratio was higher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always liked this. It sounds epic, but in a house of cards &#8216;fragile&#8217; way. It&#8217;s clearly contrived to be emotional and over the top, but isn&#8217;t all pop an attempt to market &#8216;feelings&#8217;, often at the cost of honesty?</p>
<p>A-ha at this point were the group gaining all the new girly fans, many of them were ex-Durannies jumping ship. You could practically <i>feel</i> the posters of LeBon et al being torn down from the bedroom walls as their extended absence gained these new Euro pretty-boys much needed space to advance unhindered. Spandau too were losing fans. Wham! timed their breakup just right, as they were the only remaining members of the teenybopper three to strike back in late &#8217;85 / early &#8217;86, and by announcing their split, they set a closing date for their fans to cling to which worked like a charm. As a result, there was no loss of face or &#8216;fans moving on&#8217; for them.</p>
<p>A-ha were certainly more consistent (and better IMHO) than the other &#8216;big&#8217; new groups of the year &#8211; &#8216;Five Star&#8217; and &#8216;Curiosity Killed the Cat&#8217;. Both of whom would have short survival rates and little enduring fan appeal. But saying that, A-ha never really convinced in their position as popstars the way Duran did, there was very little seductive glamour. And they were easily as patchy a singles band as Duran (they were no Wham! in this regard). So even after a strong 1-2 punch, they tapered off, never again bothering the top 3 of the charts. Their follow-ups were good, with &#8216;Hunting High and Low&#8217; and &#8216;Cry Wolf&#8217; as standouts, but things like &#8216;Train of Thought&#8217;, &#8216;I&#8217;ve Been Losing You&#8217; and &#8216;Manhattan Skyline&#8217; were never going to bother the top 3. Also, Duran always managed to add something new every now and then to show that they were attentive to what was going on, and at least somewhat progressive. A-ha never managed that (&#8216;Living Daylights&#8217;, while a fine song, lacks the punch of &#8216;View to a Kill&#8217; and owes more than a little to that songs &#8216;orchestra crash&#8217;). Their third album, while containing some good tunes (&#8216;Stay On These Roads&#8217;) was no more advanced than their first, and by then SAW were moving many units, so A-ha&#8217;s time was done.</p>
<p>Also worth pointing out; while Duran had at the very least three worthy pin-up members, it seems that A-ha really only had one &#8211; Morten. Yes, the other two were ok looking, but as a band, they really only graced the bedroom walls because of Morten, unlike Duran and Wham! where the as-good-looking-as-a-model ratio was higher.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MADONNA &#8211; &#8220;Who&#8217;s That Girl&#8221; by Richaod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richaod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13: I think she&#039;s incredibly emotive at her best, both as a songwriter and interpreter - Papa Don&#039;t Preach is the perfect example.

Perhaps further proof is the fact that there are virtually NO good Madonna covers - for example:

The original of Open Your Heart in Spanish - vocally hammy, production generic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kC5SwKycM4

Alizee&#039;s bored-to-tears take on La Isla Bonita, an inexplicable number-two hit in France: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZlgNj-rIxw

Hardly comprehensive, but in comparison Madonna&#039;s skill becomes much more obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13: I think she&#8217;s incredibly emotive at her best, both as a songwriter and interpreter &#8211; Papa Don&#8217;t Preach is the perfect example.</p>
<p>Perhaps further proof is the fact that there are virtually NO good Madonna covers &#8211; for example:</p>
<p>The original of Open Your Heart in Spanish &#8211; vocally hammy, production generic: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kC5SwKycM4" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kC5SwKycM4&amp;referer=');">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kC5SwKycM4</a></p>
<p>Alizee&#8217;s bored-to-tears take on La Isla Bonita, an inexplicable number-two hit in France: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZlgNj-rIxw" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZlgNj-rIxw&amp;referer=');">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZlgNj-rIxw</a></p>
<p>Hardly comprehensive, but in comparison Madonna&#8217;s skill becomes much more obvious.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaga Fug Yourself by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, I would disagree about The Knife, Daft Punk and Gorillaz not having a visual image, they just have openly artificial, non-sexual images. I don&#039;t think that detracts from the other points, if anything it probably fits slightly better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, I would disagree about The Knife, Daft Punk and Gorillaz not having a visual image, they just have openly artificial, non-sexual images. I don&#8217;t think that detracts from the other points, if anything it probably fits slightly better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaga Fug Yourself by Kat but logged out innit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat but logged out innit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7: To expand a little more, I would say Gaga and Rihanna are bending the rules by still relying heavily on visuals to successfully sell their product while making those visuals less &#039;attractive&#039;. Gaga in particular twists the normal titilation tropes of near-nudity/bondage gear to uncomfortable extremes (I&#039;m thinking of that leotard that was rather anatomically revealing and the police tape outfit that distorts and squashes her face into a murder victim pose). Compare to eg Britney&#039;s Toxic video where her near-nudity is presented as a smooth, glittery unthreatening doll, flattered by warm lighting and a come-hither expression. Gaga seems to be saying &quot;if you want to have sex with me then fine, but you&#039;ll have to be ok with me shouting the word &#039;VULVA&#039; to all your friends first&quot;.

Lindsay: her leggings are cause for weary sighs exactly because she is NOT being nonchalant about her clothes (she has her own fashion line!) and it still looks like she&#039;s just flung on whatever didn&#039;t smell of socks in the laundry basket. I never said GFY was a political project, it&#039;s more of an antidote to the barrage of abuse that famous women who diverge from the norm get from Heat magazine/Perez Hilton etc.

Re: closing line - I mainly wanted to make the Pink Panzer joke!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7: To expand a little more, I would say Gaga and Rihanna are bending the rules by still relying heavily on visuals to successfully sell their product while making those visuals less &#8216;attractive&#8217;. Gaga in particular twists the normal titilation tropes of near-nudity/bondage gear to uncomfortable extremes (I&#8217;m thinking of that leotard that was rather anatomically revealing and the police tape outfit that distorts and squashes her face into a murder victim pose). Compare to eg Britney&#8217;s Toxic video where her near-nudity is presented as a smooth, glittery unthreatening doll, flattered by warm lighting and a come-hither expression. Gaga seems to be saying &#8220;if you want to have sex with me then fine, but you&#8217;ll have to be ok with me shouting the word &#8216;VULVA&#8217; to all your friends first&#8221;.</p>
<p>Lindsay: her leggings are cause for weary sighs exactly because she is NOT being nonchalant about her clothes (she has her own fashion line!) and it still looks like she&#8217;s just flung on whatever didn&#8217;t smell of socks in the laundry basket. I never said GFY was a political project, it&#8217;s more of an antidote to the barrage of abuse that famous women who diverge from the norm get from Heat magazine/Perez Hilton etc.</p>
<p>Re: closing line &#8211; I mainly wanted to make the Pink Panzer joke!</p>
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		<title>Comment on MADONNA &#8211; &#8220;Who&#8217;s That Girl&#8221; by will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sound of Madonna coasting. Both the video and single have the look of a rushed, hastily thrown together package. 5 seems about right.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Gaga Fug Yourself by The Sunday Papers &#124; Rock, Paper, Shotgun</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Sunday Papers &#124; Rock, Paper, Shotgun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Freaky Trigger, Kat Steven writes about female image in pop in Gag Fug Yourself. I partially add this here for my own future [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The FT Top 100 Tracks Of All Time: 22, Joy Division – Love Will Tear Us Apart, and 21, Scooter – Ramp! (The Logical Song) by JP Bel</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Bel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf. i been following ur list and this entry is just total shit. Joy Division is great but wat the fuck is this scooter shit</description>
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		<title>Comment on Gaga Fug Yourself by swanstep</title>
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		<dc:creator>swanstep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me as not especially impressed. After a lot of meandering you state the obvious:
&lt;i&gt;But for a success-hungry popstar, it must be extraordinarily tempting to take advantage of the publicity that getting your real face on magazines, music videos, chat shows and yoghurt adverts can provide.&lt;/i&gt;
You then claim that there&#039;s a spectrum of nasty possibilities for women  who &#039;take the plunge&#039; of having any visual media presence whatsoever: insofar as they aren&#039;t (always) physically perfect they get attacked/ridiculed for that failure, and insofar as they approach physical perfection they are objectivized into wank material.

In sum, according to you, women who don&#039;t linger in non-visual, relative obscurity (i.e., be only marginally successful) get written off as mindless bimbos insofar as they are v. pretty, or mocked as dogs insofar as they aren&#039;t. According to you, it&#039;s as if there&#039;s something like the following, sexist scoring mechanism: sucessful women in show biz get scored x (/10) for looks and y (/10) for talent but, ha ha, the game is rigged so that y≤(10-.9x) [go &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ydgu9v7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for the simple graph].

So, how are Gaga, Rihanna et al. bending those alleged rules according to you?  Well, who knows really? Apparently it&#039;s supposed to be something about the clothes they wear. But god help them if one day they cross over that crucial, crucial boundary between &#039;wonderfully batshit’ and ‘DERE GOD NO HOW AWFUL’. And if they end up being as nonchalant about their clothes as, I dunno, Thom Yorke is? Well, that&#039;s the Lindsay Lohan &#039;same pair of ratty leggings&#039; contempt pile isn&#039;t it? [A bit close to the pretty -&gt; mindless bimbo sub-rule, no?]

I spent about 30 minutes at the FUG website and, honestly, its whole focus is on the very beautiful who have clothes budgets greater than Haiti&#039;s GNP, their triumphs, their follies and flops - talent is hardly in the picture. That&#039;s a perfectly fine focus to have, I guess, but claiming its got anything to do with a significant political project, seems to me to be deluded.

You close with:
&lt;i&gt;One day I hope that the ideal image of a female pop star is one triumphantly wearing giant Mickey Mouse ears astride a pink Panzer.&lt;/i&gt;
It&#039;s a fairly striking image, but I don&#039;t see that it deserves to be permanently enshrined above everything else. Seriously, why this over Lesley Feist in the 1234 vid. (my nieces&#039; first big pop song - they know her as the &#039;blue sparkle lady&#039;) if there *has* to be one image to rule them all? (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBMHnJqAvM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Siouxsie&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7HAvibdvc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aimee&lt;/a&gt; might have something useful to say about the whole idea of one such image.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me as not especially impressed. After a lot of meandering you state the obvious:<br />
<i>But for a success-hungry popstar, it must be extraordinarily tempting to take advantage of the publicity that getting your real face on magazines, music videos, chat shows and yoghurt adverts can provide.</i><br />
You then claim that there&#8217;s a spectrum of nasty possibilities for women  who &#8216;take the plunge&#8217; of having any visual media presence whatsoever: insofar as they aren&#8217;t (always) physically perfect they get attacked/ridiculed for that failure, and insofar as they approach physical perfection they are objectivized into wank material.</p>
<p>In sum, according to you, women who don&#8217;t linger in non-visual, relative obscurity (i.e., be only marginally successful) get written off as mindless bimbos insofar as they are v. pretty, or mocked as dogs insofar as they aren&#8217;t. According to you, it&#8217;s as if there&#8217;s something like the following, sexist scoring mechanism: sucessful women in show biz get scored x (/10) for looks and y (/10) for talent but, ha ha, the game is rigged so that y≤(10-.9x) [go <a href="http://tinyurl.com/ydgu9v7" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/tinyurl.com/ydgu9v7?referer=');">here</a> for the simple graph].</p>
<p>So, how are Gaga, Rihanna et al. bending those alleged rules according to you?  Well, who knows really? Apparently it&#8217;s supposed to be something about the clothes they wear. But god help them if one day they cross over that crucial, crucial boundary between &#8216;wonderfully batshit’ and ‘DERE GOD NO HOW AWFUL’. And if they end up being as nonchalant about their clothes as, I dunno, Thom Yorke is? Well, that&#8217;s the Lindsay Lohan &#8217;same pair of ratty leggings&#8217; contempt pile isn&#8217;t it? [A bit close to the pretty -&gt; mindless bimbo sub-rule, no?]</p>
<p>I spent about 30 minutes at the FUG website and, honestly, its whole focus is on the very beautiful who have clothes budgets greater than Haiti&#8217;s GNP, their triumphs, their follies and flops &#8211; talent is hardly in the picture. That&#8217;s a perfectly fine focus to have, I guess, but claiming its got anything to do with a significant political project, seems to me to be deluded.</p>
<p>You close with:<br />
<i>One day I hope that the ideal image of a female pop star is one triumphantly wearing giant Mickey Mouse ears astride a pink Panzer.</i><br />
It&#8217;s a fairly striking image, but I don&#8217;t see that it deserves to be permanently enshrined above everything else. Seriously, why this over Lesley Feist in the 1234 vid. (my nieces&#8217; first big pop song &#8211; they know her as the &#8216;blue sparkle lady&#8217;) if there *has* to be one image to rule them all? (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBMHnJqAvM" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBMHnJqAvM&amp;referer=');">Siouxsie</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7HAvibdvc" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7HAvibdvc&amp;referer=');">Aimee</a> might have something useful to say about the whole idea of one such image.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaga Fug Yourself by katstevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>katstevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re big fans of Bjork as well - she is definitely the proto-Gaga in terms of batshit imagery, more so than Madonna maybe? Madge would never wear a swan to the Oscars...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re big fans of Bjork as well &#8211; she is definitely the proto-Gaga in terms of batshit imagery, more so than Madonna maybe? Madge would never wear a swan to the Oscars&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Giant Rabbit Attack by angelina</title>
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		<dc:creator>angelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?? WHAT IS THAT ??</description>
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		<title>Comment on MADONNA &#8211; &#8220;Who&#8217;s That Girl&#8221; by lonepilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lonepilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind this so much - perhaps it&#039;s lack of familiarity makes it seem (marginally) fresher than LIB. 
The video is a mediocre mess of sentiment (kids) and movie marketing. What strikes me is how young Madonna appears.
As regards her movie career I once did a case study of Madonna&#039;s movies in a Film Studies class and came to the conclusion that her acting &#039;method&#039; consisted of getting a different hair style.

re17 As a Prince fan I went to see &#039;Under the Cherry Moon&#039; at the cinema when it came out but I suspect that even WTG would have more merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind this so much &#8211; perhaps it&#8217;s lack of familiarity makes it seem (marginally) fresher than LIB.<br />
The video is a mediocre mess of sentiment (kids) and movie marketing. What strikes me is how young Madonna appears.<br />
As regards her movie career I once did a case study of Madonna&#8217;s movies in a Film Studies class and came to the conclusion that her acting &#8216;method&#8217; consisted of getting a different hair style.</p>
<p>re17 As a Prince fan I went to see &#8216;Under the Cherry Moon&#8217; at the cinema when it came out but I suspect that even WTG would have more merit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaga Fug Yourself by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh OK cool - thanks for clarifying, yeah it seems very celebratory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh OK cool &#8211; thanks for clarifying, yeah it seems very celebratory!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gaga Fug Yourself by katstevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>katstevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fug Madness competition is a mixture of &#039;omg that is wonderfully batshit&#039; and &#039;DERE GOD NO HOW AWFUL&#039;. Tilda Swinton is seen as a superior goddess while eg Lindsey Lohan is constantly berated for always wearing the same pair of ratty leggings to v high profile posh events - who wins the &#039;worst dressed&#039; vote often equates to &#039;who do I want to see wearing more crazy outfits on the internet please&#039;. Their &lt;a href=&quot;http://gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/go_fug_yourself/cat_531/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rihanna archive&lt;/a&gt; is quite representative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fug Madness competition is a mixture of &#8216;omg that is wonderfully batshit&#8217; and &#8216;DERE GOD NO HOW AWFUL&#8217;. Tilda Swinton is seen as a superior goddess while eg Lindsey Lohan is constantly berated for always wearing the same pair of ratty leggings to v high profile posh events &#8211; who wins the &#8216;worst dressed&#8217; vote often equates to &#8216;who do I want to see wearing more crazy outfits on the internet please&#8217;. Their <a href="http://gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/go_fug_yourself/cat_531/" rel="nofollow" onclick="urchinTracker('/outgoing/gofugyourself.celebuzz.com/go_fug_yourself/cat_531/?referer=');">Rihanna archive</a> is quite representative.</p>
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